Google Announces Support of the Controversial TPP (recode.net) 231
An anonymous reader writes: Google has announced in a blog post Friday their support for the controversial Trans-Pacific Trade Partnership (TPP). Recode reports: "The trade agreement includes key provisions about the global passage of digital data, intellectual property and copyright -- measures that have drawn criticism from both the political right and left, including several outspoken tech groups. Google's endorsement isn't exactly full-throated, but its stake clearly demonstrates another key area of support with the Obama administration, to which Google is close." Google's SVP and general counsel Kent Walker wrote: "The TPP is not perfect, and the trade negotiation process would certainly benefit from greater transparency. We will continue to advocate for process reforms, including the opportunity for all stakeholders to have a meaningful opportunity for input into trade negotiations." The company has already shown support of the TPP behind the Internet Association, which endorsed the trade agreement in March. Google joins a list of other tech titans, like Apple and Microsoft, who have shown their support as well. The Electronic Frontier Foundation calls the TPP a "secretive, multinational trade agreement" that will restrict IP laws and enforce digital policies that "benefit big corporations at the expense of the public." The TPP is still awaiting congressional approval after being signed in February.
No suprise (Score:5, Insightful)
The TPP was written by corporations, for corporations. No surprise that Google supports it. We need a revolution in this country.
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We need a revolution in this country.
Here's your problem. Most of the millennials, who are being screwed the hardest by this unholy alliance of corporations and government, have never even handled a gun. They don't know how to use guns and even if they did they're far too craven to actually stand up and fight. Voting, as we have all seen, is useless because the corporations pay both sides. Bernie Sanders was the only major candidate so far in my lifetime who wasn't bought and paid for by the corporations, but the people were too stupid to nomi
Re:No suprise (Score:5, Insightful)
We need a revolution in this country.
Here's your problem. Most of the millennials, who are being screwed the hardest by this unholy alliance of corporations and government, have never even handled a gun. Basically, we're screwed.
Stop being so damn defeatist. You don't need a gun and you don't need violence, you need a pen. All you need to do, en masse, is get off your lazy ass and start lobbying politicians directly. Stop watching hours of moronic TV, get on your computer, fire up a word processor and start writing letters and tell them exactly what you want.
All of these paid lobby groups are minorities gambling that you will continue to sit there and have that exact attitude. There is no need to troll the politicians, be respectful and they will listen as 1 letter means about 100 people think that way, to them. That means 100 votes, and votes are currency just as much as money is to a politician as 100 votes is enough to make a difference in an election. I have had unexpected success on issues with politicians just by telling the *how* to address my concerns.
There is a reason why the adage goes The pen is mightier than the sword. Exercise your democratic right, stop whining and participate in your own future.
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Stop being so damn defeatist. You don't need a gun and you don't need violence, you need a pen.
Ahh, the old canard about the pen being mightier than the sword. Guess what? It's a lot more difficult to use properly, and the American public has been undereducated for decades.
All you need to do, en masse, is get off your lazy ass and start lobbying politicians directly.
Is that what they told you? You really are special, aren't you?
Stop watching hours of moronic TV, get on your computer, fire up a word processor and start writing letters and tell them exactly what you want.
Look, kiddo, someone needs to explain to you how American "democracy" works, and it's not like this. The way it works is that you get a big bag of money, you enclose a bill for your pet congresscritter to sponsor, and then you mail it off to them. Shortly thereafter, yo
Re:No suprise (Score:4, Insightful)
You're very right about how the current system is screwed, but it's also exactly the reason the guns and bullets solution is likely to fail. The same money that buys politicians will also buy a lot more guns and ammo than the opposition can muster. And replacing "money makes right" with "might makes right" doesn't seem like a step forward to me.
Even as undereducated as we are, we need to find a better way.
Re:No suprise (Score:4, Interesting)
The better way is to make the politicians fear the public again. Start voting out the idiots in office. Show them that if you screw up and start favoring the corps, you're history.
However, with American complacency at its highest ever (probably), they don't have anything to fear. Keep giving them their XBone, Netflix, Food Stamps, and Social Security and all your little servants will be content. Feed them useless entertainment news about Bieber and the latest outrage about some LGBT bathroom scandal, and by the time they drop the news that they are bending you regarding your rights, you're too tired to fight it because you've been arguing about if a naturally born male should be allowed in a female bathroom.
