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Vizio May Soon Inform Customers When Its Smart TVs Are Spying On Them (theverge.com) 77

Vizio is reportedly working on a way to let TV owners know when it spies on their viewing habits. According to The Verge, the company is developing a "notice program with direct notification to the class through Vizio Smart TV displays." The Hollywood Reporter first spotted the news. From the report: The news popped up in a request to extend the time needed to submit a motion for a preliminary settlement in a class action lawsuit against the company. So basically, it's possible that Vizio users will get a pop-up notification that explains what the company is doing and when. The TV company already previously settled with the Federal Trade Commission for $2.2 million in 2017, along with the agreement to get users' consent before collecting data. The company was caught in 2015 tracking users' viewing habits and demographic data, which it combined to then sell to analytics and ad companies, thereby allowing them to better target their messaging.
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Vizio May Soon Inform Customers When Its Smart TVs Are Spying On Them

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  • Never (Score:4, Insightful)

    by dohzer ( 867770 ) on Saturday September 08, 2018 @05:05AM (#57274584)

    I know when mine is spying on me: never. Because I don't have a smart TV.

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      My tv is from 2006.

      Plenty of DRM-free analogue connectivity options including the excellent SCART connector, now mostly killed by the multinationals.
      No internet connection, no smart tv spying, no abusive apps, no forced updates, no useless curved screen, no 3d fraud, no useless 4k.

      And no need to unplug it. Not worth of trust are car, (smart)phone,fridge and other IoT appliances. But my TV appliance I can still trust. The appliance, not what's broadcast into it...

      • Curved screens would be awesome for games if GPU's could adjust (i.e. distort) their output accordingly...
        • They absolutely can. We use GPU distortion correction to eliminate/reduce chromatic aberration in Virtual Reality sets, not to mention warping the image to fit the lens. The last gen of Nvidia cards came with a feature that allows all kinds of fun display warping effects. For example if you have 3 monitors, you can now adjust the perspective to be correct on each individual panel, allowing for a more immersive experience.
    • I know when mine is spying on me: never. Because I don't have a smart TV.

      Yup, I refuse to get a SmartTV as well. And when that is the only kind of TV you can buy, I will just stop watching it altogether.

      • by jwhyche ( 6192 )

        You don't even need a TV these days to watch TV any more. Virtually everything you want to watch can be streamed internet browser. So if you really must watch TV you can just stream it to a window on a monitor.

    • ^^^THIS^^^!
  • Fantastic! (Score:4, Insightful)

    by nospam007 ( 722110 ) * on Saturday September 08, 2018 @05:14AM (#57274598)

    "it's possible that Vizio users will get a pop-up notification "

    Another popup to ruin my movie nights besides those from 'Logitech update available' and 'Windows Defender Summary.
    Can't wait.

  • by fox171171 ( 1425329 ) on Saturday September 08, 2018 @05:47AM (#57274660)

    When does it spy on you? When it is plugged in.

    Users may choose to opt out at any time by disconnecting the TV from the power source.

    • "Users may choose to opt out at any time by disconnecting the TV from the power source."

      Power source? You mean, so that it can't spy on you when you're not in front of it but only when you use it?

      So it can't watch you vacuuming the floor but only when you masturbate to your porn?

    • Why not remove the network connection instead ?

      • Newer smart TVs are moving to cellular modems to transmit and receive user data so unless your living room is a faraday cage, or you actively jam cellular signals simply denying it a network connection won't work.
        • by AlanBDee ( 2261976 ) on Saturday September 08, 2018 @08:07AM (#57274902)

          Citation please?

          • The source is "Newer TVs are probably moving to cellular modems...". I posted from my mobile before coffee again and didn't check so I guess I deserve the karma. My reasoning is base analyitics are very very low bandwidth and the SoC capabilities grow every day along with the market to bypass attempts to block its internet access.
            • Cell connections have to be paid for, which would largely negate whichever small per-user amount they actually earn for this data. It's the reason Amazon was willing to give their higher-end Kindles cell access, because they understood those are profit-making devices. It has nothing to do with the cost or capabilities of the electronics, and hasn't been for a long time.

              Remember that this spying is for profit, not for any other reason.

              • Except a single e-book is probably 100 years of analyitics, and with a wired connection 95% of the time only 5% will ever need to use it. Maybe there would be other reasons as well for 100% such as drm.
        • by Anonymous Coward

          Newer smart TVs are moving to cellular modems to transmit and receive user data so unless your living room is a faraday cage, or you actively jam cellular signals simply denying it a network connection won't work.

          Can you provide the name of even a single vendor doing this?

    • Yes, they should just put an embossed message on the screen bezel.

  • I hope it just says across the screen: "We're watching you...."
  • Here's a novel concept. Just don't spy on your users and then you never have to worry about it.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      User? You're the product, sheeple.

    • Here's a novel concept. Just don't spy on your users and then you never have to worry about it.

      That's like asking wolves not to eat chickens because it isn't nice.

  • Buy a dumb computer monitor.

    "But computer monitors are too small for my huge-ass living room in my McMansion!"
    Well, fuck you and your McMansion. That was your choice.

  • by Cmdln Daco ( 1183119 ) on Saturday September 08, 2018 @10:07AM (#57275304)

    Perhaps Vizio could design an LED indicator on the front of their products that will light up when their Smart TV is spying on a customer.

    It could even be a bi-color LED, that lights up with a certain color when the TV is on and spying on them at a high rate, and lights up with a different color when the TV is off and the level of spying has been slightly reduced.

  • What is it these days, whenever there is a problem/issue it seems the most stupid solution is selected.

    To this issue there are two possible things:
    1. stop spying on people
    2. add a fsck popup to tell people you are spying on them.

    Somehow the second option got chosen. So now you anger your users twice, once by spying and second by shoving a popup in their face saying you are spying on them. good god, we have really lost all ability to reason.

  • I can see where this is going. We will get popups asking us to check "we give [company] permission to [spy on us]". Completely voluntary - except if you don't accept you can't use the TV. It will be like the "accept cookies" boxes when browsing in Europe. You can accept cookies, or you can not browse.

    The fine print will of course allow you to return your TV for a full refund - in the original packaging etc etc. (which almost no on e will do).

    Other manufactures will soon follow so you will basically h

  • In a statement, Vizio said, "When we're secretly collecting information, we will project a glowing eye on the wall above and behind the TV. When we're sending that collected information to our servers the TV will make a mysterious whispering sound. The real innovation here is that the whispering will always be almost imperceptible regardless of the volume of the current sound playing on the TV. It senses it. It's really VERY clever. We got the patent last week!"

  • You choose which companies go forward and which ones do not.
    If you make a spying bed, you will have to sleep in it.
  • by Rick Schumann ( 4662797 ) on Saturday September 08, 2018 @01:23PM (#57276252) Journal
    How about you remove all ability of so-called 'smart TVs' to spy on anyone, ever, for any reason, you assholes?
  • It's simple. Just don't give your Smart TV your wi-fi password. Ever. The Smart functions are terrible implementations anyway. Plug in something you trust more, like a Plex box, an Amazon Fire Stick or a Chromestick and let your TV be a dumb device that just displays whatever video signal you feed it.

    Samsung Smart TVs got caught *browsing your network shared folders and sending your filenames to a server in South Korea*. There is no possible legitimate excuse for that. Don't trust consumer electronics devic

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