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Paris, Madrid, Athens, Mexico City Will Ban Diesel Vehicles By 2025 (bbc.com) 243

The mayors of four major global cities -- Paris, Mexico City, Madrid and Athens -- announced plans to stop the use of all diesel-powered cars and trucks by 2025. The leaders made their commitments in Mexico at a biennial meeting of city leaders. BBC reports: At the C40 meeting of urban leaders in Mexico, the four mayors declared that they would ban all diesel vehicles by 2025 and "commit to doing everything in their power to incentivize the use of electric, hydrogen and hybrid vehicles." "It is no secret that in Mexico City, we grapple with the twin problems of air pollution and traffic," said the city's mayor, Miguel Angel Mancera. "By expanding alternative transportation options like our Bus Rapid Transport and subway systems, while also investing in cycling infrastructure, we are working to ease congestion in our roadways and our lungs." Paris has already taken a series of steps to cut the impact of diesel cars and trucks. Vehicles registered before 1997 have already been banned from entering the city, with restrictions increasing each year until 2020. The use of diesel in transport has come under increasing scrutiny in recent years, as concerns about its impact on air quality have grown. The World Health Organization (WHO) says that around three million deaths every year are linked to exposure to outdoor air pollution. Diesel engines contribute to the problem in two key ways -- through the production of particulate matter (PM) and nitrogen oxides (NOx). Very fine soot PM can penetrate the lungs and can contribute to cardiovascular illness and death. Nitrogen oxides can help form ground level ozone and this can exacerbate breathing difficulties, even for people without a history of respiratory problems. The diesel ban is hugely significant. Carmakers will look at this decision and know it's just a matter of time before other city mayors follow suit.
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Paris, Madrid, Athens, Mexico City Will Ban Diesel Vehicles By 2025

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  • waiting for the kill
  • by Jay Maynard ( 54798 ) on Friday December 02, 2016 @11:42PM (#53413167) Homepage

    You'll get my 2008 Mercedes ML320 CDI diesel when you pry the key from my cold, dead fingers.

    • You'll get my 2008 Mercedes ML320 CDI diesel when you pry the key from my cold, dead fingers.

      The only people who expect to outlive their car are those with terminal illnesses.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      You can keep it, you just won't be allowed to drive it into the city.

      Look, I know you like it, but you have to consider the harm it does to other people too... And there are some awesome EVs you could replace it with.

      • There are some awesome EVs you might replace it with. I live in rural Minnesota. EVs won't cut it for me, especially since I take long trips away from Interstates.

        • There are some awesome EVs you might replace it with. I live in rural Minnesota. EVs won't cut it for me, especially since I take long trips away from Interstates.

          And do you drive quite often from rural Minnesota to Paris, Madrid, Athens or Mexico City?

          Or to LA, SF Bay area, NYC, DC etc for that matter, if large US cities decided to introduce similar restrictions?

          Or are you just posting to declare how the article has absolutely no relevance to you? Because if everyone posts to every article just to point out that it has nothing to do with them and they have no opinion that's relevant to the topic then the SNR around here would be even lower than it is.

  • ...which is used as a diesel substitute in diesel powered cars
  • Stupid (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Sam36 ( 1065410 )
    There is no current replacement for a diesel. It is more efficient than gasoline. If you think that 400HP diesel engine in a bus pollutes a lot, just wait until you replace it with the equivalent powered gasoline engine. There is no alternative. You cannot haul loads of people or freight on batteries... This decision to ban is probably completely lobbied for.
    • by fnj ( 64210 )

      You cannot haul loads of people or freight on batteries

      Logic and reality means nothing to these officious, ignorant twits. They just pass laws requiring vehicles to get a billion mpg and one part per trillion trillion trillion of "pollution". We'll see what happens when everybody in these hovels starts to die because their food can't even begin to be delivered.

      Those who built the industrial revolution would toss their cookies to see their offspring committing mass suicide by throttling themselves to death a

      • Logic and reality means nothing to these officious, ignorant twits.

        This, a thousand times, this.

        but you forgot to add self-important politicians - times 10,000.

      • by Minupla ( 62455 )

        You cannot haul loads of people or freight on batteries

        Logic and reality means nothing to these officious, ignorant twits.

        Yes, because ad hominem attacks are the solution to our problems. If only there was a solution for moving people without desiel, but such a thing is obviously not possible right?

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

        Min

      • by DogDude ( 805747 )
        ... or just keep doing what you're doing and die of cancer at an early age. Standard of living is irrelevant if you're not living, you twit.
    • There is no current replacement for a diesel.

      Natural Gas for trucks.
      Electric, Natrual Gas, or Petrol for cars.