To back up mjm, guns brings out bigger guns. If you haven't noticed, Police departments have ex-military vehicles now. They can withstand a revolution better than you or I can. They have the armor to defend themselves.
Start getting pissed off and vote your congresscritters out. Then you may watch them start listening again.
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So vote one idiot out of office allowing the other idiot to have a turn? I am sure the two idiots will be fine with that arrangement.
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The better way is to make the politicians fear the public again. Start voting out the idiots in office.
Again with this drivel? With the exception of an incredibly difficult and rare recall, you can't VOTE SOMEONE OUT OF OFFICE. You can only vote someone in. Take a look at the recent Democrat primary for an example of an entrenched power supported by the media establishment keeping that power.
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You are correct in saying that government can buy WAY more guns, but you are forgetting something very important.
I, perhaps like some of you, served in the military. There is one thing which I would say at least 90% of the military members would not do. Turn their guns on Americans. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
I would say that the military members are MORE likely to turn their guns on the government if such an order was ever given. I know I would have.
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Not on "real red blooded Americans" maybe, but on blacks, gays, Muslims, transgender people, atheists, Mexicans...?
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It's a lot more difficult to use properly, and the American public has been undereducated for decades.
So what's your excuse? Have you tried?
Is that what they told you? You really are special, aren't you?
No, that's what I *did*, and have been *doing* for over 15 years. Including as much of the TPP my verge of vomit exhaustion could possibly absorb recently, even knowing it was proba
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Stop being so damn defeatist. You don't need a gun and you don't need violence, you need a pen.
.... and the American public has been undereducated for decades.
Well, that is dictatorship 101. That is literally step 1. Keep you people too stupid to understand what's going on. Limit education to the ruling class. If you allow the dirty masses to become educated, ensure that it enslaves them in a mountain of dept.
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These days most of those letters would be printed. Cursive is no longer taught in US schools, or at least the ones in this state. I can see some high brow congressman being mightily impressed with a thousand "D.e.a.r. M.i.s.t.o.r. C.o.n.g.r.e.s.m.a.n." letters.
Re: No suprise (Score:5, Interesting)
What an insufferable twat. You really think you have it all figured out don't you?
Nobody likes having their illusions shattered, but yours (and the GP's) are fucking stupid, and you need it.
What I achieve and what you *think* I achieve are not the same thing. People getting involved and writing letters also means *they* get educated and the politicians know they are under observation because they know they won't get away with something unnoticed. Maybe, just maybe, they will do something or not do something.
I have no illusions to shatter, I know this system is corrupt and that what I am doing will probably fail. Reading and writing about these laws helps you see exactly what is going on behind the scenes and to understand what is going on because there are as much lessons in failure as there are in success. Frankly, it's more interesting than anything on the TV. You know the system as corrupt the difference is I have some ideas as to the depth of that corruption where it is and hasn't reached.
As you rightly pointed out, education. It starts with people educating themselves about what is going on, what is not reported in the news and, actually reading Bills that are drafted. Look at Burr-Feinstein and encryption, there was enough resistance to knock that over because it was stupid. However what you don't realize is that is the first round in this battle not to decrypt communications, but to record meta data through the definitions of data drafted in the bill - which will survive elsewhere because they went virtually unnoticed this time around. Has your cynicism produced enough insights to understand the state of play and look for where it will come up again?
The covert police state is revealing itself because the American Empire is on the verge of collapse and desperate to maintain control. Desperate sick animals are dangerous and often lash out. If you read the TPP you would see that it is a battering ram to legally pillage every country that is forced to interact with American corporations through ISDS. The TPP aims to spread the American Empire with desperate times and suffering ahead. We are in this together, are you prepared?
You say what I am doing is 'fucking stupid', but you have little idea why I do it. I don't accept anything you have said here. I have resisted the urge to patronise you in return because I read your posts when I see them and I respect your opinions but for all your vitriol I think you are criticizing me because you are afraid and I don't blame you, so am I.
