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Google Announces Support of the Controversial TPP (recode.net) 231

An anonymous reader writes: Google has announced in a blog post Friday their support for the controversial Trans-Pacific Trade Partnership (TPP). Recode reports: "The trade agreement includes key provisions about the global passage of digital data, intellectual property and copyright -- measures that have drawn criticism from both the political right and left, including several outspoken tech groups. Google's endorsement isn't exactly full-throated, but its stake clearly demonstrates another key area of support with the Obama administration, to which Google is close." Google's SVP and general counsel Kent Walker wrote: "The TPP is not perfect, and the trade negotiation process would certainly benefit from greater transparency. We will continue to advocate for process reforms, including the opportunity for all stakeholders to have a meaningful opportunity for input into trade negotiations." The company has already shown support of the TPP behind the Internet Association, which endorsed the trade agreement in March. Google joins a list of other tech titans, like Apple and Microsoft, who have shown their support as well. The Electronic Frontier Foundation calls the TPP a "secretive, multinational trade agreement" that will restrict IP laws and enforce digital policies that "benefit big corporations at the expense of the public." The TPP is still awaiting congressional approval after being signed in February.
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Google Announces Support of the Controversial TPP

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  • No suprise (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 11, 2016 @03:03AM (#52293793)

    The TPP was written by corporations, for corporations. No surprise that Google supports it. We need a revolution in this country.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      We need a revolution in this country.

      Here's your problem. Most of the millennials, who are being screwed the hardest by this unholy alliance of corporations and government, have never even handled a gun. They don't know how to use guns and even if they did they're far too craven to actually stand up and fight. Voting, as we have all seen, is useless because the corporations pay both sides. Bernie Sanders was the only major candidate so far in my lifetime who wasn't bought and paid for by the corporations, but the people were too stupid to nomi

      • Re:No suprise (Score:5, Insightful)

        by MrKaos ( 858439 ) on Saturday June 11, 2016 @04:02AM (#52293927) Journal

        We need a revolution in this country.

        Here's your problem. Most of the millennials, who are being screwed the hardest by this unholy alliance of corporations and government, have never even handled a gun. Basically, we're screwed.

        Stop being so damn defeatist. You don't need a gun and you don't need violence, you need a pen. All you need to do, en masse, is get off your lazy ass and start lobbying politicians directly. Stop watching hours of moronic TV, get on your computer, fire up a word processor and start writing letters and tell them exactly what you want.

        All of these paid lobby groups are minorities gambling that you will continue to sit there and have that exact attitude. There is no need to troll the politicians, be respectful and they will listen as 1 letter means about 100 people think that way, to them. That means 100 votes, and votes are currency just as much as money is to a politician as 100 votes is enough to make a difference in an election. I have had unexpected success on issues with politicians just by telling the *how* to address my concerns.

        There is a reason why the adage goes The pen is mightier than the sword. Exercise your democratic right, stop whining and participate in your own future.

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by drinkypoo ( 153816 )

          Stop being so damn defeatist. You don't need a gun and you don't need violence, you need a pen.

          Ahh, the old canard about the pen being mightier than the sword. Guess what? It's a lot more difficult to use properly, and the American public has been undereducated for decades.

          All you need to do, en masse, is get off your lazy ass and start lobbying politicians directly.

          Is that what they told you? You really are special, aren't you?

          Stop watching hours of moronic TV, get on your computer, fire up a word processor and start writing letters and tell them exactly what you want.

          Look, kiddo, someone needs to explain to you how American "democracy" works, and it's not like this. The way it works is that you get a big bag of money, you enclose a bill for your pet congresscritter to sponsor, and then you mail it off to them. Shortly thereafter, yo

          • Re:No suprise (Score:4, Insightful)

            by mjm1231 ( 751545 ) on Saturday June 11, 2016 @09:02AM (#52294485)

            You're very right about how the current system is screwed, but it's also exactly the reason the guns and bullets solution is likely to fail. The same money that buys politicians will also buy a lot more guns and ammo than the opposition can muster. And replacing "money makes right" with "might makes right" doesn't seem like a step forward to me.

