Seoul To Install AI Cameras For Crime Detection (zdnet.com) 35
An anonymous reader quotes a report from ZDNet: Cameras with artificial intelligence (AI) software that the South Korean government claims can detect the likelihood of crime will be installed in Seoul within the year. The Seocho District of South Korea's capital and Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute (ERTI), a national research institute, said they will install 3,000 cameras at the district by July. The cameras will use AI software that processes the location, time, and behavior patterns of passersby to measure the likelihood of a crime taking place.
The cameras will automatically measure whether somebody is walking normally or tailing someone. It will also detect what passersby are wearing -- such as hats, masks, or glasses -- and what they are carrying with them such as bags or dangerous objects that have a strong possibility of being used to commit a crime. The cameras will also consider whether it is day or night. They will use this information to deduce the probability that a crime will take place, they claim. If the rate exceeds a certain rate, the cameras will alert the district office and nearby police stations to send personnel to the location. Going forward, Seocho and ETRI plan to analyze 20,000 court sentencing documents and crime footage to deduce crime patterns for the AI software to memorize.
The cameras will automatically measure whether somebody is walking normally or tailing someone. It will also detect what passersby are wearing -- such as hats, masks, or glasses -- and what they are carrying with them such as bags or dangerous objects that have a strong possibility of being used to commit a crime. The cameras will also consider whether it is day or night. They will use this information to deduce the probability that a crime will take place, they claim. If the rate exceeds a certain rate, the cameras will alert the district office and nearby police stations to send personnel to the location. Going forward, Seocho and ETRI plan to analyze 20,000 court sentencing documents and crime footage to deduce crime patterns for the AI software to memorize.
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Every time i read news like this... I think to myself.. "step closer to going `off-grid`... ".
Now while writing this... I'm thinking.. does that still exists, and is it still "legal" ?
In this screwed up world, I wouldn't be surprised if i got arrested for even thinking about things like this. Or maybe my children will, if this surveillance & control trend continues
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Re "terrorist nonsense"...
Decades of NK action was not "nonsense"
Re "none will be solved by this technology"... every face as a digital file in SK would be a start as a new face from NK would not "fit" any created history of that person.
Re "surveillance"... SK needs a lot of that due to the decades of direct action by Communist NK...
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Apparently you don't understand what the OP is saying. The cameras will not stop purse snatching; yet, they are being sold as a solution to purse snatching. See the problem? See your own sig for crying out loud.
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Re 'yet, they are being sold as a solution to purse snatching"... lets see how it works out and the police numbers.
Link that to some criminals identity card... got the face as a citizen? Face not on file... ? That becomes interesting.
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This whole thing would be shot down as racist in some US States since some people cannot get legal documents already, or they live in a neighborhood that they don't "have access" to an office to apply for such documentation (the DMV).
Stop trying to profile our undocumented workers and registered voters who don't have a driver's license!
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Not every nation works like that with a national ID card, passport images...
They count every citizen and ensure every passport is seen "in" and "out" of the nation...
People who enter and dont exit on the same passport on time are quickly found...
Re "petty crimes like purse snatching
Its not "petty" to the person who has to prove their ID after a purse snatching...
Why would any criminal act like that be "petty"?
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Nope - because police departments around the world are understaffed and underfunded
Bullcrap. America is an example of a country that is over-policed and the police are over-funded.
Crime rates have fallen by half since the early 1990s, yet America has more police than ever. Since there isn't enough real crime to keep them busy, they spend their money on military equipment and assault vehicles. They lobby for more and more criminalization of personal behavior.
More police means more arrests and more incarceration, but that often leads to more crime, since jails and prisons are often crime
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Re "will not stop purse snatching"... the person doing the crime can be tracked... their face detected... making purse snatching a crime with a real risk...
Nope. Does not really work well with people not trying to prevent being identified, and after a few weeks every purse-snatcher will know what to do in order to not be identifiable at all.
Re 'yet, they are being sold as a solution to purse snatching"... lets see how it works out and the police numbers.
Are you serious? You seem to be unaware that numbers in these cases get doctored and that the cameras will stay regardless of what effect they have on purse-snatching. Incidentally, the police does not care about purse-snatching in most cases and that is the actual problem. No amount of cameras will make any difference here
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Re "cases get doctored"
Re "police does not care about purse-snatching"
Re "No amount of cameras will make any difference here."... lets wait and see what SK can do with the police tech, a budget and very skilled computer experts
vs the decades of city politics in the US and UK
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Didn't work in the UK, won't work in South Korea.
