TSA Lays Out Plans To Use Facial Recognition For Domestic Flights (theverge.com) 171
The TSA has released its roadmap to use biometrics technology in the coming years. The Verge reports: Customs and Border Protection has been using facial recognition to screen non-U.S. residents on international flights since 2015, a project that was expedited by the Trump administration. Last year, the U.S. government laid out its plans to start expanding the screening tools to U.S. citizens, which would require them to undergo facial scans when they leave the country through a system called the Biometric Pathway. Today's news lays out how the TSA will adopt the same technology, partnering with CBP on biometrics for international travelers, expanding security operations to TSA Precheck members, and eventually, using facial recognition to verify domestic travelers.
TSA says that by moving toward facial recognition technology in a time where travel volume is rising, it's hoping to reduce the need for physical documents like passports and paper tickets. Currently, TSA manually compares the passengers in front of them to their ID photos, but it believes an automated process that can match facial images to photos from passports and visa applications will be more accurate and efficient.
TSA says that by moving toward facial recognition technology in a time where travel volume is rising, it's hoping to reduce the need for physical documents like passports and paper tickets. Currently, TSA manually compares the passengers in front of them to their ID photos, but it believes an automated process that can match facial images to photos from passports and visa applications will be more accurate and efficient.
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Really. I thought this was done years ago. Every time I have passed through customs they asked me to look in the camera. Starting about two years ago, it is just a kiosk. I insert my passport open to the photo page, look in the camera with my eyes lined up on the dots, and push the button. It prints a paper receipt, which I hand to the nice man with the gun, and then I walk out the door. The system is almost totally automated, and since there are plenty of kiosks, the line moves fast.
At least that is
America is becoming more and more like China ... (Score:1)
With facial recognition detectors springing up everywhere our privacy is no longer protected.
America supposed to be a land where FREEDOM IS CHERISHED, but apparently, we are moving closer and closer towards AUTHORITARIANISM, like the one in China !
Mission Impossible (Score:2)
Anyone who's watched any Mission Impossible movie or episode knows that facial recognition is easy to fool.
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Global Entry is $100 and is good for 5 years - that's $20 a year, or less than the cost of checking a single bag. It also give you TSA Pre-Check. Chances are that if you can afford to fly internationally, you can afford $20/year.
I didn't say it (Score:5, Insightful)
Oh. Wait. Yes I did.
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The TSA is populated by the typical government goon that cannot be fired.
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while we make assumptions about what various DNA markers mean.
Hey, if you find any 'indian' in there, can I open a casino?
Your rage is directed at the wrong place (Score:4, Insightful)
I should also add that your misplace anger is not an accident [google.com]
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That excuse didn't work a the Nürnberg trials (Score:5, Insightful)
And "I only followed orders." also doesn't work now. I'm German, by the way. Our history classes in school are 90% "Look at this horrible shit we did. Never do that shit again, cause and this is why.”
"I gotta pay the bills" isn't an excuse to break in and steal somebody's money either. Let alone do full-on totalitarian state terrorism. Doesn't matter if somebody told you to do it, now does it?
Let's be very clear: I don't expect you to risk your life by openly fighting the oppressors. But: If you work for the Gestapo, err, TSA, argue for the TSA, support the TSA, or otherwise enable the TSA, you're a traitor.
Frankly, the most scary part, to me, is that the USA does not have anyone strong that could bring it to its knees, like Germany had Russia, the UK, the French Resistance and the USA, once it goes full goose stepping. Who's gonna help us? Overweight US citizens with silly hand guns? Aliens? The Russians and China? Don't make me laug^Wcry.
Re: That excuse didn't work a the Nürnberg tr (Score:5, Insightful)
I feel for your country. With over 20% of the next generation not being german you may soon be bred out of your own country. Do Thank Merkel for that.
It's happening here too. They say "Australia gives people a go". That's correct. Australians do. Soon there won't be many of us left. 5% indian and growing. Getting to 5% muslim (some crossover with Indian there) etc. Come back in 3 generations and you may be hard pressed to find an aussie.
I'm sure there's a whole bunch of aboriginals just waiting for you to cry on their shoulders.
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I'm sure there's a whole bunch of aboriginals just waiting for you to cry on their shoulders.
Aboriginals who, after the Muslims get through treating them as they do Yazidis and Chaldeans, will be wanting the Aussies back again.
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When our army can't defend us we are gone.
I hope we will be remembered.
Crocodile Dundee will never be forgotten.
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Justified or not (Score:2)
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They didn't vote for the "the other party". They voted for a bunch of other parties, 5 or 6 of which got meaningful numbers of votes. The Nazis won more seats than any other party in the July 1932 elections with 37% of the vote. No party could put together a governing coalition, though, and new elections were called for November. In the November elections the Nazis only got 33% of the vote, but were still the largest party.
