US Airlines Change Taiwan Reference On Websites Ahead of Chinese Deadline (cnbc.com) 199
hackingbear writes from a report via CNBC: After dragging their feet for months and requesting help from the Trump administration, all three major U.S. airlines -- American, Delta and United -- decided to change how they refer to Taiwan airports on their websites to avoid Chinese penalties right before the Wednesday deadline. Earlier this year, China demanded that foreign firms, and airlines in particular, not refer to Taiwan as a non-Chinese territory on their websites, as such practice violates Chinese laws. The White House in May slammed the demand as "Orwellian nonsense." Numerous non-U.S. airlines including Air Canada, Lufthansa, and British Airways had already made changes to their websites. The airlines "now only list Taipei's airport code and city, but not the name Taiwan," reports CNBC. It was unclear how China might punish airlines that don't comply, but it did add a clause saying regulators could change a company's permit if it did not meet "the demand of public interest." An American Airlines spokeswoman said in a statement: "Air travel is global business, and we abide by the rules in countries where we operate."
Free Taiwan is dead (Score:5, Insightful)
Xi Jinping has made his ambitions very clear. And we will do nothing to stop it.
This does not require some massive invasion. Just bit by bit, Xi will tighten the screws. Threats will work just fine as the rest of the world abandons Taiwan.
It will be like Hong Kong. At first China will just demand a token governor be appointed, with only ceremonial powers, as symbolic recognition. Then they may give Taiwan a seat on the Chinese politburo, appointed by the Chinese government. Then closer police cooperation.
Taiwan will do what everyone does and self censor. Radicals that want to push back will be censored by the Taiwanese themselves. Bit by bit that governor will become more powerful.
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China's leadership IS focused on Taiwan. In 10 years their successors will be saying 'WTF where they thinking?' But in Cantonese (not Mandarin).
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The economic power is in the south.
I'm expecting a credit crunch induced global _mess_. We can't all keep printing money, then pissing it away. But the Machiavellian plays mean nobody can stop, even if they wanted to...
You peg to our currency, we print money. We print money, you print money. You change your peg to a basket, everybody prints. It's a party or it's a war, nobody knows for sure, all we know is 'they' are still talking and smiling at each other and money is cheap.
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The economic power is in the south.
True ... in Shenzhen ... which is a Mandarin speaking city.
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I'm expecting a credit crunch induced global _mess_. We can't all keep printing money, then pissing it away./quote. OK, but for how long? Who's to say we can't keep doing that for a hundred more years?
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Don't try and time it. But 100 years...bloody unlikely.
What happens when a relatively minor currency goes 'pop'? Say the pound or yen. Does it spread? If it spreads will it stop spreading?
Re: Free Taiwan is dead (Score:2)
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They all speak some Mandarin for official purposes. What do they speak at home and on the streets in Shenzen?
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It very well may go as you fear; certainly China is working hard to make sure it does. But there's one basic difference between Taiwan and Hong Kong--Hong Kong was tied to a 99-year lease that ran out. There really wasn't much recourse once the lease ran out. Taiwan doesn't face a similar problem.
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Also, Taiwan has an army, while HK did not. If they feely they are being abandoned, they have the industrial base to build nukes within a few months.
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Mainland would declare any faction supporting that to be terrorists.
There would be no public debate. They would be made in secret, and then announced. At that point there would be nothing the mainland could do. Any attempt to militarily intervene would mean the loss of their coastal cities.
The world doesn't need another India Pakistan situation.
Nukes have brought peace. Another India-Pakistan war is becoming more and more unlikely. They are even compromising in Kashmir.
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Unfortunately there are several looming on the horizon. Israel vs Iran to name just one.
Re:Free Taiwan is dead (Score:5, Interesting)
At first China will just demand a token governor be appointed, with only ceremonial powers, as symbolic recognition.
