Feds Bust CEO Allegedly Selling Custom BlackBerry Phones To Sinaloa Drug Cartel (vice.com) 115
An anonymous reader shares a Motherboard report: For years, a slew of shadowy companies have sold so-called encrypted phones, custom BlackBerry or Android devices that sometimes have the camera and microphone removed and only send secure messages through private networks. Several of those firms allegedly cater primarily for criminal organizations.Now, the FBI has arrested the owner of one of the most established companies, Phantom Secure, as part of a complex law enforcement operation, according to court records and sources familiar with the matter. "FBI are flexing their muscle," one source familiar with the secure phone industry, and who gave Motherboard specific and accurate details about the operation before it was public knowledge, said. Motherboard granted the sources in this story anonymity to talk about sensitive developments in the secure phone trade. The source said the Phantom operation was carried out in partnership with Canadian and Australian authorities.
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Well if you'd read the article you would know that they actually market these phones for criminal uses.
It's not as simple as our phone is super secure, they went as far as outright telling people they designed it for illicit use.
Re:Why is this illegal? (Score:5, Insightful)
Oh OK. So because they actually designed for illicit use then the encryption and lack of camera and mic is illegal.
What they SHOULD have done was market the phones for use for clergy. "Officer, these phones were designed to take remote confessionals. Now fuck off and may the Lord be with you!"
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Which is why FBI, CIA, and NSA members should never travel abroad. Tor was designed specifically for the illicit use of supporting dissidents and facilitating their own anonymous clandestine activities at home and abroad. Too bad Germany doesn't try pushing for the extradition of the NSA chief for their spying on Germany's Chancellor. Of course, no doubt the US would have reason t
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yours not the child should be modded up. The article pretty much states that phantom was complicit with the cartels even offering to remote wipe if they needed it. It is one thing to market a phone, quite another to be complicit in its usage. The summary is not very good about making the point of just how involved phantom was. But given this is /., no one reads the article.
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Selling things to a criminal is not, itself, a crime. Just because encryption can be used in concert with a criminal act does not make encryption a criminal act.
Dude, selling stuff to criminals so that this stuff, once used as intended, they commit a criminal act, is in itself criminal I guess. If you sell a knife to a criminal so that this criminal can stab someone, you then become part of the problem that must be stopped
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Exactly. I agree with bogaboga. Some common-sense moral evaluation can tell us that this is immoral, and from there we can infer that if it isn't illegal, it probably should be.
It's immoral for at least the following reasons:
Aiding and Abetting (Score:2)
Despite you being modded down, you're correct. It's aiding and abetting. The Uber driver who drove the Parkland shooter to the high school did not break the law. However, if somebody drove the Parkland shooter to that school in order to help him perpetrate the shooting, the driver would have broken the law, even though driving itself is not an illegal act. Slashdot people are so fucking stupid, often.
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However, if somebody drove the Parkland shooter to that school in order to help him perpetrate the shooting, the driver would have broken the law,
And if they drove the Parkland shooter there having No Knowledge of his intentions, but marketed their Uber service generally as "a quick way to travel to or from potential crime scenes without attracting the attention of the police?"
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Yeah, I think that would count as aiding and abetting too. Especially if they then said that if their clients are arrested, they will remotely wipe the history of that passenger's trips to the gun store and site of the shooting.
Re: Why is this illegal? (Score:2)
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If you build strong encryption because you are a curious sort, that is not immoral.
If you want to help people keep the powers that be from filching through your papers without a warrant, that is not immoral, even if it makes warranted searches difficult.
If you want to keep dissidents in dictatorships free, that is heroic.
If you create encryption so common crooks can get away with it, that isn't.
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Re:Why is this illegal? (Score:5, Insightful)
They don't want to stop drug trafficking and end cartels, they just want to stop drug trafficking and cartels that they do not control and profit from.
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They don't want to stop drug trafficking and end cartels, they just want to stop drug trafficking and cartels that they do not control and profit from.
Bingo.
Additionally, what made this company a target was not that they sold secure phones to drug cartels. The US government works to prop up drug prices for the cartels and protect their markets. US leaders receive kickbacks through offshore accounts while simultaneously creating a drug-addicted and violent society too focused on surviving in the chaos and getting the next fix to be politically-active and push back against expanding government authoritarianism. If that CEO and his company would have stuck e
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Wow!! You want to start taking the little pink pills next time, the ones you are using aren't helping.
