Your Face Is, or Will Be, Your Boarding Pass (nytimes.com) 144
Tech-driven changes are coming fast and furiously to airports, including advancements in biometrics that verify identity and shorten security procedures for those passengers who opt into the programs. From a report: If it's been a year or more since you traveled, particularly internationally, you may notice something different at airports in the United States: More steps -- from checking a bag to clearing customs -- are being automated using biometrics. Biometrics are unique individual traits, such as fingerprints, that can be used to automate and verify identity. They promise both more security and efficiency in moving travelers through an airport where, at steps from check-in to boarding, passengers are normally required to show government-issued photo identification. In the travel hiatus caused by the pandemic, many airports, airlines, tech companies and government agencies like the Transportation Security Administration and United States Customs and Border Protection continued to invest in biometric advancements. The need for social distancing and contactless interactions only added to the urgency.
"The technologies have gotten much more sophisticated and the accuracy rate much higher," said Robert Tappan, the managing director for the trade group International Biometrics + Identity Association, who called the impetus to ease crowds and reduce contact through these instruments "COVID-accelerated." Many of the latest biometric developments use facial recognition, which the National Institute of Standards and Technology recently found is at least 99.5 percent accurate, rather than iris-scanning or fingerprints. "Iris-scanning has been touted as the most foolproof," said Sherry Stein, the head of technology in the Americas for SITA, a Switzerland-based biometrics tech company. "For biometrics to work, you have to be able to match to a known trusted source of data because you're trying to compare it to a record on file. The face is the easiest because all the documents we use that prove your identity -- driver's licenses, passports etc. -- rely on face." Shortly after 9/11, Congress mandated an entry and exit system using biometric technology to secure U.S. borders. Some travelers have expressed concerns about privacy, and while companies and agencies using the technology say they do not retain the images, the systems largely rely on willing travelers who agree to their use.
"The technologies have gotten much more sophisticated and the accuracy rate much higher," said Robert Tappan, the managing director for the trade group International Biometrics + Identity Association, who called the impetus to ease crowds and reduce contact through these instruments "COVID-accelerated." Many of the latest biometric developments use facial recognition, which the National Institute of Standards and Technology recently found is at least 99.5 percent accurate, rather than iris-scanning or fingerprints. "Iris-scanning has been touted as the most foolproof," said Sherry Stein, the head of technology in the Americas for SITA, a Switzerland-based biometrics tech company. "For biometrics to work, you have to be able to match to a known trusted source of data because you're trying to compare it to a record on file. The face is the easiest because all the documents we use that prove your identity -- driver's licenses, passports etc. -- rely on face." Shortly after 9/11, Congress mandated an entry and exit system using biometric technology to secure U.S. borders. Some travelers have expressed concerns about privacy, and while companies and agencies using the technology say they do not retain the images, the systems largely rely on willing travelers who agree to their use.
A scary idea. (Score:2)
Oh, this is terrible. Ugly people will be locked out of the system.
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Oh, this is terrible. Ugly people will be locked out of the system.
The opposite is true. Ugly people tend to have asymmetrical faces with discoloration, blemishes, or other imperfections that make their faces easier to identify.
As an ugly person, I approve of this technology.
Re: A scary idea. (Score:4, Funny)
Can it be used for seat assignment matching? Maybe pay extra to sit next to the top tier hot?
Re:A scary idea. (Score:5, Interesting)
What are they going to do with identical twins though?
Re: A scary idea. (Score:2)
What is it going to say you too ugly to board, sir.
so will this fix the BIG fees to fix an name typo? (Score:2)
so will this fix the BIG fees to fix an name typo?
Oh you mean like now? (Score:2)
When I have to show a photo id to the tsa screener along with my boarding pass?
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Well, to be fair it is a "little" different, in that it is a human taking a look at the analog pic on the card...not entering into or going against a large government maintained database that can be used for God knows what.
I put tape across the parts of the back of my DL so that it cannot be scanned, so that helps block that.