This would be a non-starter in Taiwan. The people have always favored the "status-quo" (as opposed to outright independence) simply to avoid friction with the mainland. But they chafe at this sort of diplomatic isolation, such as participating in the Olympics as "Chinese Taipei". The more the PRC pushes, the more they push the Taiwanese people away. I find it difficult to imagine any sort of "unification" beyond a superficial "Greater-China Federation" agreement wherein PRC and ROC are co-equal partners. Anything that smacks of control from the mainland will be resoundingly rejected by the population.
I don't pretend to know how all this will work out in the long run, and I would be skeptical of anyone who claims to know.
Re:Free Taiwan is dead (Score:5, Interesting)
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Taiwan is nothing like Hong Kong. It is a breakaway republic
It was if you swallow the propaganda. Or you could as easily say the PRC broke away from the RoC.
The republic of China was forced to shift their capital from Beijing to Taipei, just as Israel did to Tel Aviv, or Germany to Bonn.
The country was split by war, like Korea and so many others.
The problem is that the Kuomintang never declared independence, but absurdly claimed to rightfully rule all of China. This somehow worked for a couple of decades, but in 1971, the UN recognised communists PRC instead.
Now th
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It is a breakaway republic started by an exiled former government..
That's a giant load of horsefeathers. FYI, Taiwan held a seat at the UN as China until 1971 when Nixon struck a deal with Mao
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Indeed, Taiwan was ruled by Japan before that. Not by China since the 19th century. And it was independent before that.
An important difference with Hong Kong is that HK never became properly democratic under the British -- the HK money did not want to give the masses any power. So there was a vacuum when China moved in. Taiwan has been properly democratic for decades.
But I still think Xi will softly invade Taiwan, and we will look the the other way. Then they will start to put much more soft power on u
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This is completely wrong. When you say 19th century. You mean 1895. That means for 95 years of the 19th century China had ruled Taiwan. And Taiwan was never independent since the 1600s. It was conquered by late Ming, and then later by the Qing.
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But I still think Xi will softly invade Taiwan, and we will look the the other way.
China has been softly invading Taiwan for many years, and it's almost too late to reverse the effects. There are one million Taiwanese businessmen in China, businessmen who have financial incentives to support the mainland regardless of the effects on the island. China has discovered the secret weapon that is much more powerful than the thousands of missiles aimed at the island. Chinese people listen to money, and the Taiwan are no different. There is a corporate and individual brain and heart drain to
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And letting China invade Taiwan somehow is "comeuppance" for western countries, how?
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There's much wrong in your comment.
Taiwan is not a breakaway republic. Taiwan IS STILL officially called the Republic of China. The constitution STILL includes all of the mainland territory, and even included Outer Mongolia until recently. The constitution still uses terms like Huaxia which means literally China. ROC + PRC both actually use the term huaxia in their official names.
Under the '92 consensus, both Taiwan and China basically agreed that there was one China, but they had differing opinions on
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That's like saying Britain is a breakaway republic of the US.
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Taiwan, or as I like to call it, The Republic of China. When we agreed to quit calling it that and use Taiwan instead, that was the beginning of the end. My dad always said, back in the 60s when the Cold War was raging, that China was the real enemy. I didn't believe him but as usual he was right.
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Crystal ball (Score:2, Insightful)
Xi Jinping has made his ambitions very clear. And we will do nothing to stop it.
People will make shit up, and no one will call them on it.
Trump is most definitely the "pushback" president: he pushed back against North Korea, he's currently pushing back against Iran, he's pushing back against unfair trade practices from allies and adversaries, and he pushed back against terrorism by defeating ISIS.
He has no problem taking direct action to stop something, so I have to ask:
Where did you purchase your crystal ball?
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First, he doesn't even know the difference between the two. Second, he'll follow the money, which is China.
Whoosh... (Score:2)
If you think for one second that Trump would go to war with China over Taiwan, you're delusional.
First, he doesn't even know the difference between the two. Second, he'll follow the money, which is China.
Whoosh...
Non-whoosh (Score:2, Insightful)
Look mate, if you're going to try sarcasm or subtlety *anywhere* near even a *mention* of Trump, you're going to lose. There is no way to go over the top of what he does. He already does stuff so batshit loopy that it's impossible to satirise.