What is your suggestion? What do you *do*? What have you done? Do you even have an answer?
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The only to stop this kind of thing, is to take away the power of the politician to make laws at all. Sorry, but Bernie wants to add laws.
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Which one? The one who supports TPP or the other one who supports TPP?
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Which one? The one who supports TPP or the other one who supports TPP?
Unfortunately, I know you are right. As hopeless as I thought it was, I still tried because at least the politicians will have to live with knowing that what they did is public record. It's also about what you learn in the process.
OMG, that is addorable!! (Score:3)
Seriously, that is so freaken cute that you think your government gives one single fuck what you write or think. They don't.
You think they give a single fuck if they are voted out? Why should they? They get their pay for life. They will always have a high paying job when they are out of office because of the favors that they sold to their corporate masters.
There are VERY few politicians who are willing to go against ruling class. Regardless of your letters.
No, your letter will make no difference at all. The
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Seriously, that is so freaken cute that you think your government gives one single fuck what you write or think.
It doesn't matter what they think, all that matters is what you *do*.
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I didn't live in the american revolution, I live in the 21st century. My concerns are with the here and now.
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get off your lazy ass and sit down to write a letter ROFL
Ahh, the moral superiority of a coward.
Re:No suprise (Score:5, Interesting)
Revolution does not mean violent revolution; we are talking about a political revolution. Of course, now that Sanders appears to have lost the nomination the only real chance is for the electorate to demand he run as an independent or for the Greens. I know he doesn't want to, but maybe the case can be made that he owes his country a real option.
There will of course be people who whine about him 'splitting the vote', by which they mean giving people an actual choice to support a candidate that isn't a member of the One Party; the one bought and paid for by corporations. We thought Obama was that candidate. He wasn't. He lied.
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Sure he'll split the vote. But not just Democrats. There are plenty of Never Trump Republicans, too.
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Many of the "never Trump" repugs will end up voting for Gary Johnson on the Libertarian ticket. Far more than would ever cross over and vote for Bernie if he ran with the Greens or similar left-wing 3rd party.
Bernie and Jill Stein represent a fundamental critique of the capitalist system that it would be very hard for most Republicans to get behind.
Re: No suprise (Score:2)
We don't have a capitalist system for them to critique. They use capitalism as a bogeyman to drive people to support the imposition of their system.
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I have a better solution. No matter who you are or where you live, vote out your sitting congressman and senator. If you're not willing to do this, then you aren't as upset with the status quo as you're pretending to be.
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If you vote in a twin who does the same, vote them out too. Eventually, the lesson that acting against the interest of your constituents will not get you reelected will sink in.
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I honestly suspect Sanders always knew his presidential campaign was a longshot. I think the only reason he's campaigning so hard is to preserve and build influence over the party platform and to keep similarly-inclined voters engaged.
Now comes the endorsing o
Re: No suprise (Score:2)
Don't you think it's possible for trump to bring revolution? He is certainly the most anti-establishment candidate of my lifetime. He puts Bernie, a career government official and politician to shame in that regard.
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We thought Obama was that candidate.
But somehow that doesn't stop you from believing that Sanders is "the one?" Hint: "the one" doesn't exist.
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At the moment Trump says he is against TPP but this is the same guy who was against the right to bear arms before he supported it.
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Can I ask you something? Why didn't you use your gun to stop the "unholy alliance of corporations and government" from forming in the first place? Why is it the millennials job to fix it after the fact, while you (and those of your generation) were asleep at the wheel?
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Sanders paid for by Google, MS, Apple, Amazon (Score:2)
> Bernie Sanders was the only major candidate so far in my lifetime who wasn't bought and paid for by the corporations
According to his FEC filings, Sanders is paid for by Google, Amazon, Apple, Microsoft, and by the post office (tax money).
https://www.opensecrets.org/po... [opensecrets.org]
Bernie also has quite a few illegal contributions:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/... [usatoday.com]
Clinton is paid for primarily by Wall Street. As I recall, 8 of her top 10 donors are investment firms.
Reality TV star Donald Trump has largely paid for
66% from corporate, 34% from execs, employees (Score:2)
> These are the employees donating, not the companies. Kind of a big difference, right?