Last time, they did try to scan it and I told them that wouldn't work and they shrugged and just looked
Re: Oh you mean like now? (Score:2)
Yeah. It's just the airline that has you on the manifest. You're totally sticking it to the man by declining to let a law enforcement officer scan your government issued id card to verify that you're the same you that bought a plane ticket under your own name.
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Oh, I'm not saying that.
I am saying, I'm trying to do what little I can to keep my information off systems.
I know a ton of companies out there have info on me, but I try to NOT make it easy and voluntarily give them my info.
I don't fill out custome
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They're scanning it to see if it's fake. Nobody cares how many cases of Coors Light you're buying weekly.
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I'm guessing it isn't too beyond the pale, to guess that insurance companies would love to buy customer purchase information, to see if you're buying smokes, alcohol or unhealthy foods....if you go into bars, etc in order to use that data to enhance their actuary files on all of us.
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Well, for one thing, I don't have a passport.
I had one decades back when I was 16yrs and went to Europe for a couple weeks with my parents, but I've not needed one since then.
I guess I could ask the US Passport folks to re-issue?
I've not had any reason to get a passport. I'd not thought of using one as ID.
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It's proof of identity and citizenship rolled into one document. Got mine at 18 and I've maintained it over the years. The old policy of letting US residents through to Canada, Mexico, and most of the Caribbean with birth certificate only (if that; back in the 90s I went through Canada a few times with "yeah, I'm a US citizen") is dead.
FWIW. If you have a clea
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And with all the crap going on in Mexico with drug cartels...I don't really see myself leaving the US any time soon....
So, I really don't have a need for one.
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I think it was in place when I flew out of Logan Airport in Boston a few weeks ago. There was all the standard TSA screening where they wanted an ID, but at the gate you didn't have to show a boarding pass, you just stood in front of these little gates with a screen and camera which opened and you could go onto the plane.
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Small airports are expensive and don't have a lot of options for intermediate destinations. But you can get away with minor violations of the rules
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Yeah, uh huh... (Score:2, Insightful)
"Shortly after 9/11, Congress mandated an entry and exit system using biometric technology to secure U.S. borders."
You have to WANT to secure your border and, considering what's happening on the southern US border, elected officials don't.
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Not entirely correct.
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2021/... [dhs.gov]
To prevent the spread of COVID-19, CBP (US Customs & Border Patrol) implemented temporary travel restrictions on March 20, 2020, which limited travel at land POEs along the U.S. northern and southern borders to essential travel, including travel for lawful trade, emergency response, and public health purposes. Individuals engaged in essential travel will not be required to be vaccinated for COVID-19 at this time. Starting in January 2022, however, all inbound foreign national travelers seeking to enter the United States via land POEs or ferry terminals – whether for essential or non-essential reasons – must be fully vaccinated for COVID-19 and provide related proof of vaccination.
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I was referring to our less than legal "visitors" that have been pouring over the border these past years.
They seem to get a pass on the vaccine or testing thing that fully legal visitors and immigrants don't get.
I'll believe we're serious about keeping the illegals out when they start handing out 5 year mandatory minimum sentences without parole per illegal to the owners of businesses that hire the illegals.
Problem would go away pretty quickly
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I was referring to our less than legal "visitors" that have been pouring over the border these past years.
They seem to get a pass on the vaccine or testing thing that fully legal visitors and immigrants don't get.
I'll believe we're serious about keeping the illegals out when they start handing out 5 year mandatory minimum sentences without parole per illegal to the owners of businesses that hire the illegals.
Problem would go away pretty quickly
To make it go away even faster, offer green cards to any illegals who rat out their bosses. Odds are you wouldn't have to even do it, just announce the policy and watch all of the employers of illegals fire them immediately.
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I have to say that illegal immigration doesn't bother me one bit ... it's at the bottom of my list of priorities.
Same here. But I do wish we'd take this simple action to pretty much end it, just to remove the issue from the national dialogue.
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I don't. Fuck the nation and fuck the dialogue. Fuck the carceral state as well.