If you write what you wrote earlier, I'll believe that's what you think, and *I'll* think you are just an idiot.
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It depends on how it starts and I think many Americans would be sympathetic to Taiwan considering they are a functional democracy and a large trade partner to the US.
It seems that Trump is being delicate in how he aligns with Taiwan [cnn.com] but moving in a good direction in a delicate way.
Personally, I hope he and any US president supports Taiwan and their independence.
Re:Crystal ball (Score:5, Interesting)
If you think for one second that Trump would go to war with China over Taiwan, you're delusional.
A war with China? That should be a fun half hour.
First, he doesn't even know the difference between the two.
Trump owns his own airplane, which he's flown all over the world. You want to pretend that Trump doesn't know where these countries are? I'll admit that he's not the most educated man but I'm guessing he knows where these places are and how they do business.
Second, he'll follow the money, which is China.
I read about what he did to get Otto Warmbier home. When Trump heard about Warmbier being ill he basically called up North Korea and told them that he was sending a plane to come pick him up. There was no negotiation, there was a demand. North Korea folded, granted a pardon to Warmbier and allowed the plane to leave with him on board. That's not "following the money". It's also far more than Obama tried to do.
I have no idea what Trump might do. I'm guessing that he'd like to flatten some of these nations that have caused trouble for the USA for so long, but if it isn't his better judgement stopping him then it's his advisors.
If Trump was just following the money then he wouldn't be in a trade war with China right now. I'm not all that pleased that POTUS has such authority to effectively dictate the price of steel but that's an authority granted to Congress in the Constitution and Congress delegated some of this authority to POTUS. I'd like to see Congress get in the business of... well, doing their damned job.
That brings up another authority Congress delegated to POTUS, the ability to effectively enact a war without first getting permission from Congress. That was real funny hearing Congress making a bunch of noise on POTUS after POTUS waging war all over the world. At the same time Congress approved the budget to wage war, and did nothing to dial back the delegated authority of POTUS to continue waging war.
I've noticed that much of the world stopped laughing at the USA now that Trump is in the Oval Office. That's probably because they realize that Trump just might be crazy enough to wage a war on China.
Re:Crystal ball (Score:5, Informative)
I've noticed that much of the world stopped laughing at the USA now that Trump is in the Oval Office.
Um, I think the noticing lobe in your brain mighthave stopped working.
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If you think for one second that Trump would go to war with China over Taiwan, you're delusional.
A war with China? That should be a fun half hour.
If you think for one second that PRC would go to war with anyone over ROC you're delusional. They don't have to.
You want to pretend that Trump doesn't know where these countries are?
No, he wants to spread fear and hatred for the politician he didn't vote for. It is the politically correct thing for all erudite people to do these days.
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I never noticed the world laughing at the US... at least not since WWII. And I only used that as a dividing line cause I stopped wanting to think about history. You would probably go back to the Civil War to find people laughing at the US.
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Half an hour to beat China, but you couldn't beat Vietnam in ten years and still haven't beaten Afghanistan. What is it like being a Trump cultist? I've never been in a religion or personality cult, I've no idea what it feels like. It must be so weird being that out of touch with reality.
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Seriously? He has pilots to fly the plane.
Of course he has pilots fly his plane.
Re: Crystal ball (Score:2)
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he pushed back against terrorism by defeating ISIS
What did Trump do to defeat ISIS?
China is like, evil here? (Score:4, Funny)
If the west doesn't draw a line in the sand and come down hard on Xi's ambitions, then I think you are 100% correct. And at the risk of turning this into yet another culture war thread between the left and right, I don't think that our current leader is capable of credibly resisting the Chinese government in any sort of meaningful fashion short of just emptying all the silos and hoping for the best. This is a situation that requires tact, wisdom, patience, and collaboration with allies.
Taiwan is fucked.
Re:Free Taiwan is dead (Score:5, Informative)
You don't seem to understand Taiwan and have misstated the situation.
The current government of Taiwan is a pro-independence government. It's a democracy, and these people were voted in. There's no chance of China appointing anyone, that's just not going to happen. It's easy to make the mistake. China has been so successful at telling everyone that Taiwan == China that people start to believe it, but it simply isn't true.