Using Sander's largest listed contributor as an example, the corporation itself donated about twice as much of the PAC money than the executives and other employees. Most of the money, 2/3rds, is direct from the corporation.
> Or maybe you're against the employees of any company donating to a candidate?
I'm not against any legal donations, whether from one person or from a group of people. I find it rather strange tha
Guns won't work (Score:2)
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Clinton is going to win and she will sell out the young in a heartbeat to cut deals with the corporations
There's this guy called Donald Trump who happens to oppose shit like TPP.
But of course he sais some bad about the Religion of Death, so he must be a racist bigoted evil literally Hitler.
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What leads you to believe that the millennials are getting screwed the hardest? Of all the age groups, I would say they get hit the least hard, right after retirees.
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Her party nomination will survive an indictment. Running a solidly establishment candidate under criminal investigation is preferable to the establishment over running Sanders and most partisan Democrat voters will vote for her (especially over Trump) to keep her position safe. If the investigation makes any progress, she'll be pardoned before she's found guilty of anything.
The only risk is that Sanders runs as an independent and spoils her vote, but I'm sure that there are mechanisms in place to mitigate t
Re: No suprise (Score:2, Insightful)
Northern Ireland is perhaps not the best example for your argument against plebian gun ownership. The Irish won their freedom from the yoke of English tyranny through force of arms.
Re:No suprise (Score:4)
We need a revolution in this country.
Which country? The TPP has more than just the USA signature on it.
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Re: No suprise (Score:2)
When is anyone going to suggest that we hold the President accountable for it? If you obamabots had held his feet to the fire it wouldn't have passed.
You're not gonna get a revolution (Score:2)
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"... opposed legislation that could help curb it."
And the legislators follow striclty the principle of "by the people for the people" - 6 words - a basis for democracy the US was once built on - sure - nowadays falsified to "for the corporations against the people", and there is no end to all this abuse.
This sucks beyond anything imaginable!
What was the reason for independence from EN?
Experienced and felt abuse in many instances.
Sounds familiar? Write to your legislators in plain language a letter to their home address that they are corrupt and no longer
Don't be evil... (Score:3)
Don't be evil... unless it gets in the way of profit.
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Google is out of their fucking minds (Score:5, Insightful)
Just like the 200+ comments on Hacker News [ycombinator.com], another news aggregation site with a very tech-savvy demo, you will have to look really hard to find anyone who supports the TPP.
The EFF has written extensively how digital rights [eff.org] are negatively affected by this.
The TPP is bad, bad, bad, and it's been fast tracked for passage with no debate/oversight. Hopefully there will be a SOPA-like outcry against it that shuts it down. All three Dem/GOP presidential candidates claim to be against it (but we'll see how long that lasts). Not sure about libertarian candidates.. somehow I suspect they'll take the more traditional "free trade" perspective, but maybe I'll be delightfully surprised.
Too bad Google's on the wrong side of history here.
Re:Google is out of their fucking minds (Score:5, Informative)
it's been fast tracked for passage with no debate/oversight.
Fast track does not mean "no debate", it just means that the deal has to be either accepted or rejected by congress. It cannot be amended or changed. That is the only workable way to do it. It is an agreement between a dozen countries. If the legislature of each country is able to nitpick and send it back for renegotiation, then there is no way anything will every get done.
Even if congress could change the agreement, that wouldn't help, since the worst crap in the TPP was put there at the insistence of American corporations and interest groups. Most likely congressional amendments would make it even worse.
Not sure about libertarian candidates.
Gary Johnson is opposed to the TPP. He supports free trade in principle, but does not support the TPP.
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Gary Johnson is opposed to the TPP. He supports free trade in principle, but does not support the TPP.
I voted for Johnson last time around and I agree with a lot of libertarian ideas.
One thing I ponder, though, is if libertarianism is a lot like communism in some ways -- the idealized version of it is great, but due to the stupid nature of people you can't ever really have the idealized version of it, all you actually get is the crap version of it. Free trade is never going to be free trade, it's going to be a TPP version of free trade, for example.
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One thing I ponder, though, is if libertarianism is a lot like communism in some ways -- the idealized version of it is great, but due to the stupid nature of people you can't ever really have the idealized version of it, all you actually get is the crap version of it.