So you vote for the status quo. Got it.
Automated photo comparison (Score:2)
Before: Show your passport to border agent. Agent compares your face to photo on passport.
Now: Show your passport to border machine. Machine compares your face to photo on passport.
Oh, and airlines won't give you an actually physical boarding pass anymore. Just hold onto your passport same as before. I'm a bit confused though - Why do the airlines need to have a copy of your photo/scan too?
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I fly more than a fair amount, prefer to use the apps exclusively, but I am not going to argue if they upgrade / move my seat for whatever reason. It usually shows up in the app but if its a last minute upgrade they give me the paper just in case
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I've never been denied a paper boarding pass. I use the digital ones all the time, but always ask for paper as a back up in case I get bored and drain my phone battery accidentally, never been told no.
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Paper boarding passes do not break if they are dropped, that is my reason anyway for using paper ones.
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Well, when I fly, I either print mine out at home, or I have them print me on when I check in at the counter, I've not had a problem with that yet.
And I just use my drivers license with tape on the back so the back can't be scanned. I've not had a passport since the dark ages when I was 16yrs old
BIPOC (Score:2)
I once read an article that described a particular facial recognition package that struggled to accurately identify BIPOC faces, therefore any system that employs and form of facial recognition is by definition racist and is intended to limit/prevent participation of BIPOC people in air travel.
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I once read an article that described a particular facial recognition package that struggled to accurately identify BIPOC faces, therefore any system that employs and form of facial recognition is by definition racist and is intended to limit/prevent participation of BIPOC people in air travel.
You're obviously trolling but that's actually a valid concern/criticism.
The accuracy is "99.5%" but for who knows what population (the article is paywalled). For standard algorithms dark skinned women can have 20-30% lower accuracy than light skinned males [harvard.edu]. Does that mean the accuracy for this system is 90%? 80% 70%?
It's not that it "is intended to limit/prevent participation of BIPOC people in air travel". But would this system be deployed if the accuracy rates for white males were the same as they are for
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To be fair, its white males people are usually afraid of on airplanes. No one is worried about black female terrorists. 99.9% of all "airline" related terrorists to date have been white males.
Assurance (Score:2)
The problem with this stuff is that there are no standards around it. We still don't have meaningful privacy regulations at the federal level. We can't go a week on slashdot with a story about how the federal government is *totally* going to get it's shit together with regards to cybersecurity this time.
People don't feel confident in this stuff because there is absolutely no reason whatsoever for them to feel confident in it.
I think Star Trek is the dream here - seamless integration, portable preferences
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will my voice be my passport?
Just remember (Score:2)
The lead hijackers were all in this country under their own names. Mohammad Atta was on the DOJ's watch list of suspectedt terrorists and got in on a visa, a visa which he then overstayed and wasn't sent home.
There were reports of people learning to fly planes, but not take off or land, and those reports weren't followed up.
But yeah, ol' miss Johnson down the street needs to have facial scan, retina scan, fingerprints and proctology exam to get on a plane to see her grandson Jimmy.
So long as the U.S. gover
Normal in Australia since 2007 (Score:2)
Did it to me a week ago (Score:4, Interesting)
This happened to me when I was boarding a flight a week or so ago. They pointed a camera at me and in about a half-second the machine beeped and spit out a boarding pass with my seat number and name on it, No one asked to see the paper boarding pass I was holding in my hand. It was very disquieting. I would prefer that my face not be in a database like this. I am not even sure where the database was or who it belonged to. The airline has never taken my photo (until this).
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Right (Score:2)
>"while companies and agencies using the technology say they do not retain the images,"
Yeah right.
We (the peons being subjected to it) have no way to know that, prove that, or verify that. Data that is collected is data that can be abused.
Sorry but... (Score:2)
My mandatory mask is covering my boarding pass.
It's a good thing I stopped flying... (Score:2)
... since the summer of 1993.
Can you opt out? (Score:2)
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Different from China ... how? (Score:2)
So the deployment of real-time facial recognition software in China is condemned.