There is no plan for China to take over, there is no timetable. It is fundamentally not possible nor would the electorate accept any appointments by China.
They're also pragmatists and have no interest in provoking China. This is why the status quo continues.
However the PRC has essentially bribed or strong armed almost every nation on earth to avoid formal recognition of Taiwan as an independent country. This is shameful really, but money talks. This has real effects on Taiwan, like not being able to participate in international forums. However in other respects business carries on regardless of the word games. Countries can't have embassies in Taiwan, for example, but they have 'offices' that do exactly the same thing.
It would be nice to see some leadership, from the US maybe, in resolving this absurd situation. It could start by addressing the current issue (economic threats on airlines that describe Taiwan as a country), and ideally... by formally recognising Taiwan. Trump even alluded to that, but ... it was just a bit of anti-China rhetoric it seems.
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It would be nice to see some leadership, from the US maybe, in resolving this absurd situation. It could start by addressing the current issue (economic threats on airlines that describe Taiwan as a country), and ideally... by formally recognising Taiwan. Trump even alluded to that, but ... it was just a bit of anti-China rhetoric it seems.
The US has voted out or fired most of its leadership... maybe in a few years things will be different.
OK so maybe I'm just feeling a little bitter but that is the way things seem these days.
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Shashdot simply omitted the history context from my original post
In a move betraying to its former ally Taiwan, ROC, the United States signed into the One-China policy in a joint communique with China in 1972. Since the Republic of China government fret to Taiwan gave up its hope of "re-invading the mainland" (due to the rise and modernization of mainland China,) pro-independence and pro-unification political forces are competing for power to rule the island.
In the 1970's China was weak and backward, it couldn't possibly bribe or strongarm the most powerful nation in the world. Yet the most powerful nation in the world went ahead to betray its own ally. So tell me why?
Now that China is becoming a superpower of its own threatening the dominance of the US, and then they try to rally up political forces in Taiwan, Hongkong, and Tibet, as well as using trades, in an attempt to take down the number tw
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They probably omitted it because it's a load of crap.
There is no pro-unification party in Taiwan. The DPP, the guys in power, are pro-independence albeit in a practical sense, they're not going to declare independence. The other party are the KMT, the guys who historically considered themselves the rightful rulers of mainland China. They fought a civil war with the communist party so how exactly would they view unification do you think? *
> try to rally up political forces in Taiwan, Hongkong, and Tibet,
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Re:Free Taiwan is dead (Score:4, Insightful)
People in Taiwan were watching how Hong Kong got treated, and they didn't like it at all. If the Chinese government had treated Hong Kong better, then Taiwan would have been much more willing to join.....but now there is too much opposition to that viewpoint, because they can see what will happen.
To be clear, it isn't about economics or money: it's about freedom. The people in ROC see how Hong Kong has lost their freedoms, and they don't want to lose their own.
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In quite a twist of irony, western countries should consider adopting legislation that was recently approved in Russia: criminal liability for both companies and itâ(TM)s owners for complying with sanctions set by âforeignâ entities.
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In quite a twist of irony, western countries should consider adopting legislation that was recently approved in Russia: criminal liability for both companies and itÃ(TM)s owners for complying with sanctions set by 'foreign' entities.
What a crock. One government making it illegal for a multinational company to obey the laws of another country just because they're the laws of another country. It's one thing to criminalize an activity that another country has not, but completely different to criminalize the simple act of obeying another country's laws.
Perhaps we should criminalize any attempt at trademarking the word "it", or even just the inappropriate use of the contraction for "it is" when the possessive "its" should be used?
Disputed Zone (Score:4)
A better way around it (Score:2)
Why? (Score:1)
The US housing crisis required the Chinese to purchase US debt, propping up the American economy. The Chinese happily did to gain more global control while they manage their own economy. The airlines, strictly as companies, should be easy to control by Chinese public ownership due to their historical lack of profitability (and reliance on US government handouts, an example of how capitalism is unable to maintain quality because of long-term inflation causing substitution-of-goods problems for safety-criti
Priorities (Score:3)
Who cares what the White House says? What does Taiwan have to say about it?