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Medellin refers to a time when one group controlled every aspect of the drug trade, providing a measure of order that we could control. And until somebody finds a way to convince 20% of the population to stop snorting and smoking that shit, order's the best we can hope for. And what you saw up there, was Alejandro working toward returning that order.
Matt the CIA agent from Sicrario.
You're missing the point of the American Drug war (Score:3, Informative)
The sad thing is that the proof and the history are out in the open an nobody seems to care. A few college kids might but they grow out of it.
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Re:Why is this illegal? (Score:5, Insightful)
Cartel members buy toilet paper, tacos, beer and car window tint too. Selling things to a criminal is not, itself, a crime.
I'd suggest reading TFA, which is actually both less sensational and more damning than the cheap clickbait Slashdot version.
The short version is that they arrested the CEO of a company which proactively markets its services to criminal organizations. The company performs perfectly legal activities: they mod phones to remove camera, GPS, web browsing, etc.; add secure messaging software; and then operate a remote Enterprise Mobility Management server that the phones are connected to so they can manage remote wipe/lock/whatever. That second half is the problem: it's not a "fire and forget" operation of just selling a modded phone. It's doing the EMM bit of acting as the IT department of criminal organizations ("call us to wipe your phone if your dude gets arrested") knowingly and willingly, to the extent of the CEO saying "we made this for drug traffickers."
Long story short: you're right, selling legal stuff to criminals that they use for illegal activity: not a crime. But marketing your services specifically to be used in illegal activities: yes, a crime.
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The short version is that they arrested the CEO of a company which proactively markets its services to criminal organizations.
HSBC provided banking services to terrorists - actual, blow things up and kill people terrorists - and no CEO went to jail for that.
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Google also offers a remotewipe feature for all Android phones, and I'm pretty sure Apple offers the same for iPhones. Why aren't their CEOs sharing a cell with this guy?
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Easy. Apple, Google, HSBC offer their services to everyone. Any John, Dick and Harry can buy a phone and get those services. HSBC will do banking with anyone.
This company specifically only dealt with drug deale
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Capital offense? You are obviously an idiot.
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Marijuana = safer than aspirin.
Large scale cultivation of marijuana carried the death penalty under US law, even without a proven death involved. Note that this provision has never been tested in court, and might be struck down if anyone is sentenced under it. US courts tend to frown on the death penalty for crime not involving murder.
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You dont have to smoke it bro.
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How do we know Kirk didn't use "edibles" as an excuse to shoot his wife and get away with an insanity defense? Besides, alcohol makes people more violent on average.
As far as the African student, people do stupid things on booze too. Can't make the world 100% safe.
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And you know, you talk about I presume marijuana reform, but the real key critical component to reducing p
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This is from the Us criminal code, USC 1807:
"To obtain a federal forfeiture, the Government must prove the forfeiture and the connection between the property and the crime by a preponderance of the evidence. Forfeiture may be applicable to property that is traceable as proceeds of the offense, that facilitated the offense, or that was involved in money laundering. All claims of interest or ownership in the property, such as property owned by third parties, are resolved in a single trial."
The principal that
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If you make a phone that's secure and market it that's not illegal. If you have a drug cartel come and ask you to customize a phone just so they can evade the cops that's a different matter. I'm surprised how lazy the cartels are. They've got tons of cash, they can afford to hire some bright guys to come up with their own communication system. I'd keep all that in house anyway, you can't trust these CEOs not to sell you out.
Do you hate OCD people? (Score:2, Offtopic)
You're missing a space after the period!
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Actually, you're missing two spaces... [gocomics.com]
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The "two spaces" thing has been dead since the birth of HTML.
Should tell you something (Score:1)
Authorities don't appear to be worried if criminals use off the shelf smartphones. Hmmm.
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Yes they are, haven't you heard Wray's recent comments about encrypted smartphones? That's about off the shelf iPhones and Androids. They're trying to make reasons to force laws to be implemented, that will then force technology firms to give them the back doors into our encrypted devices.