But same thing in the West is not.
You can quibble about the wording or the nuances of the difference between this and what's happening in China (and several other countries ... but you would be fooling yourself.
I'm fine with this (Score:2)
I'm fine with this. The government already has your picture multiple ways, so does the airport on dozens of cameras, and the TSA agent who looks at (and possibly scans) your ID. This is just a modern convenience of them identifying you in an airport. It makes the process faster for everyone.
I have Global Entry, which involved an interview and background check, and my crossing the border into the US is now: Exit plane, walk towards immigration, stop at kiosk which only takes my picture.and gives me a receipt
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It's been 20 years without another terrorist attack on U.S. soil.
Do you think that's because they didn't want to?
Re:9/11 (Score:4, Insightful)
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Even if we had a 9/11 every year, it would only be a few thousand deaths ... not worth spending $500 billion a year on war
If the USA + The West spent that $500B on food aid and education you'd prevent the thousand deaths AND save the lives of American soliders.
It's pretty difficult for a warlord or corrupt imam to convince people around him that the USA is The Great Satan if people are feeding their starving families with bags of rice and other food with the Stars and Stripes printed on them.
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food aid and education
Handing out food fosters dependency. Falling food prices increase rural poverty. Bankrupt farmers migrate to urban slums, where they are a recruiting pool for extremists.
But education is a good idea.
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This whole episode and the next one are really educational about the gulf in the ground-level reality for kids and young adults in North Korea.
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Would you let somebody kill one of your kids if they paid you 150 billion dollars first?
No?
Good. Then it's settled. Human life does not equate to monetary worth.
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A person is valued anywhere between $1 million to $24.5 million, by the US government.
> https://www.bloomberg.com/grap... [bloomberg.com]
https://www.epa.gov/sites/defa... [epa.gov]
You may want to start your calculations from there...
Re: 9/11 (Score:3)
Boston marathon
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Literally the one thing we had to do, everything else was theater
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They did bag matching well before 9/11 ... I remember flying in the early 90s (post Lockerbie) in Europe. Someone didn't check in for the flight after checking their bags in Warsaw, so they unloaded the baggage cart onto the tarmac and made everyone claim their bags before walking up the airstair.
Also, bag matching only works if the terrorist isn't a suicidalist as well.
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Because it was that hardened cockpit door that enabled at least two, maybe three, pilots to commit suicide by controlled flight into terrain, taking their passengers with them. Once you take that into consideration, well, maybe the risk mitigation assessment of that measure needs to change a bit.
This is why at least in the U.S., AFAIK the standard procedure is for a second person to be in the cockpit at all times. If the pilot or copilot steps out to use the bathroom or whatever, a flight attendant takes his or her place. That not only reduces the likelihood of deliberate CFIT, but also means that if the person flying the plane collapses of a heart attack, someone will be able to open the door to let the other pilot back in.
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Pilot having a heart attack is actually not a major risk, even with one person on the flight desk. Flight attendants have a code to the flight deck door ... once the code is entered, pilot can choose to allow entry, do nothing, or deny entry by flipping a switch or turning a dial. If the pilot does nothing, the door automatically unlocks after a time delay of 30-60 seconds. It's thus designed to "fail safe" if a "dead man switch" condition isn't fulfilled, not "fail deadly."
Whether that's good enough depends on whether autopilot is engaged or not, and on whether the pilot collapses on the steering yoke or side-stick or whatever.
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Is there any reason why an A320 should need to ever dive at more than (say) a 30 degree angle? Why not put a dive angle limit into the FBW control system?
Depressurization requires som pretty swift dropping.
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Re:9/11 (Score:4, Insightful)
The only terrorism that has happened within the past couple of decades in the USA was on Jan 6 2021.
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... Now that we have rolled back our military's homicide sprees, we should be looking at restoring privacy and dignity.
When you cede things like that to the powerful you almost never get them back. Power is addictive and changes the perceptions and attitudes of those who hold it [lse.ac.uk]. So in the absence of a revolution, the privacy and dignity you speak of probably aren't returning any time soon.