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Who cares what the White House says? What does Taiwan have to say about it?
They're pretty upset in general. Just like any place, there are some small numbers of crazy people and in this particular case I would call people who actively want Taiwan to become part of China right now if not sooner by the term "crazy". But such people aren't in large numbers, but they do exist. I'd say they're maybe 1% of the population at most. Now, you do need to understand that similar to how in the USA the Republicans and Democrats have demonized each other, Taiwan has a similar situation wher
Re: Exactly. (Score:2)
You mean anyone who *doesn't* do so, but sure. My point is that China is requiring this of all airlines regardless of nationality so why the focus on the US? Omitting Taiwan's response is typical US myopia.
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Sorry I thought you meant does so as in does make such a law. My bad.
Soft Power (Score:5, Insightful)
Essentially the Chinese have learned the mantra "Speak softly and carry and big stick." American government has done just the opposite.
For instance - making comments like XXX will suffer consequences, or "our nukes are bigger than yours" are exactly the kind of threat that destroys soft power. They are threats that are rarely or never acted upon, and they undermine your credibility.
Our current administration has spent every last big of political capitol that the United States had left. No one is afraid of us. We are no longer the biggest dog in the room, and we continue to put our fingers in too many holes in the dyke rather than picking our battles carefully.
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American government has done just the opposite.
So you're saying Trump speaks bigly and has a soft stick? Sounds about right.
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Appearing crazy is a soft power in and of itself.
If Trump threatens disproportionate retaliation for not letting US companies use Taiwan, China will believe him.
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Not really. You can speak however you want but the reality is that everyone knows the limits as to what will ultimately happen unprovoked. Trump is a big talker nothing more. China, Iran, NK, etc have no reason to believe any of the vitriol that actually comes from Trump.
The reality is that his actions are either completely back flipped from what was said, or are phased in slowly e.g. the tariffs.
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The reality is that his actions are either completely back flipped from what was said,
"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your [insurance] plan, you can keep your insurance plan."
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Appearing crazy is a soft power in and of itself.
If Trump threatens disproportionate retaliation for not letting US companies use Taiwan, China will believe him.
The whole DPRK and Helsinki debacles have shown the world that all you have to do is make vague assurances not backed by substance and laud Trump with platitudes and tell him how great he is and he will walk away happy and saying how successful he was while you go on doing whatever you were doing. The US has turned into the dog that barks at you from the window but runs away when you walk up to the door.
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The whole DPRK and Helsinki debacles have shown the world that all you have to do is make vague assurances not backed by substance and laud Trump with platitudes and tell him how great he is and he will walk away happy and saying how successful he was while you go on doing whatever you were doing.
You mean the DPRK debacle where the US gave them lots of money to stop doing nuclear weapons and they kept developing nuclear weapons? That debacle? That wasn't Trump.
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They rarely threaten or comment without taking action. Their financial situation and power affects every country in the world.
In fact, they're big enough that non-action is quite effective. After the independent Nobel committee gave Liu Xiaobo the Peace Prize in 2010 they basically put the relationship to us here in Norway in the deep freezer for six years. No political talks, no new trade agreements, creating new business relations was near impossible and existing ones were languishing. Nothing so overt as to cause a formal complaint, we were simply unwanted. We refused to give any sort of apology, they refused to relent. Eventua
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Our current administration has spent every last big of political capitol that the United States had left. No one is afraid of us. We are no longer the biggest dog in the room, and we continue to put our fingers in too many holes in the dyke rather than picking our battles carefully.
Our current administration is the only one in decades to even begin to do the slightest thing to challenge their accumulation of soft power.
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Local Customs (Score:3, Insightful)
An American Airlines spokeswoman said in a statement: "Air travel is global business, and we abide by the rules in countries where we operate."
In some countries they require women to wear burkas so American Airlines is planning this for all their female stewardesses and pilots world-wide?
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In some countries they require women to wear burkas so American Airlines is planning this for all their female stewardesses and pilots world-wide?