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The cameras will not stop purse snatching
The problem with this argument is that if it turns out that the cameras DO reduce purse snatching, you have lost the debate.
You should instead argue that we should not give up essential liberty, even at the price of less safety.
That we may not actually be safer is not the core issue.
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First:
https://www.schneier.com/blog/... [schneier.com]
S. Korea's system will fare little better.
Second: if you had actually read what I said, you would see that the people who are installing the cameras KNOW THEY WON'T REDUCE CRIME. It isn't a matter of whether they will as a windfall effect; it's that the people installing them HAVE NO INTENTION OF USING THEM TO STOP CRIME AS A PRIMARY FUNCTION. They are there to monitor everyone. The people most-likely to be monitored and tracked are the ones who will go to no effort
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Indeed. The whole "prevention" thing that is usually claimed is a big, fat lie. What cameras can do (maybe) is help with after-the-fact determination what happened, they cannot "prevent" anything. And, in fact, with minimal care on their side, you cannot even reliably (or at all) identify perpetrators of crimes from the footage.
What cameras can do is generally identify citizens (with somewhat reasonable accuracy), where they are, what they do. Ideal for the next fascist government to find as many "criminals
Crime Detection? Or Crime Prediction? (Score:4, Insightful)
The cameras will use AI software that processes the location, time, and behavior patterns of passersby to measure the likelihood of a crime taking place.
That sounds like crime prediction to me.
"You haven't committed a crime yet . . . but you look like you will commit one . . . you act like a criminal."
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Oh, so you found your excuse for committing crimes (Score:2)
"I am allowed to commit a crime, because he committed a crime first! That means I can call my crime 'punishment'!"
Or rather: "...because he *might* commit a crime."
Or, in essence: "Waah, bit he started it, mom!"
Great logic there, toddler!
You have just become evil because your enemy *might* be evil. Leaving only one side that provably is evil right here right now.
Why stop at totalitarian surveillance though? Why not just kill anyone who might be a criminal?
Got a penis? Must be a rapist! Lop off his head!
Amaz
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Creating/sharing/using a nations ID card to then spy with would be a crime... by another nations spies...
Re 'totalitarian surveillance' its not really totalitarian surveillance when another nation has its active spy networks in the nation...
Re "Amazing logic!" SK cant upgrade its police database networks due to "evil"?
Thats their CCTV network, their nations laws and their nations ID card system
Re:Crime Detection? Or Crime Prediction? (Score:4, Insightful)
well some of the crime has people acting completely normally before it... so maybe normal will end up as criminal? or maybe you need go gangnam style dance all the time to not be suspicious?
I would imagine though that the point would be to point the video viewer coppers to view the right feed though. it does sound like a lot of "ai ai ai give me money aia iai ai aia ai aia ai give me money" bollocks though if they're _going_to_ run through the court documents and video footage.
you see, I don't believe for a second that they have recognition software to deploy like they claim at all. there would be fairly obvious very very very very lucrative military deals for such software and installing it on some random cameras in korea would be quite far down the list of markets for it. IF THEY ACTUALLY HAD IT!
kinda you know, which countries would buy a magical dousing rod to detect bombs? usa surely? yes if it worked. because it didn't work iraq and thailand were the perfect buyers.
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The cameras will use AI software that processes the location, time, and behavior patterns of passersby to measure the likelihood of a crime taking place.
That sounds like crime prediction to me.
"You haven't committed a crime yet . . . but you look like you will commit one . . . you act like a criminal."
... engage minigun ... possible threat eliminated ... all cleanup robots converge on isle 5.
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Add CCTV and every digital face of every citizen is on file
Every person allowed into a nation with a passport/mil ID is on file too...
People with no/fake ID, illegal migrants start to get detected AC...
Strange. You look like one to me. (Score:2)
You're white. And live in a trailer park. Drinking booze and hitting your "wife" all day. Don't care for your kids, got no job, and no intelligence.
Sounds like one to me.
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"That sounds like crime prediction to me."
That sounds scary, but if it appears someone is about to walk into a bank with a gun and ski mask, we are generally ok with arresting them BEFORE they perform the act.
Stop peddling this bullshit, you clueless moron! (Score:1)
Why do you keep saying "artificial intelligence"??
It is just a damn universal function, based on weight matrix multiplication. Not an intelligent being.
And clearly, neither are you.
I want publicly saying bullshit like that to be illegal!
Freedom of the the press can't cover outright false statements.
Welcome to The Gap (Score:2)
Mr. Yakamoto.