By the government's view, no citizen should be allowed to keep anything private from them. This is a fascist view, and very dangerous for everyone in the modern age.
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That needs more effort to stop the feds from turning on the camera, mic at the OS level, not just keeping app level data encrypted.
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What was once DROPOUTJEEP quality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] is now a local police contractor malware on the cell phone method.
That CEO is a [reckless] moron (Score:5, Insightful)
How else would I call a fella who says the following to anyone?
“We made it—we made it specifically for this [drug trafficking] too,”
As he reportedly told undercover agents...
One conclusion: "Moron."
Re:That CEO is a [reckless] moron (Score:5, Interesting)
How else would I call a fella who says the following to anyone?
“We made it—we made it specifically for this [drug trafficking] too,”
As he reportedly told undercover agents...
One conclusion: "Moron."
He may be an idiot but looking at this from a SIGINT point of view I have to ask myself: Why the hell did they arrest the guy? If they had a lick of sense they'd have flipped him, spiked the phones with some innovative spyware and then done the same to every single supplier of custom phones to the Sinaloa Drug Cartel, and Los Zetas, and Los Templarios, ... etc. They could not only be listening in on their comms, they could be tracking thousands of these bozos in real time mapping their smuggling routes, safe houses, factories, labs, ...
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He may be an idiot but looking at this from a SIGINT point of view I have to ask myself: Why the hell did they arrest the guy? If they had a lick of sense they'd have flipped him, spiked the phones with some innovative spyware ...
IANAL, but my suspicion is that there are too many legal complexities involved in doing that. They would be tainting the evidence or something similar.
Just look at all of the blow back over the Playpen operation and the spyware that was used there.
That's the difference between law
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Re: That CEO is a [reckless] moron (Score:2)
Making using encryption a crime (Score:1)
This will now be used as a reason to make all use of encryption, by anyone, into a crime. Be ready for the authorities to start arresting anyone who uses encrypted e-mail, or messaging, as well as encrypting their smartphones. The War on encryption is being escalated, we need to be ready.
Re:Duterte (Score:5, Insightful)
The Coca farmers are often poor peasants -- are you advocating napalming families who are just getting by?
As far as Mussolini, he ended up strung up upside down, hanging from a gas station sign like a trussed turkey. "Hanged and quartered" by his own people. Hope that happens to many world leaders in the near future. Murderers like "Duterte Harry", and "Wannabe Stalin" Lukashenko would be good starts.
In short, you Russian troll, feck off, get MRSA of the scrotum from a FSB-run hooker.
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LOL, liberal butthurt detected. Get lost, imbecile.
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Yeah, if you are a poor peasant, then you are relieved of any moral obligation not to fuck up kids in other countries. In the U.S., we call them Evangelicals, not peasants.
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A kid in america can deccide if it uses heroine or cocaine.
A peasent in south america can not decide not to take a farm job, first they may kill him for not tskkng the job and secondly his kids will starvve if he does not take the job.
No idea why your mind is so fucked up that you don't know how retarded your drug policy is (and how retarded your south america 'monroe doctrine' was. Letting the CIA destroy every legaly elected government and leaving the land for the war lords and drug barons, now you ccompl
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The fist... (Score:1)
They incriminated themselves (Score:1)
Nothing would have stuck if they hadn't marketed it specifically for criminal activities and admitted as much to the undercovers. Of course, the feds did throw in a Sinaloa cartel witness to reinforce it. All this company had to do was watch their tongues with their shadier clientele and NOT tell people that it's expressly designed to break the law. Should have just said that "Well, technically it probably could be used for such purposes but Phantom Secure does NOT endorse such activity! If you need us to r
Sign me up (Score:2)
Hell, I'm not a criminal nor a Cartel member but the idea of a portable device without GPS, a mic or cameras that can send encrypted messages to anyone I wish sounds nice.
Personally, I think all phones should have a hardware switch that disables the above forced features unless folks elect to opt in by enabling said switch.
Our intelligence community would have an absolute cow about it though.
Where can I get one ?
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Some type of "computer" to enter the encrypted message. Dont keep encrypted messages and plain text around. Dont keep decrypted messages around on paper.