            Even as undereducated as we are, we need to find a better way.

            • Re:No suprise (Score:4, Interesting)

              by starblazer ( 49187 ) on Saturday June 11, 2016 @09:46AM (#52294623) Homepage

              The better way is to make the politicians fear the public again. Start voting out the idiots in office. Show them that if you screw up and start favoring the corps, you're history.

              However, with American complacency at its highest ever (probably), they don't have anything to fear. Keep giving them their XBone, Netflix, Food Stamps, and Social Security and all your little servants will be content. Feed them useless entertainment news about Bieber and the latest outrage about some LGBT bathroom scandal, and by the time they drop the news that they are bending you regarding your rights, you're too tired to fight it because you've been arguing about if a naturally born male should be allowed in a female bathroom.

              To back up mjm, guns brings out bigger guns. If you haven't noticed, Police departments have ex-military vehicles now. They can withstand a revolution better than you or I can. They have the armor to defend themselves.

              Start getting pissed off and vote your congresscritters out. Then you may watch them start listening again.

              • by Agripa ( 139780 )

                The better way is to make the politicians fear the public again. Start voting out the idiots in office. Show them that if you screw up and start favoring the corps, you're history.

                So vote one idiot out of office allowing the other idiot to have a turn? I am sure the two idiots will be fine with that arrangement.

              • by judoguy ( 534886 )

                The better way is to make the politicians fear the public again. Start voting out the idiots in office.

                Again with this drivel? With the exception of an incredibly difficult and rare recall, you can't VOTE SOMEONE OUT OF OFFICE. You can only vote someone in. Take a look at the recent Democrat primary for an example of an entrenched power supported by the media establishment keeping that power.

            • You are correct in saying that government can buy WAY more guns, but you are forgetting something very important.
              I, perhaps like some of you, served in the military. There is one thing which I would say at least 90% of the military members would not do. Turn their guns on Americans. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
              I would say that the military members are MORE likely to turn their guns on the government if such an order was ever given. I know I would have.

              • Not on "real red blooded Americans" maybe, but on blacks, gays, Muslims, transgender people, atheists, Mexicans...?

          • by MrKaos ( 858439 )
            Wow, you're in a nasty mood aren't you. Look I get the cynicism, I just think there is something else between hopeless and a shoot up. Your reaction has been carefully manicured and it is exactly what the money wants you to think. You have been manipulated. Step out of your fear, grow a pair.

            It's a lot more difficult to use properly, and the American public has been undereducated for decades.

            So what's your excuse? Have you tried?

            Is that what they told you? You really are special, aren't you?

            No, that's what I *did*, and have been *doing* for over 15 years. Including as much of the TPP my verge of vomit exhaustion could possibly absorb recently, even knowing it was proba

          • Stop being so damn defeatist. You don't need a gun and you don't need violence, you need a pen.

            .... and the American public has been undereducated for decades.

            Well, that is dictatorship 101. That is literally step 1. Keep you people too stupid to understand what's going on. Limit education to the ruling class. If you allow the dirty masses to become educated, ensure that it enslaves them in a mountain of dept.

          • Ahh, the old canard about the pen being mightier than the sword. Guess what? It's a lot more difficult to use properly, and the American public has been undereducated for decades.

            These days most of those letters would be printed. Cursive is no longer taught in US schools, or at least the ones in this state. I can see some high brow congressman being mightily impressed with a thousand "D.e.a.r. M.i.s.t.o.r. C.o.n.g.r.e.s.m.a.n." letters.

        • The only to stop this kind of thing, is to take away the power of the politician to make laws at all. Sorry, but Bernie wants to add laws.

        • by Agripa ( 139780 )

          All you need to do, en masse, is get off your lazy ass and start lobbying politicians directly.

          Which one? The one who supports TPP or the other one who supports TPP?