Sokath, his eyes uncovered! It is good to see that I'm not one of the few that like the ideas of Libertarianism, but know it will fail almost instantly upon implementation.It relies upon 100 percent high intelligence and 100 percent ethhical and honest people.
But it isn't alone, capitalism assumes that as soon as someone achieves success, they won't try to turn every advantage to themselves. Any pure ism fails very quickly.
Except perhaps pragmatism, because it picks and chooses what actually works. The
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Decently put. I'm in the same boat.
I was going to disagree with you about capitalism, but the wiki on free-market capitalism says that it includes some intervention where necessary to keep the market set by supply/demand (e.g. no monopolies). So it kind of depends on which definition of capitalism you go with.
I actually like Capitalism. But it seriously has to be protected from itself, as do most idealistic concepts. Because it kills itself very quickly. A system based on greed - or better put, the concept of doing well for yourself will almost always shake out to the greediest, after they get ahead of others, wanting to alter the game so they make more, or in pathological cases, all of the money.
As for the definition of capitalism, it has been corrupted, and altogether too many politicians have bought into it. The old "class warfare" pejoratives that used to be trotted out any time someone complained about excesses were the highlight of the one sided supply side argument.
Somewhere along the line, we forgot that the best way to have producers become wealthy was to have people have the money to purchase their goods.
Maybe this is why there's been a push lately to not teach algebra in schools. THe idea that an equation has two sides is dangerous thought.
Re:Google is out of their fucking minds (Score:5, Insightful)
Too bad Google's on the wrong side of history here.
Considering history is written by the winners and all the rich and powerful are in favor of TPP, I wouldn't bet on it. Google's on top now, they make lots of money and can deal with the overhead of the DMCA, the "right to be forgotten" and various rules and requirements. They know their startup competitors will struggle more than they do, it's securing their own business.
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Too bad Google's on the wrong side of history here.
The right side of history is determined by the winners.
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In the US there will be no outcry. Fuckers are too lazy.
However, there has been massive protests about it in Europe. Several politicians over here have promised to kill it no matter what.
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The one which the President and every last fucking Congressman swore a solemn oath to uphold and defend, that's what Constitution. Everyone participating in this act is participating in a brazen act to overthrow our nation.
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The US Government has been in a constant state of treason for since JFK was assassinated.
Arguably, ever since Lincoln, or at least since FDR and his (successful) threat to pack the SCOTUS with extra Justices in order to pass portions of his Great Society plan that were blatantly unconstitutional and over which the then-current SCOTUS/Justices in the majority were not willing to allow to pass judicial muster. The SCOTUS caved to FDR, or we might have 14 or more SCOTUS Justices today rather than 9.
Then there was Wilson who racially segregated the US armed forces when they were not racially segreg
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As a hard-core liberal I have to say... (Score:5, Insightful)
Google has been sucking President Obama's cock since the day he took office. Their people have visited the White House just about weekly since he started work.
President Obama, like President Clinton, is a hard-core right wing conservative masquerading as somebody who gives a fuck about anybody who doesn't pull down a $30 million per year salary. Hillary Clinton will be exactly the same.
Google is backing Obama, Clinton and the TPP because all of them are bought and paid for by people who want to put you in jail if your 10-year-old kid downloads a Disney song.
That's not hyperbole, by the way.
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Many of us who call ourselves "conservative" do not consider the term to imply mercantilism, corporatism, or a belief in the effectiveness of top-down economics.
It would be helpful in political discussions if the ideas weren't conflated.
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Many of us who call ourselves "conservative" do not consider the term to imply mercantilism, corporatism, or a belief in the effectiveness of top-down economics.
It would be helpful in political discussions if the ideas weren't conflated.
It would help if people hadn't kidnapped the word conservative. I'm a Goldwater type conservative, which is much closer to the actual meaning, whereas today, it just means as long as you claim to be conservative, you can support a theocracy that demands rights over others rights, and socialism for your pet projects - and you hate chocolate people.
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Well said!
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Point taken.
Sadly, the "conservative" brand has been subsumed, for the most part, by people who are motivated by exactly those things, as well as fundamentalist-style religion. I have friends who, like you, are truly conservative. They are more than a little frustrated by this.