It is normal for the largest party to form government. Hindenburg and von Papen gave
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you're made at the barely-more-than-min-wage drone that runs the computers.
They make a lot more than minimum wage. Prior to 9/11 the security was run by the airlines. But in the aftermath they were replaced by unionized government employees earning nearly twice as much. Many tests have shown that there was no increase in effectiveness at detecting prohibited items, despite the slower process and newer equipment.
Oh boy, twice minimum wage? (Score:2, Insightful)
Also, you're straw manning. The point is that it's not the guy that hassles you for the pocket knife on your key chain who's oppressing you, it's the billionaire who destabilized the middle east for profit and hegemony and thereby created a climate where terrorists thrive. Stop wasting your time and energy on folks who are barely even small potatoes just because they're the ones you see. Look past that to the root cause.
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That's a curious way of writing "a decrease in effectiveness"
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Entry level TSA agents make $12-$18/hr (https://www.federallawenforcement.org/tsa/). While that is certainly higher than the federal minimum wage of $7.25/hr, it is very much in line with what people make for unskilled labor jobs in urban markets all across the country. It's definitely lower than the median wage of $21/hr. And with a median wage of $22/hr for law enforcement (https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Police_Officer/Salary/9d8677f9/Entry-Level), I'd say the TSA pay rate is pretty abysmal, eve
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Sure do all that. Just don't expect to get on a plane afterwards. Because flying is not a constitutionally protected right. No one has to fly on an airplane. It's entirely voluntary.
Personally I avoid it when ever possible. At work I tell them I have the Mississippi rule. If they want me to travel for work and the destination is east of the Mississippi then I expect to be paid mileage or get a rental car and drive. The time comes out of my normal salaried hours and they can pad a day on each end. Never been
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If the cameras don't have IR filters, you could also wear a necklace with IR LEDs to blind them.
Do you remember the girl who nearly got shot because she was wearing a Clock T-Shirt? [amazon.co.uk]
Wearing electronics that TSA doesn't recognize is a bad idea.
Also, this isn't an opt-in system. Expect to have to go through the scanning area until they get a good picture.
The TSA is why I don't fly. (Score:5, Insightful)
I won't be sexually molested by a government goon. So until the TSA goes away I won't go anywhere my Tacoma won't take me.
SAME HERE (Score:5, Insightful)
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Except that the same TSA goons that you see at airports are not only doing the same checks are the borders with Mexico and Canada but now they are doing random checks on the highways as well.
You can make it better (Score:2)
I won't be sexually molested by a government goon.
If you get Global Entry, it means you get TSA-Precheck on domestic (U.S.) flights, and much quicker passing through customs going back into the U.S.
You also get to use the metal scanner only instead of the full body scanner, set to a weak enough level you can leave on watches and belts and shoes (some women's shoes seem to still pack enough metal to set them off).
Doing that you have a very low probability of being frisked (the only time I was it was because
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I have Global Entry (GE), and am a 60 yr old white male. Coming back from a recent vacation to Iceland and Norway, I was "identified" by TSA for additional screening in Reykjavick, taken into a back room, patted down, etc. Note that Iceland Air doesn't participate in TSA Pre, and when identified, I handed them my Global Entry card, and that was also of no help. Don't get me wrong, I love skipping the line when getting back here...GE has saved me hours of wait time. You do also get TSA-Pre on internation
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So did many people around the world.
I gave up visiting the US since 9/11. Not because of terrorist (the risk is too low to worry about), but because of the draconian out-of-proportion rules implemented afterwards, plus the trigger-happy culture of the US LEO. Any innocent foreigner has a much higher risk of being "accidentally" killed by US LEO than by a terrorist.
Plus the TSA molestation is unavoidable. Not going to visit the US as long as TSA is in the way, which probably means not again in my lifetime
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I won't be sexually molested by a government goon. So until the TSA goes away I won't go anywhere my Tacoma won't take me.
My friend, a 35 year old white male with tattoos, got checked for explosives at an airport by a middle eastern female security guard. You really have to appreciate the irony of that.
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Yeah, because you clearly need to be a younger white male to be a terrorist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
FWIW, I'm 60, white and male...no tattoos, and have a registered Global Entry number, and yet I was recently stopped for extra screening.
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I was recently stopped for extra screening.
By a muslim woman for an explosive check? It's not the age I'm pointing out, just that it seems like one giant wind up of western culture so that we're always just below the threshold of going crazy and the absurdity of it all.
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I've had the pat down and it is not even close to being molested. It's a pat down which is used to check for trace amounts of chemicals which are contained in things that go boom.
So tell me, is "sliding hands up your leg until resistance" important because there are crotch chemicals that go boom?