          • by MrKaos ( 858439 )

            Which one? The one who supports TPP or the other one who supports TPP?

            Unfortunately, I know you are right. As hopeless as I thought it was, I still tried because at least the politicians will have to live with knowing that what they did is public record. It's also about what you learn in the process.

        • Seriously, that is so freaken cute that you think your government gives one single fuck what you write or think. They don't.
          You think they give a single fuck if they are voted out? Why should they? They get their pay for life. They will always have a high paying job when they are out of office because of the favors that they sold to their corporate masters.
          There are VERY few politicians who are willing to go against ruling class. Regardless of your letters.
          No, your letter will make no difference at all. The

          • by MrKaos ( 858439 )

            Seriously, that is so freaken cute that you think your government gives one single fuck what you write or think.

            It doesn't matter what they think, all that matters is what you *do*.

      • Re:No suprise (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Hairy1 ( 180056 ) on Saturday June 11, 2016 @04:10AM (#52293939) Homepage

        Revolution does not mean violent revolution; we are talking about a political revolution. Of course, now that Sanders appears to have lost the nomination the only real chance is for the electorate to demand he run as an independent or for the Greens. I know he doesn't want to, but maybe the case can be made that he owes his country a real option.

        There will of course be people who whine about him 'splitting the vote', by which they mean giving people an actual choice to support a candidate that isn't a member of the One Party; the one bought and paid for by corporations. We thought Obama was that candidate. He wasn't. He lied.

        • Sure he'll split the vote. But not just Democrats. There are plenty of Never Trump Republicans, too.

          • Many of the "never Trump" repugs will end up voting for Gary Johnson on the Libertarian ticket. Far more than would ever cross over and vote for Bernie if he ran with the Greens or similar left-wing 3rd party.

            Bernie and Jill Stein represent a fundamental critique of the capitalist system that it would be very hard for most Republicans to get behind.

            • We don't have a capitalist system for them to critique. They use capitalism as a bogeyman to drive people to support the imposition of their system.

        • by mjm1231 ( 751545 )

          I have a better solution. No matter who you are or where you live, vote out your sitting congressman and senator. If you're not willing to do this, then you aren't as upset with the status quo as you're pretending to be.

        • You don't need the presidency. It'd certainly be nice, but I don't think it's where reforms would make the most difference. It's kind of obscene the way people are led by media coverage to believe that the presidential race is the only important one.

          I honestly suspect Sanders always knew his presidential campaign was a longshot. I think the only reason he's campaigning so hard is to preserve and build influence over the party platform and to keep similarly-inclined voters engaged.

          Now comes the endorsing o

        • Don't you think it's possible for trump to bring revolution? He is certainly the most anti-establishment candidate of my lifetime. He puts Bernie, a career government official and politician to shame in that regard.

        • We thought Obama was that candidate.

          But somehow that doesn't stop you from believing that Sanders is "the one?" Hint: "the one" doesn't exist.

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        Can I ask you something? Why didn't you use your gun to stop the "unholy alliance of corporations and government" from forming in the first place? Why is it the millennials job to fix it after the fact, while you (and those of your generation) were asleep at the wheel?

      • Simple minded troll.
      • > Bernie Sanders was the only major candidate so far in my lifetime who wasn't bought and paid for by the corporations

        According to his FEC filings, Sanders is paid for by Google, Amazon, Apple, Microsoft, and by the post office (tax money).
        https://www.opensecrets.org/po... [opensecrets.org]

        Bernie also has quite a few illegal contributions:

        http://www.usatoday.com/story/... [usatoday.com]

        Clinton is paid for primarily by Wall Street. As I recall, 8 of her top 10 donors are investment firms.