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Of course not. Anything that might serve to ease the downward pressure on the wages of legal workers would be anathema to her. For that matter, Trump has made extensive use of illegal, barely-paid workers in his hotels. The only way he'd build a wall is if there was already a tunnel under it.
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I dunno, Obama's appearance on the Tonight Show recently makes him look like a fun enough sort of guy, outside of politics. Probably would be more fun to be aroudn than your funless, hyper-serious ass.
And Dubya Bush is by all accounts a nice guy with a good sense of humor. I believe that.
The black and white world of castigation politics would have us believe both these guys torture puppies and eat newborn babies for breakfast.
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I wish I was allowed to up-mod comments connected to mine. You are so right about that.
What a coincidence... (Score:3)
Just after Google is apparently skewing search results for Clinton, they suddenly come out in support of a position that she's strongly in favor for. Just coincidence right? The number of coincidences going on with tech companies these days is just pretty amazing. There of course is another story on this [freebeacon.com] with google saying it's true gov' we're not skewing anything. [washingtontimes.com] It's almost like when twitter started suspending non-feminists for objecting to the use of #killallmen, [archive.is] but feminists still use it to this day without any problems.
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It has long been understood that Google can, on their own, massively influence the outcome of any election.
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Wow just about every post your write you manage to find something to complain about about feminists.
Really? Well my post history is public feel free to check. Seems to me you're more upset that people are being critical of feminism then actually dealing with the problems that are currently on-going with it. Or are you saying that #killallmen is okay? Would you be fine with #killallniggers?
You are really obsessed and should probably get out more.
Nice projection.
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And then get him fired from his job, and find his house and break into it and murder him.
That sounds entirely reasonable.
BRB.
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That sounds entirely reasonable.
BRB.
It's reasonable for gawker [medium.com], and threat's [reddit.com]and doxing [skepchick.org] are [reddit.com] okay with feminists too. [reaxxion.com] Along with getting people fired because reasons. [wired.com]
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By the way, if you're trying to persuade someone of something it's best not to go full crazy and link all the nuttiest things you can find.
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By the way, if you're trying to persuade someone of something it's best not to go full crazy and link all the nuttiest things you can find.
Can't help it. That is the non crazy that modern feminists face out to the world. Right, you caught that didn't you? Modern feminism has basically boiled down to shirking harpies screwing about 1st world problems. Those names? Are also big names, either having been directly screwed over, are the ones spouting the garbage. You can turn your back on it all you want, but normies are seeing this insanity now and looking if not running away.
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He has a lot of time alone to sit and think about how angry women make him. He sees them having fun with other guys and quickly becomes enraged and starts finding ways that the 'feminist agenda' is keeping him down and lonely.
Nice projection. Too bad you couldn't post pseudo-anonymously or anything right? That's okay, I understand not wanting to be targeted for holding a contrary opinion. No, no. Don't worry, you're doing a fine job of show why so few women actually call themselves feminists, and why they have such a huge image problem. What? You don't understand? Oh it's called ideological blindness.
Funny how instead of actually sticking to something at hand it will always revolve around a couple of things: "They're lon
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Well, all that proves is you're about as barking mad as he is. I take the piss about him being completely obsessed with feminists and you read that lot into it.
wow.
Now they deserve (Score:4, Funny)
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No developer in the world deserves that Google loses to Oracle in the API lawsuit.
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Despite the hype stories, we'll still be able to use Java even if Oracle wins.
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You can't deserve to have a matter of law on an unrelated topic
Would it make you feel better if I said, "They deserve to have a comet smash into their Mountain View headquarters?" Cosmic justice knows no logic, do not presume to argue with the divinations of karma.
Im pretty sure the party they mostly like... (Score:5, Interesting)
Im pretty sure the party they mostly like is the prohibition on countries demanding data for their citizens be stored in the respective country so that the local militarized police can go in and demand access to it at any time. A lot of the other things they are not so happy about, but are willing to swallow a lot of bad things in order to get that in as a binding provision. Most people don't want to have to be building data centers all over the planet which can then be seized the next time a local politician thinks it would be neat to own a supercomputer. They also want to be able to migrate and replicate data outside the country in question to avoid downtime.