I do recall hearing something about flights to certain countries requiring that female crew wear at least a headscarf. There were also restrictions on where the crew may go and what they do while in the country. This caused problems for the airlines, of course. I might have to look this up, I recall an airline (from France?) allowing female crew to opt out of flights to these Muslim countries. This is highly unusual as the airlines typically just tell crew which flights they will work.
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I think I read the same article you did. I recall the Air France stand on the matter, and thought they did a magnificent job of standing up for civilized conduct in a world where increasingly, drooling fanatics are being allowed to call the shots.
As far as I'm concerned, if a country wants to cover women in mobile tents, forbid vaccinations and birth control, or engage in any of a dozen other behaviours that essentially spit in the face of science, free speech, individual freedom and other keystones of a f
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And yes, I'm going to ignore the low-hanging fruit about whether some US states would fall under such a ban if it were instituted on less than a country-wide basis.
Dearborn, you mean?
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In some countries they require women to wear burkas so American Airlines is planning this for all their female stewardesses and pilots world-wide?
Companies abide by the rules set out by the destination country in which they operate and fight them on legal grounds. There are plenty of countries that require women to wear burkas, there are very few (or rather none that I know about or could find in a quick google) that require foreigners to do so in airports.
There are also plenty of airlines around the world that require their staff to wear appropriate dress at the destination e.g. In the news nowish is Air France fighting with it's union (like it alwa
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Two points... (Score:4, Interesting)
First of all, this is yet another example of supposed "Free World" corporations knuckling under to a totalitarian dictatorship because it's profitable to do so.
Perhaps less obvious is that in order to stay airworthy, the planes those airlines fly depend on cheap Chinese-made parts, and cut-rate labour in places like Singapore and Indonesia. Does anybody here believe an airline that stood up to China would continue to enjoy access to those lovely, cheap replacement parts? Would maintenance hubs like Singapore even pretend to stand up to China if they said Carrier X or Y was on its "shit list"?
Can't two play at this game? (Score:4, Insightful)
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No, because they're free nations. China can only do this because it is not.
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Perhaps less obvious is that in order to stay airworthy, the planes those airlines fly depend on cheap Chinese-made parts, and cut-rate labour in places like Singapore and Indonesia.
It is less obvious because it is not true. While the labor may be cheaper in Singapore or Indonesia, the "cheap Chinese-made parts" won't allow any US flag or operated airline to keep its aircraft "airworthy". Counterfeit parts are a problem, and a reason to ground a fleet if they are found in significant numbers. If a fatal crash occurs and the NTSB finds a "cheap Chinese-made part" was the cause, the airline will be facing huge lawsuits from the heirs.
Also, Singapore and Indonesia, if they are providing
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This is precisely why we should get rid of for profit enterprises and run every business democratically.
They have a name for that, it is called communism
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So when it comes to having a chance to live in a total surveillance society where privacy is a quaint memory and the truth is whatever government-controlled media tells you it is...I guess we can put you down for an enthusiastic, "Yes!"
Geolocation? (Score:4, Insightful)
Entertainment companies trip over themselves to use geoblocking: Prime video, Netflix, even YouTube movie trailers are locked down by geography. How come airlines are so hesitant to use geolocation to identify the jurisdiction of whom they are serving.
Present Taiwan as a part of China in China (or wherever local laws demand). Present it as an independent country elsewhere. A Chinese national using aa.com when visiting Taipei should see 'Taipei, Taiwan'. When he's back in Beijing, aa.com should show him 'Taipei, China'
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How come airlines are so hesitant to use geolocation to identify the jurisdiction of whom they are serving.
You're making two huge assumptions there.
1) Airlines already geoblock quite extensively providing different prices depending on your source.
2) China is not interested in what its citizens see, it's interested in what the world sees. Geoblocking doesn't resolve this.
White House couldn't do anything... (Score:3)
President Xi and I will always be friends, no matter what happens with our dispute on trade. [twitter.com]
Trump is besties with Xi, what could he do?
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Emperor for life, control of the media, every utterance considered infallible... Trump must admire Xi bigly.
