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Bill Gates, Amazon and Google Urge Followers To Share Data On Teacher Friends 65

theodp writes: Facebook may be facing the threat of a multi-billion dollar FTC fine for privacy lapses that included allowing companies to obtain users' email addresses from their friends, but that didn't discourage Bill Gates from taking to Twitter to urge his 46.5 million followers to give up the names and email addresses of teachers so they can be contacted by tech-bankrolled Code.org for a chance to receive a "Computer Science Scholarship" (attend Professional Development workshops). Or Amazon. Or Google. "The success of our professional learning program depends on the work of our partners to spread the word," explained Code.org in a Medium Post. "Corporate partners like Amazon, Infosys, and Google are rallying their employees and communities to nominate a teacher, and so are fellow teachers, parents, and students. We couldn't do it without you! [...] Code.org (and these scholarships) are supported by: Amazon, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Facebook, Google, Infosys Foundation USA, Microsoft [...] Code.org has prepared almost 100,000 educators to teach our courses, and they give our program rave reviews. We welcome teachers from all subject areas-no CS experience needed!"

In May, Code.org announced it was crowdsourcing a database of U.S. K-12 schools that teach -- or don't teach -- CS, with a goal to "gather data for 100% of U.S. schools by the end of 2018." The database would be used by the nonprofit and the CS community to "make our shared vision [for every school to teach computer science] a reality." Several months later, Amazon disclosed its involvement with the data collection effort, explaining it "will help us bring access to the schools that need it most." Amazon on Thursday announced it had selected 1,000 high schools to receive Amazon-funded CS classes and will be tapping another lucky 1,000 schools in the next few months. An Amazon press release said the company hopes to "inspire and educate 10 million children and young adults each year from underprivileged, underrepresented, and underserved communities to pursue careers in the fast-growing field of computer science and coding" through its Amazon Future Engineer program, which the e-tailer describes as "a four-part, childhood-to-career program."
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Bill Gates, Amazon and Google Urge Followers To Share Data On Teacher Friends

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  • by uulbri ( 1573601 ) on Monday February 25, 2019 @02:28AM (#58175256)
    As a CS engineer, I would never recommend any of my teacher friends to attend a brainwash from the GAFAMs in order to help them format the students for the industry.
    If the GAFAMs really want to help education, they may start by paying their taxes.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      But the goal is to pump out CS majors in order to flood the market with them to drive down salaries. How could anyone possibly be against that? Can't do that and collect and store email addresses in a database if people aren't told to signal boost....

      On the count of three, everybody with me now! ... One! ... Two! ... Ethics is for suckers when it comes to business as usual in the US of friggin A!

      If you can do 'em, screw 'em. People don't become wealthy, they don't live their best lives, by being squeemish o

      • by Anonymous Coward

        Honestly, forget about salaries, think about quality of life while at work. A friend of mine is working on a degree in something and is having to take a python course. He asked me for some help and the stuff he didn't understand I didn't believe somebody could find confusing. He's a nice guy and all, but some people just aren't wired to program. I'll play TTRPGs with him, but I don't want to work with him.

    • If the GAFAMs really want to help education, they may start by paying their taxes.

      I'm curious - which of the GAFAMs didn't pay their taxes?

      If you know that they didn't, I have to assume you're a tax lawyer who works for one of them, and didn't report whatever illegal activity you noticed when doing so, so you should be able to cite chapter and verse of the tax law(s) they broke, as well as provide info to the relevant prosecutors....

      Do note that if (as I suspect) you're NOT a tax lawyer, it's unlikely in

      • by Anonymous Coward

        Well, it was in the news last week that amazon was paying 0 in taxes on something like 5 billion in profits. Now, it's perfectly legal, but one could rightfully argue it is also them "not paying taxes" which may be what the GP actually meant.

        • by dcw3 ( 649211 ) on Monday February 25, 2019 @07:46AM (#58175682) Journal

          It was $5B in '17 and over $11B in '18. That doesn't mean they're doing anything illegal, or immoral. From CNN...

          "This is tax avoidance, not tax evasion. There's no indication of any wrongdoing, except on the part of Congress," said Matthew Gardner, senior fellow at the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, a liberal think tank.

          US tax code allows money-losing companies to reduce their future taxable income.

          • Yes it seems that all the loopholes corporations need to evade taxes are right there. Imagine that!
            • by dcw3 ( 649211 )

              Not disagreeing at all. I'm a conservative, but believe we need to get the money out of politics because it's corrupting the system. SCOTUS fucked up when they bought into the "corporations are people" bullshit.