Ew, didn't know that was there (Score:3)
Make something the foreigners want (Score:2)
We are the most advanced nation on the planet and probably even the galaxy. how is it that we can't have a trade surplus against China .. Germany has one and they don't have any tariffs on Chinese goods and in fact Germans per capita buy more Chinese crap than Americans. China buys a lot of manufacturing equipment and high tech stuff from Germany .. so Germany actually has a trade surplus.
WE are ripping off China by buying stuff on credit and having a deficit with them what good are a bunch of I.O.Us to the
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Europe has import taxes on about anything, ranging from 10% to over 20%. In particular end-consumer products are taxed very high. On top of that comes sales tax etc, making a lot of things way more expensive than anywhere else in the world.
A recent example is the solar-panel industry. It was said china was 'dumping' solar panels. Read: the prices were dropping so it was getting very interesting for private persons to install solar installations on their roof top, even without any subsidy at all (as lot of c
heck yeah they support TPP (Score:2)
TPP (and TTIP) read by who? (Score:3)
TPP and TTIP (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership) were written by the corporations and US government, so they've read the "trade deal". Meanwhile in Europe, hardly any politician has read TTIP, it's guarded like a top secret military document, no copies exist "on the outside". So how are most of Europe's politicians, ESPECIALLY the UK, in favour of signing TTIP?
Sounds to me like politicians are being blackmailed, given kickbacks, or both by the US government or corporations, either in money, or directorships in US company subsidiaries once the European politician leaves office.
The Apple Methodology (Score:2)
Fuck Karma, Hillary was (is) backing this too! (Score:5, Informative)
Fool me once, shame on Hillary
1980's-1992: Served on board of Walmart, union buster. Nobody there ever heard her support unions.
1990's-early 2000's Hillary: I support my husband's push for NAFTA
Democrat Party supporting Unions: This is (provably) not good for us
2007-2008 Election season Hillary: I think NAFTA was a bad idea and I oppose free trade with Columbia
2007-2008 Hillary supporters: Hillary is allowed to change her mind (sound familiar?)
Fool me twice, shame on me
2011: Emails show she LOBBIED Congress to push for free trade with Columbia, which passed!
2012-2014 Hillary: I'm fully behind the Trans Pacific Partnership (she said this publicly 45 times claiming this is the 'gold standard') [cnn.com]
(NOTE AFTER SHE SAID NAFTA WAS BAD!)
Democrat Party supporting Unions: This is not good for us [pbs.org]
Sanders said TPP was not good! [senate.gov]
2015-2016 Election season Hillary: I'm (now) against the Trans Pacific Partnership
Shillary will be "pivoting" back toward TPP (Score:2)
right on schedule in late July, as soon as the convention is over, and the threat that Bernie represents has been defused. Same for fracking, minimum wage increase, and the other issues that the Sanders campaign was able to force her to tilt leftward on in the primary.
Hopefully, enough "Bernie or Busters" will head over to Jill Stein that enough threat will remain to keep her from COMPLETELY selling the progressive wing of the party out, at least until she actually wins the presidency. At which point, prepa
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Our definition of a good politician is the same as everybody else's: once bought they stay bought and she cannot even do that right.
Vote trump (Score:2)
He is the only one left willing to stop this BS.
Trade Deals Are Great (Score:2)
Whatever happened to (Score:2)
"Don't be evil"
? :(
The TPP isn't perfect...Then GET IT PERFECT FIRST! (Score:2)
Because, here in the US, we have a long, nasty history of implementing really shitty, terribly worded laws that cause endless suffering and hardship for people. And trying to get these shitty laws modified or (heavens forefend) revoked, is orders of magnitude less pleasant than having perfectly healthy teeth removed, sans anesthesia, via your urethra.
Do it RIGHT the first time or don't fucking do it! Because these asshats KNOW it's not going to be modified later. It's too much trouble to do so!
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This.
If Google is in favor of something, you can be fairly sure it's not something you want as an free individual and z citizen - even without reading what it's about. Me, that's my metric for determining whether or not I should support something without delving into the details.