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... Now that we have rolled back our military's homicide sprees, we should be looking at restoring privacy and dignity.
When you cede things like that to the powerful you almost never get them back. Power is addictive and changes the perceptions and attitudes of those who hold it [lse.ac.uk]. So in the absence of a revolution, the privacy and dignity you speak of probably aren't returning any time soon.
Are you by chance a sovereign citizen?
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do they ask you for your weight?
https://brobible.com/culture/a... [brobible.com]
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We fly private, what's a boarding card?
Is that on your private island which you never leave?
Re: Speak for yourself, buster (Score:3)
Oh, what privates do you ride on?
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Re:Fascinating to us old-timers (Score:4, Insightful)
That ended not so much for security reasons as to keep people from scalping airline tickets.
Re:So glad I'm done with traveling (Score:4, Insightful)
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Yeah, because your face doesn't get scanned many times per day by closed-circuit security cameras, people taking photos with phones, people looking at you, etc.
Seriously, what's the difference between this, and the guy at the TSA checkpoint looking at you, and comparing to the shitty photo on your government issued ID card?
There's legitimate privacy concerns based on how this gets done, but a general "you're not going to scan my face lol" is about the dumbest thing I can think of on this topic.
Re: So glad I'm done with traveling (Score:2)
Seriously, what's the difference between this, and the guy at the TSA checkpoint looking at you, and comparing to the shitty photo on your government issued ID card?
If you honestly can't tell the difference between a private entity owning biometrical information of you, and a person comparing photo and face using his own eyes, you need to hand in your geek card.
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If you don't understand "opt-in" then you should probably read the article again. A few times.
Re: So glad I'm done with traveling (Score:2)
Irrelevant. You weren't talking about opt-in when I replied, you were equating biometric ID with the TSA guy.
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Which is totally irrelevant if you haven't opted in to using a biometric boarding pass, which is what the god damn article is about. Do we need to do another lap around the circle?
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Yeah, because your face doesn't get scanned many times per day by closed-circuit security cameras, people taking photos with phones, people looking at you, etc.
Seriously, what's the difference between this, and the guy at the TSA checkpoint looking at you, and comparing to the shitty photo on your government issued ID card?
There's legitimate privacy concerns based on how this gets done, but a general "you're not going to scan my face lol" is about the dumbest thing I can think of on this topic.
Isn't it a case of Opting out or in? I do facial recognition on my new phone, and it works great. My employer has my picture, Some other agencies have my picture as well.
Some pretty serious paranoia going on for some folks. We live in a world where a lot of people take nonstop selfies as their narcissism manifests, and on the other end are Slashdotters who apparently think if their image is taken, the NSA, CIA, FBI, and all the worldwide security agencies will drone slap them, then napalm their home and
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Yeah, because that face scan at the gate is just one step too far, after already being imaged tens of times since stepping into the airport on CCTV, presenting a government-issued ID card to the check-in counter if checking bags, presenting ID to the TSA guy for him to "scan" your face with his eyeballs and compare, or having all your possessions x-rayed and getting a dose yourself from the millimeter-wave porn scanner; and there's absolutely no way that the airlines would share the passenger manifest with
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Irony is that one of those shows called Black Mirror shows pretty well where we're headed... Or in many cases, where we are at this point.
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Don't worry, next year they'll be scanning your genitals instead. This will streamline the entire security check and allow them to get rid of the minimum-wage gropers they're currently employing for that.
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Just use the Face/Off machine [youtube.com]...
Re: Won't work (Score:3)
Seating will be assigned based on pay and hotness. If you want to sit with hot you have to either pay extra or be actual hot. Also if you are hot, you can pay extra to not be sat next to someone who is not. Definitely a unicorn level business plan.
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"That's a feature of the system! No more heroin-chic wannabe models putting their crusty toes on your armrest."
On a plane, that's better than the usual fat fuck seating beside AND in front of you with his lats.
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