It takes less than 60 seconds and is not a big deal
The big deal is that there is no way in hell it will actually catch a terrorist, and in 17 years (so far) it never has!
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They usually have support networks, people to get them into a part of a nation.
Cash, a safe place to live and transport. A place of religion that is supportive.
Wider faith based support networks.
All people who show up on CCTV with interesting people.
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"why in am i considered a pedestrian"
Until you can learn to form a properly constructed English language sentence your rights will continue to be violated. Get used to it.
And THIS is how it goes (Score:4, Insightful)
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Think of the criminals that get found (Score:2)
A large amount of tax not paid?
Stayed in the USA past too long as a "tourist"
Working in the USA under the wrong type of visa with photo ID from the place of work?
Wanted criminals who thought their new ID would work in all states and be ready for any federal database.
People using too many different versions of fake ID in different states.
A person who created an new ID back in the 1970's and who used that to collect feder
Re: Think of the criminals that get found (Score:2)
eh?
facial recognition wont help with that, any more than photo id. in fact computers are even less reliable at recognising faces than people.
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People have to have some ID going back to a gov issued ID. Thats all that has to be found in anther name. That is not found as it was never created in another database.
Normal citizens will have interconnected federal and state database data set and a few images.
Illegal immigrants, criminals and people trying to create a new fake ID will not have the existing database use to support their new state "issued" ID.
Creating an entire past i
Re: Think of the criminals that get found (Score:2)
Cybernetic totalitarianism will solve ALL our problems!
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How is the US going to deal with the 5000+ and growing swarm of people heading its way via Mexico?
Probably guns.
On one hand... (Score:3)
On one hand, this is great, because it will save time. On the other hand, it seems to be the inevitable march of being tracked and recorded everywhere one goes.
On one hand, no one seems to care that they can already be pinpointed to a 100 foot spot on the planet. On the other hand, it makes it much easier to find the criminals.
On one hand, if I'm not breaking the law, it shouldn't matter. On the other hand, the US has the largest prison population on the planet.
On one hand, all this data is too much for any human to sort through. On the other hand, sic some AI bots on it and we can correlate, extrapolate and predict what people may or may not do.
On one hand, most people have done something they shouldn't have done. On the other hand, every person can be identified, and taught a lesson by the state for any past, or future transgressions.
On one hand, the technology to ID people will help things run smooth. On the other hand, we know that someone is creating an alert to notify the man, that we are back in town.
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On one hand, the TSA are supposedly providing a safety service. In the other hand, they've got your balls.
Re:On one hand...Except it Won't (Score:4, Interesting)
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Hasn't everything the TSA attempted to do (to protect) failed miserably?
That's not what the TSA is for. The TSA is there to frighten Americans and employ deplorables. (Nobody else would be willing to molest air passengers for money.) It's succeeding brilliantly at both of those things. Actually preventing terror attacks is counterproductive if your primary goal is to control the sheeple so you can shear them occasionally.
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What? I fly a fair bit... the facial compare to your passport/ID part is never the hold up. It is the bag scanning that holds up the lines. Are we talking about the same thing? TSA lines right? ...not after you exit the plane in another country and go through customs, which is slow, granted.
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No need for above-the-law style corruption if your laws are sufficiently wicked. All the great massacres and tyrannies of the 20th Century were fully lawful at the national level.
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The funny thing is, they don't seem to be catching the criminals more easily at all - if they were, we should see a reverse in the ever-rising "fear of crime" index.
So governments can't have it both ways - either take our freedoms "to stop crime" and actually do stop crime, or f right off taking our freedoms away.
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Weren't you already tracked when you handed over your passport to the TSA agent? What's the difference if the ID you with facial recognition? Either way, you're geolocated to that place and time. Don't they need to check people to see if they happen to be who they say they are, or would you prefer that they just let anyone board?
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Re: Quit yer bellyachin'!! (Score:1)
As if voting has made any difference in the past thirty years, at least...
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As if voting has made any difference in the past thirty years, at least...
What? It worked just fine keeping HRC out of an office she had no business holding. Not that Donald belongs there.
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Except that actually finding a politician you can vote for who wants to get rid of all this crap AND has a snowballs chance in hell of actually being elected is nearly impossible.
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That is obviously the voters' problem, no? They decide who gets on the ballot. They decide who wins. The initiative to seek out the right person is theirs to take. If they don't, and simply take what's spoon fed by mass media, they have no one else to blame.
You obviously weren't paying attention during the last U.S. presidential election. The DNC did everything in it's power to ensure it's candidate got the nomination and ended up on the ballot, no matter what its voting party members wanted.
You obvious are unaware of the kinds of barriers that the two main parties have put up. It's almost impossible for a third party candidate to make the ballot in every state. Even in local elections the bar is so high that just getting on the ballot if you aren't an R or a
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I think he meant 98% of the people who bother to vote.