        • by Creepy ( 93888 )

          Actually, the correct answer is all of them because they all shelter money made overseas in tax havens. Amazon is just lucky enough to pay 0 taxes on US earned money. I will happily vote for anyone that campaigns on breaking them up, as I feel they are the greatest threat to society right now - those taxes are all getting handed over to smaller businesses like mine.

      • Yes it's just a huge coincidence there is a loophole every place a corporation could be paying taxes.
      • Hey ass-hole, it is well know that companies like Microsoft, Google and Apple off-shore their profits in order to evade paying taxes. Tim Cook laments about this all the time. Got Trillions of dollars off-shore but doesn't want bring them to the US because he'll have to pay taxes. The EU told Apple they owe Ireland, Apple's tax free zone in Europe, back taxes. Tim Cook said Ireland can have taxes or jobs not both.

        You can fuck off now.
    • by hey! ( 33014 )

      It wouldn't be entirely bad if it really made people suitable for employment, but it strikes me more as a *vanity* project than as anything actually practical.

      You can teach anyone with a decent education to code in a few weeks. Mastery takes longer, of course, but starting out young with only marginally competent teachers is a recipe for a lifetime of mediocrity.

      Better to focus on analytical/inductive reasoning skills, effective writing, and a broad and sound understanding of science, math, and culture.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    And why would I want to "follow" him? On Twitter, of all things?

    What's this "Twitter" thing, anyway?

  • We all know that data sharing is a thing that we all are scared of and by the post, we can see how big companies are sharing our data and making millions and billions of money. The whole database is being transferred from one company to another. As I got to know this from https://applesupportnumber.net... [applesupportnumber.net] while being concerned with the data on my ios devices.
  • Focus on the people who can actually pass all their tests and exams every year.
    Without needing extra non academic consideration.
    Full academic scholarships for the very best in every state after all passing exams.
    Years of testing should find the top percentage of every generation, every decade.
    The underrepresented can sit the same free tests, pass the same exams as all other students.
    Data sets, workshops, a new CoC, money, academic programs, charity cant help people who can't and won't study.

    Some
  • just forgot to buy the data from Bookface. /s

  • by Barny ( 103770 ) on Monday February 25, 2019 @04:57AM (#58175432) Journal

    Maybe it's a test of basic courtesy? When you enter someone's details, they get contacted and asked if someone asked their permission to post their email address. If they say no, an orbital laser fries the brain of the person who DIDN'T HAVE THE COMMON FUCKING COURTESY TO ASK BEFORE SHARING PEOPLE'S DETAILS.

    Onto a more legitimate point, at least they are asking people and not just skimming it all automatically.

  • by bradley13 ( 1118935 ) on Monday February 25, 2019 @05:25AM (#58175472) Homepage

    I have to wonder about programs that are supposed to get ordinary teachers to teach CS. I expect many of us had teachers (especially in primary school) who were teaching stuff they personally did not like or understand. Seems to me that's the likely result here: take someone who doesn't really like CS, and doesn't really understand it either - and have them try to teach it. Seems like a great way to turn students off.

    Anyone have practical experience with these programs, who can comment?

    • by Anonymous Coward

      I don't have any practical experience with these programs, but I do have practical experience with the companies and have even worked at a couple. So I can say they aren't to be trusted. These programs aren't being developed for the benefit of the students or society in general. You don't need to look at the programs, look at who's creating them and their history and how they currently operate. As petty as local governments can be, do you really want to aid the slow slide to corporate funded education?

  • by Registered Coward v2 ( 447531 ) on Monday February 25, 2019 @07:37AM (#58175656)
    If we can't get you to sign up we'll get friends to do it for you so we can spam you.
  • Urging followers to "out" the friends of teachers...

  • by dwillden ( 521345 ) on Monday February 25, 2019 @08:36AM (#58175796) Homepage
    I have many friends who are teachers, from elementary to HS and college. Not going to post a single one of their email addresses. Because it's not my information to post. If they want spam they can sign up for it.
  • Why don't they share more of their success with their workers? Maybe then kids will see other people who are successful in development and follow them. When you work for a company you are creating value. If they are going to strip all that value away and leave the worker with the bare minimum of compensation that the market dictates regardless of the value they create then they will get a poor job pool to pick from because there is no motivation to educate in it.
  • If someone went viral with a video or something and wanted to round up all the email addresses of CEOs and executives of large companies, I wonder what the reaction would be?
  • If it's a legitimate request, it will be forwarded to them via their schools, colleges, and universities.

    If they're just trying to monetize the teachers and have them work below scale for others, it won't.

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