        Reality TV star Donald Trump has largely paid for

      • because a modern military would put down a rebellion in a second. And that's before you factor drones in. I've heard it's hard to get troops to fire on citizens. But from what I see all it takes is withholding food, shelter and medicine from their families and "better you than me" sets in. For the record, there has never been a successful violent revolution without the military and all of them ended with a system favorable to the new ruling class (including and especially the American one, where our entire
      • by jez9999 ( 618189 )

        Clinton is going to win and she will sell out the young in a heartbeat to cut deals with the corporations

        There's this guy called Donald Trump who happens to oppose shit like TPP.

        But of course he sais some bad about the Religion of Death, so he must be a racist bigoted evil literally Hitler.

      • What leads you to believe that the millennials are getting screwed the hardest? Of all the age groups, I would say they get hit the least hard, right after retirees.

    • by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Saturday June 11, 2016 @05:25AM (#52294063)

      We need a revolution in this country.

      Which country? The TPP has more than just the USA signature on it.

    • I think that's what the GOP are aiming for. Have you read the latest release from the CIA, "A Simple Sabotage Field Manual"? Reading page 28 onwards looks like the Republicans have memorised and internalised that manual and it's their attempt to provoke a revolution by frustrating the general population of the US. (Would also be useful if you don't like the company you work for). Unfortunately, it's backfired and now they've got Trump as their nominee ;P

    • by hughbar ( 579555 )
      Yes agree. In the UK and Europe TTIP is posing the same problem for us. Negotiations in secret (except probably for lobbyists, Brussels is full of them, I worked there for a decade), lots of spin about 'how good it is' and every leak suggests that it's foul.
    • When is anyone going to suggest that we hold the President accountable for it? If you obamabots had held his feet to the fire it wouldn't have passed.

    • so stop saying that. Vote Left. Vote for the most left leaning (e.g. pro working class) candidate you can get. And keep doing it. Work to shift the country and the world away from oligarchy in steps. It took us 40 years of trickle down economics and oligarchy to get to this point. You're not going to fix it overnight.
    • by no-body ( 127863 )

      "... opposed legislation that could help curb it."

      And the legislators follow striclty the principle of "by the people for the people" - 6 words - a basis for democracy the US was once built on - sure - nowadays falsified to "for the corporations against the people", and there is no end to all this abuse.

      This sucks beyond anything imaginable!

      What was the reason for independence from EN?

      Experienced and felt abuse in many instances.

      Sounds familiar? Write to your legislators in plain language a letter to their home address that they are corrupt and no longer

  • by serviscope_minor ( 664417 ) on Saturday June 11, 2016 @03:14AM (#52293809) Journal

    Don't be evil... unless it gets in the way of profit.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 11, 2016 @03:15AM (#52293811)

    Just like the 200+ comments on Hacker News [ycombinator.com], another news aggregation site with a very tech-savvy demo, you will have to look really hard to find anyone who supports the TPP.

    The EFF has written extensively how digital rights [eff.org] are negatively affected by this.

    The TPP is bad, bad, bad, and it's been fast tracked for passage with no debate/oversight. Hopefully there will be a SOPA-like outcry against it that shuts it down. All three Dem/GOP presidential candidates claim to be against it (but we'll see how long that lasts). Not sure about libertarian candidates.. somehow I suspect they'll take the more traditional "free trade" perspective, but maybe I'll be delightfully surprised.

    Too bad Google's on the wrong side of history here.

    • by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Saturday June 11, 2016 @03:37AM (#52293873)

      it's been fast tracked for passage with no debate/oversight.

      Fast track does not mean "no debate", it just means that the deal has to be either accepted or rejected by congress. It cannot be amended or changed. That is the only workable way to do it. It is an agreement between a dozen countries. If the legislature of each country is able to nitpick and send it back for renegotiation, then there is no way anything will every get done.

      Even if congress could change the agreement, that wouldn't help, since the worst crap in the TPP was put there at the insistence of American corporations and interest groups. Most likely congressional amendments would make it even worse.

      Not sure about libertarian candidates.

      Gary Johnson is opposed to the TPP. He supports free trade in principle, but does not support the TPP.

