Portland Plans To Propose the Strictest Facial Recognition Ban in the Country (fastcompany.com) 54
harrymcc writes: As the federal government plods along on developing privacy laws, some cities are taking matters into their own hands -- with facial recognition technology at the top of the list. Now, Portland, Oregon, has plans to ban the use of facial recognition for both the government and private businesses in the city, a move that could make Portland's ban the most restrictive in the United States. The proposed ban comes after cities including San Francisco, Oakland, and Berkeley in California, and Somerville in Massachusetts, have already banned the use of facial recognition by their city government agencies, including police departments. But Portland's ban goes a step further by expanding to private businesses -- if it makes it into law and takes effect in spring 2020, as planned. It could be a preview of what to expect across the country. "I think we're going to start to see more and more [private sector bans]," says ACLU of Northern California attorney Matt Cagle, who helped draft the San Francisco legislation that later served as the model for Oakland and Berkeley. "People are really concerned about facial recognition use and the tracking of their innate features by governments and private corporations."
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Well, I guess they could amend it, to track NON-facial feature, look only for those wearing black masks/hoods and the like, to help track antifa, which I believe has already been listed as a terrorist type entity?
Seems to be a lot of them causing trouble in the Portland area if YouTube videos are to be believed at all.
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Nope, it is all because the corrupt at the top what to hide their location and nothing to do with the rest of us. They are finding it real tricky to stick it to us whilst keeping their corrupt secrets. Funny changes to law being tested but you wont stop us from doing it as a shared track the corrupt fuckers at the top open source program. Lets, track the politicians, corporate executives and lobbyists, watch them and track them where ever they go, never a moments privacy behind which to hide corruption ;DDD
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The Feds don't have to go to Court to overturn it. They're not bound by State or Local laws in any case. Way it works is Federal Law trumps everything lower. Then State Law trumps everything lower. Then Local law do what Federal & State Laws allow them to do....
Really, now people are concerned? (Score:3)
So people are concerned about businesses tracking their faces, but those same people have no problems giving Facebook, Google, and other companies intimate details of their lives (including many pictures of their faces, and more)? If you have a smartphone, there are multiple companies which know exactly where and when you've been, with whom, and more than likely why (based on your conversations via messaging apps or using "free" email).
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Of course, I get it. Personally I've never had a Facebook account, nor do I use gmail, hotmail or any other free email services which come at a price of snooping through my emails, and generally I keep a much lower digital fingerprint than most. However, AFAIK a decent majority of people use Facebook, Google and other services, and we live in a democracy which by definition is a majority rule system, hence my surprise that people would vote for limiting facial recognition while being fine with giving away
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I thought it was a constitutional (democratic) republic, but I'm not a pol-sci major. Eugene Volokh seems to agree, for whatever that's worth.
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Err, ok, since this is a US centric site, I'm going to assume you are in the US.
We are not a democracy.
We are a constitutional republic. We are certainly not majority/mob rule...at least, not yet.
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And of course, hand in hand with that cognitive dissonance is that many
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The ID provided has to match the wider in use facial recognition.
Slowly fake/shared/created 1970's, 1980's city/state ID wont work as it will have not links back into any other US database.
No tax? No work photo ID? No telco? No billing? Permit? No rent? No other datasets match? Education? SS number share
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You know, you can also put on a ski-mask, or clothing design to confuse graphics (lots of faces on the T-shirt), or makeup designed to hide your face. Put on a president head mask and have the face tracking show that it was Obama or Trump taking that walk ;-P
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Obtuse? (Score:2)
Facial recognition gives the cops another excuse to violate your rights and send innocent people to jail, same as with "drug dogs" that always alert to make their trainers happy.
Logic (Score:1)
"Hardesty is unswayed by arguments that the technology can be improved enough. “Rather than going back to fix something we already know is flawed to begin with, we should stop it from taking root in the first place,” she says."
Now THERE is some infallible logic. Why fix anything? Just ban it.
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Just wait until someone points out that human brains have their own "facial recognition" wetware built in. The logical response will be to demand laws to force everyone to take drugs to induce face blindness (prosopagnosia).
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Just wait until someone points out that human brains have their own "facial recognition" wetware built in. The logical response will be to demand laws to force everyone to take drugs to induce face blindness (prosopagnosia).
lol wut.
Mass automated surveillance and data gathering isn't remotely the same as a person being able to recognise people.
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And what if they remembered to write the law using more than two words? What then?
Banning cameras is next (Score:2)
Good luck enforcing this. Facial recognition can always be turned into "someone recognized this surveillance video of this dude"
Banning surveillance cameras is a step that obviously comes close behind, as would taking a video of anyone in public without explicit permission.
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Banning surveillance cameras is a step that obviously comes close behind, as would taking a video of anyone in public without explicit permission.
What about taking a video of public employees in public places, such as police? Would that be banned? What if you are taking a legal video of your family and someone else walks past? What about private car dash cameras?
Limiting your future (Score:2)
All bans on technology do, is ensure your city will be a future backwater where no-one wants to be.
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Why is a state and city so against tech that will ducted criminals and illegal migrants?
The 'UN's declaration of Universal Human Rights "is not going to protect people as many nations using the tech are fully part of the UN...
The "US Constitution" is not a way of escape for criminals and illegal migrants from US law enforcement...
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Interesting, not comparable (Score:2)
You mean like how prohibition made people who wanted to drink leave the country?
An interesting comparison that I don't think works.
In prohibition, when the government banned alcohol you could simply consume it illegally, pretty much everywhere had speak-easies and stills.
When the local government bans facial recognition, there is no way for you to obtain the second-order benefits lost. No way to use facial recognition as a way to reduce crime. No way for businesses to add facial recognition to help improv
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plagued by increasing crime
A world without facial recognition already exists, and crime continues to go down over time, not up.
Up, down, can you hear me now? Fuck an A.
What if facial recognition systems increase crime? It all depends on what it is used for, and who hacks the system. You simply lack enough imagination to understand the range of risks. You wave your hands and declare not only your opinion, but you even declare the future as a fact. Internet Prognosticator Man. Say, do you have a geocities home page I could visit?
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All bans on technology do, is ensure your city will be a future backwater where no-one wants to be.
Dude. Portland does not seek your approval.
You don't have enough internets to affect Portland's status.
I read that as Fecal Recognition Ban (Score:2)
It's a trap! (...maybe literally,,,) (Score:2)
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Every face into and out of the city/state.
Every face near any federal building.
The more a city/state protects criminals and illegal migrants, the more the feds will get interested.
Kind of wishy-washy (Score:2)
Plans to propose a ban
Well you just let me know when you get around to proposing one.
Portland, home of Antifa... (Score:2)
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They don't actually wear masks all the time.
You can read their names and see their faces in the local newspapers.
They're not scared of you.
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Cops have to wear eye patches, 2 of them.
Can't have them remembering who went where.
antifa (Score:1)
Mos-Portland (Score:1)