On spy did that in the 1940's as it was the way she was educated for crypto. When caught she had a book of past messages in plain text to read.
Stay away from anything with a mic, camera, US branded software, OS made in the USA.
The US brands sh
What happened to freedom? (Score:1)
Should it really matter who I sell to or who I tell about products im offering? Can we can the sale of these devices to pharmeucital companies that make opoid products? Can we make sure "medical" marijuana dealers are not encrypting their traffic so we can make sure they really are legit?
Whack-a-mole anyone? (Score:2)
From TFA:
Law enforcement agencies have cracked down on other encrypted phone companies allegedly catering to organised crime over the past few years. In 2016, Dutch investigators arrested the owner of Ennetcom, whose customers allegedly include hitmen, drug traffickers, and other serious criminals. And then in 2017, Dutch authorities also busted PGP Sure, which also allegedly catered to organized crime.
So they've been going after companies doing this for a while now.
But also:
Crucially, the complaint alleges that Ramos and Phantom were not simply incidental to a crime, like Apple might be when a criminal uses an iPhone, but that the company was specifically created to facilitate criminal activity.
So if a company can make the case their wares are 'dual use' and they're not responsible for how it's used, they can keep making this stuff. Nice work FBI, you just taught everyone how to avoid you coming after them, or at least how to defend themselves in court. Oops.
Of course we've been playing this game with a variety of technologies, the first that jumps to mind is BitTorrent, which is quite an impressive piece of techn
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The GCHQ never told the UK police and courts of their methods to listen into all of Ireland.
UK police, courts, media, press could only guess at informants and spies having some role in UK special forces successes all over Ireland and in other nations supporting Ireland. The GCHQ only shared its collection results with the UK mil and Royal Ulster Constabulary Special Branch.
What does the USA do?
Tell the op
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The GCHQ knew Ireland had generations of well placed supporters in the UK police, courts, telcos, legal profession, media, press and parts of the UK gov.
So any results of phone and other communications detection stayed in the GCHQ, Royal Ulster Constabulary Special Branch and UK special forces.
The UK even understood to use its own mil to do the collection and never trusted security cleared
Another win for the War on Drugs .. (Score:2)
Re:Another win for the War on Drugs .. (Score:4, Interesting)
The banks are watched. There was a reporter who investigated the Zetas and their connections in the U.S. Their biggest problem is laundering their money. If the banks were bought off, they wouldn't have that problem.
It turns out a good place for them to launder funds is the horse industry. Much of it is done though untraceable cash and personal communications. Rich idiots like to own horses that compete in races, but they do not want to let their fellow rich idiots know what horses they are going to use to enter races, so they buy and sell through intermediaries.
Too bad Sessions and his merry band of illegal alien children chasers don't want to go after the horse people, rich people can fight back. Illegal alien children can't, so naturally he goes after them. I rather miss him in his Senate hearings where he'd always salt any panel of "experts" with dingbats who believed what he does.
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The banks are watched.
You'd think that right? Go watch the Dirty Money episode 'Cartel Bank'. Then let me know when you're ready to go burn down your nearest HSBC....
This article is absurd! (Score:2)
This article just stinks. Blackberry? Those went out of style long ago. This is just some sort of fear mongering article trying to make the FBI sound like they're in the right about encryption. There are plenty of other phone manufacturers offering completely secure phones with recent hardware and software. And of course the guy just happens to conveniently admit to selling mostly to the cartel. Next he'll confess to selling to ISIS too and we'll have that "Ah ha, see! This is why we have to break encryptio
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> And to assume that the cartel in Mexico doesn't have the technical know
> how and skill to do this themselves, that they require an American
> company in the US to do this for them? Are we to assume the cartel is that
> dumb? Disabling the cameras, microphones, gps and installing encryption
> software on your phone is not difficult to do. The fact that they setup
> their own facilities to pack their product, we are to assume they can't
> start their own small facility to secure their phones
Replicant.us (Score:2)
If you want to librefy/mangle your phone so that it de-blobs LineageOS to not rely on proprietary firmware, the Replicant project is it.
Of course half the hardware mightn't work but RMS will be impressed. :)
Then of course there's the Librem 5 phone which aims to use libre hardware as far as practicable.
langauge is fun! (Score:2)