Personally I wonder if Voting should be a mandatory part of citizenship as it is in some other countries.
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"If you don't like the TSA, vote for politicians that will abolish them. Otherwise STFU!"
Thats the problem, there are no such politicians. Politicians ride around in private jets and are thus immune to the hassles of the TSA.
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Private jets are immune to the TSA?
So all we need then, is for the airline to be organized a little differently. You don't buy a "ticket", you buy "a share" in a temporary airline that exists for the duration of the trip. So, the passengers really own the plane - it is a private jet. The jet is bought from a mother company (ordinary airline, or plane holding company), with money loaned from the same mother company. Personell & ground services are rented from the same place. When the plane lands, they
Internal passport, please, Comrade (Score:4, Insightful)
high street prices (Score:2)
I wouldn't mind this IF... (Score:2)
I would be OK with them using facial scanning tech (it's inevitable anyway so I'd rather know when they are using it then have them pretend they are not).
However, what I would also like to see is openness in the process as to how effective it really is. How many false positives, how many false negatives, per airport. All too many security features are introduced which I have no confidence have any use but scaring off potential criminals, I would love to know if this tool in the end would really help or ju
Re: I wouldn't mind this IF... (Score:1)
It already is out of control. Like Caesars Entertainment security using face recognition at Defcon 25 to time their armed âoewellness checksâ so they can plow through your belongings and steal shit while youâ(TM)re out of the room. And probably plant drugs and stuff too.
Why is ID important? (Score:2)
I travel by air a lot so I am in the TSA PreCheck program. It saves me a lot of time and for that time saving (simpler screening process), I am willing have the background check etc. In this case a facial recognition may help prove that I am really a person that has been vetted and therefore are eligible for a less intensive screening. However for people that aren't in PreCheck, why would it matter if we
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The airline fought to *have* this ID requirement. It prevents ticket re-selling, all booking changes go through the airline and they can charge you for it.
Re:Why is ID important? (Score:4, Interesting)
There's a bigger picture here. The U.S. anti-terrorist groups aren't just interested in preventing a terrorist taking down the plane they're flying on. They want to catch them on the way into the country, and while they're traveling the country, on their way to non-aircraft internal terror attacks. The major nightmare for federal anti-terrorist forces is a terror attack at someplace like Mall of the Americas or Disney World.
Such an attack has never happened, but the big fear is an attack in such a venue will cause people to stop frequenting such places, which would result in major losses for the corporations that own them.
It's why the TSA security theater exists in the first place. The airlines were terrified that people would stop flying, so the government set up TSA, not to make it safer to fly, because statistically terror attacks are an insignificant danger to any specific passenger, but to make people think it was safer to fly, so they would keep flying.
Like most things the government does they've ham handed it up and are now actually driving people away from flying. Luckily for the airlines they have more than enough business because some people have to fly or just cancel their trip entirely. Also now there is a whole generation who has never experienced reasonable airline security practices, so don't actually realize how bad it is.
When the terror groups eventually fizzle out, like the anarchists of the late 19th/early 20th century did, the U.S. government won't know how to respond to it. Of course they will fizzle out. Terrorism in the middle east is pay-rolled by petrodollars. When that finally runs out Islamic terrorism will go the way of the Paris Commune.
Re: Why is ID important? (Score:1)
Yes. Congratulations. You've stumbled upon the worst kept secret in airline travel.
Does ANYONE think they do these things for YOUR safety?
It's 2018. the TSA has proven themselves ineffective since they began their 'service' yet people still think they're working to keep citizens safe.
Tell people something enough and they'll believe it?
Curious.
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However for people that aren't in PreCheck, why would it matter if we know who they are? As long as they pass the normal screening process, it should be safe enough to let them on the plane.
Intimidation helps maintain order in a police state. Every level of law enforcement uses it routinely.
The terrorists won (Score:3)
President Geedub Boosh said, "they hate us because of our freedom". Well, we sure fixed that!
Simple Answer: Drive (Score:3)
The truth is, most sighted people could check the ID. Obviously, they are going to use this to scan everyone. Just don't go, but call your local airline and tell them exactly why. Then it will change.
They already have all the data through Precheck (Score:2)
How about this? (Score:1)
I know it's a pipe dream since this is a government operation but here goes.
TSA is required to give a detailed plan on what this change is supposed to provide, giving hard numbers and not just vague assurances. They have to state how many years they have to achieve said goal
One year before the mandatory end of the program the GAO goes in and does the work to find out if the program actually did as it was intended or not.
If not, since it probably won't, then the program is immediately terminated and any simi
They don't even enforce their own rules (Score:2)
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Pssssssst - there never were any real terrorists. Shhhhhhhh, don't tell anyone!
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I thought the TSA give facials already.
It's the anals that everybody is nervous about.