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Microsoft Delivers Secure China-Only Cut of Windows 10 (theregister.co.uk) 98

Earlier this week, CEO of Microsoft Greater China, Alain Crozier, told China Daily that the company is ready to roll out a version of Windows 10 with extra security features demanded by China's government. "We have already developed the first version of the Windows 10 government secure system. It has been tested by three large enterprise customers," Crozier said. The Register reports: China used Edward Snowden's revelations to question whether western technology products could compromise its security. Policy responses included source code reviews for foreign vendors and requiring Chinese buyers to shop from an approved list of products. Microsoft, IBM and Intel all refused to submit source code for inspection, but Redmond and Big Blue have found other ways to get their code into China. IBM's route is a partnership with Dalian Wanda to bring its cloud behind the Great Firewall. Microsoft last year revealed its intention to build a version of Windows 10 for Chinese government users in partnership with state-owned company China Electronics Technology Group Corp. There's no reason to believe Crozier's remarks are incorrect, because Microsoft has a massive incentive to deliver a version of Windows 10 that China's government will accept. To understand why, consider that China's military has over two million active service personnel, the nation's railways employ similar numbers and Microsoft's partner China Electronics Technology Group Corp has more than 140,000 people on its books. Not all of those are going to need Windows, but plenty will.
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Microsoft Delivers Secure China-Only Cut of Windows 10

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  • Secure by name (Score:5, Interesting)

    by manu0601 ( 2221348 ) on Friday March 24, 2017 @10:27PM (#54106569)

    They call it secure, but provide no information about security features. From TFA:

    The Register has asked Microsoft to explain the security features of Windows Red, but had not received a reply at the time of writing. You know the drill: we'll update this story if Microsoft sends any information.

    • Re:Secure by name (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Fire_Wraith ( 1460385 ) on Saturday March 25, 2017 @01:55AM (#54107157)
      China does have source code review rights, and are probably pretty concerned about anything that phones home to the USA.

      What I'll find really ironic, though, is if they just end up with the China version of Windows 10 stripping out all the privacy invasion and ad related crap. If that's the case, I might just have to see if I can get my hands on a Chinese copy of Win 10 instead.
  • ...the company is ready to roll out a version of Windows 10 with extra """""security features"""""

    FTFY.

  • Whoa! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Ol Olsoc ( 1175323 ) on Friday March 24, 2017 @10:45PM (#54106637)
    Full stop! We've had the Microsoft shills in here telling us that Microsoft isn't collecting data, that it's not an invasion of privacy, and that we aren't handing them the keys to the kingdom.

    So quickly shills, exapand on this. Tell us why there is no spying by Microsoft, yet despite no spying, they produced a version that doesn't spy less on us than the version that already doesn't spy on us. Inquiring minds want to know.

    • I'll bet you a dollar they changed where the keylogging and other spying information goes from Microsoft to the Chinese government, and changed the splash screens, and that's it.

    • by Megol ( 3135005 )

      "Score:5, Insightful" - yeah right. Way to not understand anything of the article...

      The rest of your post is so ludicrous I'll not take time to point out how you can't understand anything else either...

      • The rest of your post is so ludicrous I'll not take time to point out how you can't understand anything else either...

        I will take the time to point out that you took the time to point out how I cannot understand anything else, which you said you wouldn't take the time to do, but then did take the time to do. Do do

  • Large numbers law (Score:4, Insightful)

    by hcs_$reboot ( 1536101 ) on Friday March 24, 2017 @10:48PM (#54106649)
    China could ask Nadella whatever feature they want. 1+ billion potential users have their way..
  • by wvmarle ( 1070040 ) on Friday March 24, 2017 @10:53PM (#54106671)

    So let's take MS's claims of a more secure Windows at face value.

    This means two things. First of all, the Windows they released to the market is unnecessarily insecure, and MS knows that.

    Secondly, why would they only offer this enhanced security to the Chinese, and not to the rest of the world?

    All software ought to be as secure as possible. If there are security enhancements available, a vendor ought to roll them out to all their users. Here MS is failing in both: Windows can be (much) more secure than it is, and they're not releasing this improvement to the rest of their users.

    That, or MS is lying through their teeth to get into China. That may be possible, but while you can say a lot of bad things about the Chinese government, their people by and large are definitely not stupid so there has to be at least some weight to the claims of MS.

    • Do you want the more secure Windows 10 ?

      They you must make sure your goverment wants it too. So it can demand it.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Secondly, why would they only offer this enhanced security to the Chinese, and not to the rest of the world?

      They bothered to ask. They demanded not to be spied on and voted with their wallets. We on the other hand are all convinced Big Brother only has our best interests at heart, so we accept his surveillance like sheep.

      Jesus, I remember when we'd mock the great firewall... Post snowden it just seems like genius: block American spyware like Facebook and Google while stimulating the Chinese economy as y

    • the Windows they released to the market is unnecessarily insecure, and MS knows that.

      Given the amount of noise made over W10's telemetry, everybody knows that, at least on /. To me the conclusion is obvious: W10 Red has telemetry disabled.

  • *facepalm* (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Gravis Zero ( 934156 ) on Friday March 24, 2017 @11:52PM (#54106855)

    You know, if anyone was going to ditch Windows because of secret backdoors, I figured it would have been the Chinese government. Besides, isn't Linux the ideal model for communism? I know they are communists in name only but you would figure they would at least try to keep up the appearance of objecting to capitalism.

  • by williamyf ( 227051 ) on Saturday March 25, 2017 @02:44AM (#54107229)

    ... here:

    https://arstechnica.com/inform... [arstechnica.com]

    Especulates that:

      ***The custom version developed under the joint venture is essentially a custom image of Windows 10 at its core, with a set of policy settings hard-coded for government users. It's not clear if additional code is being added to the image.***

    So, they changed some Registry Keys and Group Policies, and you do not have to play wack-a-mole every time an update comes...

    Also, please remember that:

    *** The Chinese government, like the US government, has been permitted source code review for security purposes in a secured lab at Microsoft's China Information Technology Security Certification Center in Beijing since 2003.***

    So, most likely, the chinese already reviewed the telemerty and deemed it non threathening (or negotiated with microsoft to get a copy of it ;-) ).

    But5 at this point, all is especulation, only time will tell...

  • "Microsoft" and "secure" in one sentence.
  • Have they considered that unless they trust the compiler, they can't trust that the final product will do what the source code says? What if they are given the source to the compiler, how are they going to trust the compiler they use to compile that? I suppose they could move to an open source compiler, which maybe can be trusted, but of course they won't, they'll use Microsoft's compiler won't they. And if the NSA was really deeply embedded in MS, they could have this all stitched up so that the source co

  • Way to go, Microsnot. Consider yourself middle-fingered.
  • "...the company is ready to roll out a version of Windows 10 with extra security features demanded by China's government."

    TRANSLATION:

    "...the company is ready to roll out a version of Windows 10 with extra spying features demanded by China's government."

  • Earlier this week, CEO of Microsoft Greater China, Alain Crozier, told China Daily that the company is ready to roll out a version of Windows 10 with extra security features demanded by China's government.

    It should come with a Dalai Lama desktop pic that can't be changed. Or maybe a rotation with the Tianammen square guy and the tanks. Yeah, that's it.

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