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It's not Trump it's a general policy of many countries.
Most of Africa, Asia, and Eastern Europe do not recognise Taiwan (Republic of China) as a separate country at all.
Most of the west recognise that Taiwan exists informally but support a One China solution formally recognising only the People's Republic of China and having either no diplomatic relationship with the ROC or sharing the diplomatic relationship only with the PRC.
Given most of the world takes one stance on this, I'm surprised Trump isn't off s
Orwellian Nonsense? (Score:2)
Czechoslovakia is part of Greater Germany... (Score:3)
...and the National Socialist government will punish any airline that says otherwise.
Stop buying from, going to, or meeting with China. Isolate them, cut them off, destroy their government; save a billion people from oppression.
Abide by the rules ... of other countries? (Score:2)
It's a given that you have to abide by the rules of countries you want to make business with. But abiding by rules of countries other than the one you want to land in?
So, technically, if Trump throws another hissy fit and wants you to call Mexico "Spicistan" from now on in your destinations, you'll comply?
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It's a given that you have to abide by the rules of countries you want to make business with. But abiding by rules of countries other than the one you want to land in?
If you don't think that American Airlines, and US airlines in general, don't want to land in PRC you are woefully ignorant of the global aviation marketplace.
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The American Airlines want to land in Taiwan. And China is making rules about that. That is the point.
Wrong. PRC is making laws regarding how airlines REFER TO airports in Taiwan. They are making no rules regarding landing in Taiwan. Airlines are complying because they want to retain landing rights IN PRC.
This has nothing to do with landing in ROC.
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This is exactly what I posted. If (China|the US) want them to refer to (Taiwan|Mexico) as (“Taipei, Taipei”|Spicistan), will they simply bend over and comply?
They can still land in Mexico. All they have to do is call it Spicistan if they also want to land in the US.
Prime Directive (Score:2)
> An American Airlines spokeswoman said in a statement: "Air travel is global business, and we abide by the rules in countries where we operate."
The Federation has always hidden behind the non-interference Prime Directive. While they wash their hands of it they hide behind some noble purpose --- However the Prime Directive was established to protect indigenous native cultures, not level 5 civilisations. It shouldn't apply here.
Why is this difficult? (Score:2)
Add $500 billion in tarriffs if China retaliates against US airlines, combined with tit-for-tat x10 to Chinese airline dealings in the US.
Orwellian nonsense? Tell CNN (Score:2)
News was not reported on this because the White house Blocked CNN from attending the new conference, all because the White house doesn't like CNN.
Orwellian nonsense?! Pot... Kettle?!
Taiwan opinion? (Score:2)
Taiwan government position has always been that there is only one China,and that they are the legitimate government. PRC has the same exact opposite position.
Hence Taiwan should side with Beijing here. What is their opinion?
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What do you have against Winnie the Pooh?
Re:Solution (Score:4, Interesting)
Here's a quick list of human rights abusing dictators the US has installed or supported or both over the last 70 years or so: Franco in Spain
Suharto in Indonesia
Hussain in Iraq
Pahlavi in Iran
Pinochet in Chile
various Somozas in Nicaragua
Ubico & Castillo Armas in Guatemala (among others).
Marcos in Philippines
Frankly that's just off the top of my head without thinking about it too much.
If you think manufacturing is coming back to the US you don't understand how multinational corporations work.
But based on you wanting to nuke China I am pretty sure you don't understand much.
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Are you saying all that "endowed by their creator" stuff isn't real?
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United Fruit (as just one example) made Guatemala an absolute hellhole for the locals for most of the 20th century. With the help of the US Marines.
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Who needs shit like that when you've got guns and a bible?
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And the US response should be that they will impose some unspecified sanctions on all airlines that do not refer to Taiwan for flights to that country and see what response they get.
So the proper response to an edict from a totalitarian government overreaching its span of control is to become totalitarian and overreach our span of control, too?
It is interesting to see how we accept behaviour from China
I think it is AA that has the prayer about changing what you can, accepting what you can't change, and the ability to know the difference.