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Government Privacy Watchdog Under Pressure To Recommend Facial Recognition Ban (thehill.com) 31

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Hill: The Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board (PCLOB), an independent agency, is coming under increasing pressure to recommend the federal government stop using facial recognition. Forty groups, led by the Electronic Privacy Information Center, sent a letter Monday to the agency calling for the suspension of facial recognition systems "pending further review." "The rapid and unregulated deployment of facial recognition poses a direct threat to 'the precious liberties that are vital to our way of life,'" the advocacy groups wrote.

The PCLOB "has a unique responsibility, set out in statute, to assess technologies and polices that impact the privacy of Americans after 9-11 and to make recommendations to the President and executive branch," they wrote. The agency, created in 2004, advises the administration on privacy issues. The letter cited a recent New York Times report about Clearview AI, a company which claims to have a database of more than 3 billion photos and is reportedly collaborating with hundreds of police departments. It also mentioned a study by the National Institute of Standards and Technology, part of the Commerce Department, which found that the majority of facial recognition systems have "demographic differentials" that can worsen their accuracy based on a person's age, gender or race.

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Government Privacy Watchdog Under Pressure To Recommend Facial Recognition Ban

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  • by 110010001000 ( 697113 ) on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @09:14AM (#59663954) Homepage Journal

    So now if I see someone I know on the street I have to pretend I don't know them? Damn Government.

    • Nah, you are still allowed to recognize her by her legs, the bottom of her back, breast, the way she walks, etc. Oh wait! I forgot I was on Slashdot for a moment, sorry...

      • by anegg ( 1390659 )
        If facial recognition is going to be banned, morphology matching and gait recognition can't be far behind.
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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @09:23AM (#59663970)
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    • It's probably a losing battle. The first time a known terrorist or wanted criminal took a AR-15 or suicide vest into a crowded park or school playground and let loose, everyone would be demanding facial recognition to prevent future attacks.
    • by dkman ( 863999 )

      The problem isn't the technology, but how it's used. If a face flags as a "suspected match" that's how it should be treated. But instead everyone seems to think that a suspected match is an absolute match and it can't possibly be a false positive.

      It should be thought of as "person X might have been here at this time because his face was recognized by the system".

      Having cops show up and talk to a guy is acceptable. Having the swat team rain down and tackle a guy is not.

      Facial recognition is not at the poi

      • by mi ( 197448 )

        everyone seems to think that a suspected match is an absolute match

        Is that so? I'm yet to meet a person, who's expressed this view in earnest. Do you have evidence to support this claim of yours?

      • by anegg ( 1390659 )

        I agree that the problem isn't necessarily the technology, but how it is used; my example differs from yours, though. Using it to find a wanted person in crowds is one thing (possibly a good thing). Using it like license plate readers to build up a database of every place every recognizable person is spotted, which then turns into a giant tracking system a la the TV show "Person of Interest" is what bothers me. Like what has happened with "license plate readers." Given the path blazed by the license pla

  • by DaveV1.0 ( 203135 ) on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @09:28AM (#59663976) Journal

    How dare you train a computer to recognize people IN PUBLIC!!1!!eleven!!1! That is a violation of their PRIVACY which they really don't have IN PUBLIC.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Even in public you have some expectation of privacy. You are mostly anonymous except to a small number of people you encounter who happen to know you, for example.

      • by mi ( 197448 )

        Even in public you have some expectation of privacy.

        If you do, your expectation is baseless and otherwise misguided.

        You are mostly anonymous except to a small number of people you encounter who happen to know you, for example.

        Such as a police officer, right?

        Police have always been able to track anyone — it was sheer numbers, that kept them from tracking everyone. The technology is changing that equation.

        Whether these advances are something to lament or celebrate depends purely on whether you trust you

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          Actually in the UK you don't have to give the police your name or show them any ID (in fact the UK doesn't have a national ID document anyway) unless they have reason to suspect you are involved in a crime. If they do have reason they have to give it to you and put it in writing if requested so lying risks you being able to sue for harassment.

          • by mi ( 197448 )

            You are mostly anonymous except to a small number of people you encounter who happen to know you, for example.

            You do realize, this is irrelevant to both the topic at large, and to the subthread you started (expectation of privacy in public), do you not?

            • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

              Not being identified is an aspect of privacy. Anonymity enhances privacy.

              By the way, there are climate protests in China. You might want to update your sig.

              https://www.theguardian.com/wo... [theguardian.com]

              • by mi ( 197448 )

                Not being identified is an aspect of privacy.

                Once again, irrelevant. That police cannot demand your papers, does not prevent them from recognizing your face.

                By the way, there are climate protests in China

                Maybe, they have them, but there is no need for them...

              • And, when one is in public has any reason to expect privacy. You are IN PUBLIC, you are not in private! Keep your privacy out of our public!
  • by tflf ( 4410717 ) on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @09:34AM (#59663992)

    Instituting a ban, while attractive, would be nearly impossible to enforce, because the largest group of current users (by far) are governments. Add in the explosion in non-government usage, and the opposition to a ban would be too strident, well financed and powerful to overcome.
        Given how widespread the technology has already become, and the growing demand for cheaper and better to "enhance security" for everything from schools to retailers to transit to private properties, discussion may be fruitful, but, the resulting legislation will likely will be very weak, and largely ineffective.

    • by cusco ( 717999 )

      This cat is not going back in the bag.

      Even if installation by governments is somehow banned they're still allowed to purchase the data stream from private companies, the same as they do for other data.

  • by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @09:39AM (#59664004)
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  • by vakuona ( 788200 ) on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @09:42AM (#59664014)

    As far as I am aware, the techniques used for facial recognition are quite "generic" is tuned in specific applications for facial recognition.

    So while this stops government, it would be difficult if nigh on impossible to stop private uses of facial recognition, including in public. Might as well ban all CCTV because all the ban achieves is to make it expensive to identify people recorded on CCTV cheaply.

    I guess there is an argument that the presence of a cheap method of identifying individuals may encourage even more proliferation of CCTV, particularly by the government. However, I don't think this will be enforceable on private individuals / organisations, and therefore is probably a bad idea,

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