      You see I don't need to think. I can just look. Many countries have gas infrastructure in place (including much of western europe with every other service station already offering a fillup point), and some countries are well on the way to this already. e.g. Australia has replaced busses and large government vehicles in all major cities with nat gas for a good 10 years already because it was cheaper and far far cleaner than diesel, despite what

      • You keep pushing for electric and natural gas on this thread, do you own an electric car? Do you know how much it costs just to rent the battery?

        Most people don't care about the emissions, if they cared most people would ride bicycles, what most people do is look at how much the car costs, how much it costs to run and how much it costs to keep it running properly. If people want drivers to look at electric cars seriously make them cheaper to buy and to run than their internal combustion variants.

        I drive

        • You keep pushing for electric and natural gas on this thread, do you own an electric car? Do you know how much it costs just to rent the battery?

          Nope, but my neighbour does, and so do 4 other people in the street. The cost to rent the battery is zero. The battery is purchased and depreciated just like the rest of the vehicle. This works out much cheaper than equivalent cars over the life of the car due to the high cost of diesel combined with the extremely low cost of maintenance for an electric vehicle. Add to that the lack of emission taxes and you can see why the number of electric cars in the world is currently undergoing exponential growth.

          Most people don't care about the emissions

          *cou

          • The cost to rent the battery is zero. The battery is purchased and depreciated just like the rest of the vehicle. This works out much cheaper than equivalent cars over the life of the car due to the high cost of diesel combined with the extremely low cost of maintenance for an electric vehicle.

            Not where I live, as I told you, using the manufacturer's simulators the electric was simply not an option for me.

            *cough* Yeah look most people *cough cough* don't give a shit about the *cough* environment. Sorry it's all the emissions in the air.

            Yeah, tell that to the Asians, we mess the environment up while boosting our economies with low cost, highly polluting fuels, but no, you can't do that, have fun buying a new clean car with your monthly 100 dollars.

            Stretching much? No demand for second hand new technology that is currently undergoing exponential growth in a world where more and more diesel and petrol engines are being banned? I'll bet you a Marsbar that the resale value of a diesel is far lower than the resale value of an electric car in 10 years time.

            Not stretching at all, if we make the lifetime ownership cost a car the resale value is relevant. If I were a betting man I would take that bet, 10 years go by very fast. A 2012 Nissa

        • I keep saying this:

          I'll drive an EV when it can carry the load my ML320 does (or, if you like, an Explorer or Trailblazer or Grand Cherokee) for at least 300 miles on and off Interstate highways at freeway speed (70+ MPH) with adequate power reserves for passing, then be ready to do it again in 15 minutes, repeated indefinitely. Oh, and I have to be able to buy it used for $15K or so.

          The technology is nowhere close to that yet.

          • by DogDude ( 805747 )
            Luckily, your extreme selfishness doesn't determine the world's environmental policies.
    • I fully agree with you (sorry about having deleted my previous upvote with this comment :)), there is no solid reason for preferring gasoline over diesel. Both alternatives are equivalent(ly bad for the environment) and have their pros and cons, although Diesel got a bad name (not sure why). Thermodynamically speaking and as you rightly pointed out, the Diesel cycle [wikipedia.org] is more efficient than the Otto cycle [wikipedia.org] (not exactly used by modern gasoline engines, but useful for comparison purposes).

      Some years ago, I did
      • actually, a diesel engine can be cleaner than gasoline engine with the correct tech. Definitely to be preferred in that case though there are cleaner hydrocarbon alternatives. Of course, electric vehicles powered by properly designed coal plant is even better

        • a diesel engine can be cleaner

          It is difficult to tell what is more or less clean, mainly when talking about Diesel/gasoline. They are very different on many fronts, including the type of pollutants they generate (BTW, Diesel engines are more efficient and, consequently, generate less CO2, by assuming that you consider this a pollutant, not the case with many people). Telling which unhealthy emission is better or worse isn't easy and, in any case, most likely irrelevant; these issues are rarely defined according to science/reason, but by

  • I can't help but be a little amused at all the people saying cities could never ban Diesel because there's no acceptable alternative.

    There is, of course, just not for long-haul trucking.

    There's two ways goods get delivered by truck in a city. One is the big semi comes right into town with its container. The other is that the semi goes to a transit hub somewhere around the periphery of the city and offloads its cargo into smaller trucks.

    In either case, the answer is simple: detach the container at a hub a

  • The case of Paris is interesting since France has oddly favored diesel for years, using tax incensives.
  • I am a supporter of alternative fuels but currently there is no choice. It will take time to introduce choice. Electric sounds great but it is totally impractical for many people who need their car for work. Who wants to stop for 2 hours to recharge every 2 hours while on a 6 hour drive? Not everybody has a garage where they can charge their car, most people just park in the street. Petrol does have some advantages over diesel but diesel also has many advantages over petrol. Hydrogen etc. are far too

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