      • by mcfedr ( 1081629 )
        The only debate has been between those with a vested interest in it happening, and no one else having a look at it
      • by swb ( 14022 )

        Gary Johnson is opposed to the TPP. He supports free trade in principle, but does not support the TPP.

        I voted for Johnson last time around and I agree with a lot of libertarian ideas.

        One thing I ponder, though, is if libertarianism is a lot like communism in some ways -- the idealized version of it is great, but due to the stupid nature of people you can't ever really have the idealized version of it, all you actually get is the crap version of it. Free trade is never going to be free trade, it's going to be a TPP version of free trade, for example.

        • One thing I ponder, though, is if libertarianism is a lot like communism in some ways -- the idealized version of it is great, but due to the stupid nature of people you can't ever really have the idealized version of it, all you actually get is the crap version of it.

          Sokath, his eyes uncovered! It is good to see that I'm not one of the few that like the ideas of Libertarianism, but know it will fail almost instantly upon implementation.It relies upon 100 percent high intelligence and 100 percent ethhical and honest people.

          But it isn't alone, capitalism assumes that as soon as someone achieves success, they won't try to turn every advantage to themselves. Any pure ism fails very quickly.

          Except perhaps pragmatism, because it picks and chooses what actually works. The

    • by Kjella ( 173770 ) on Saturday June 11, 2016 @05:08AM (#52294033) Homepage

      Too bad Google's on the wrong side of history here.

      Considering history is written by the winners and all the rich and powerful are in favor of TPP, I wouldn't bet on it. Google's on top now, they make lots of money and can deal with the overhead of the DMCA, the "right to be forgotten" and various rules and requirements. They know their startup competitors will struggle more than they do, it's securing their own business.

    • Too bad Google's on the wrong side of history here.

      The right side of history is determined by the winners.

    • In the US there will be no outcry. Fuckers are too lazy.
      However, there has been massive protests about it in Europe. Several politicians over here have promised to kill it no matter what.

  • by hyades1 ( 1149581 ) <hyades1@hotmail.com> on Saturday June 11, 2016 @03:17AM (#52293813)

    Google has been sucking President Obama's cock since the day he took office. Their people have visited the White House just about weekly since he started work.

    President Obama, like President Clinton, is a hard-core right wing conservative masquerading as somebody who gives a fuck about anybody who doesn't pull down a $30 million per year salary. Hillary Clinton will be exactly the same.

    Google is backing Obama, Clinton and the TPP because all of them are bought and paid for by people who want to put you in jail if your 10-year-old kid downloads a Disney song.

    That's not hyperbole, by the way.

    • President Obama, like President Clinton, is a hard-core right wing conservative

      Many of us who call ourselves "conservative" do not consider the term to imply mercantilism, corporatism, or a belief in the effectiveness of top-down economics.

      It would be helpful in political discussions if the ideas weren't conflated.

      • President Obama, like President Clinton, is a hard-core right wing conservative

        Many of us who call ourselves "conservative" do not consider the term to imply mercantilism, corporatism, or a belief in the effectiveness of top-down economics.

        It would be helpful in political discussions if the ideas weren't conflated.

        It would help if people hadn't kidnapped the word conservative. I'm a Goldwater type conservative, which is much closer to the actual meaning, whereas today, it just means as long as you claim to be conservative, you can support a theocracy that demands rights over others rights, and socialism for your pet projects - and you hate chocolate people.

      • Point taken.

        Sadly, the "conservative" brand has been subsumed, for the most part, by people who are motivated by exactly those things, as well as fundamentalist-style religion. I have friends who, like you, are truly conservative. They are more than a little frustrated by this.

  • Just after Google is apparently skewing search results for Clinton, they suddenly come out in support of a position that she's strongly in favor for. Just coincidence right? The number of coincidences going on with tech companies these days is just pretty amazing. There of course is another story on this [freebeacon.com] with google saying it's true gov' we're not skewing anything. [washingtontimes.com] It's almost like when twitter started suspending non-feminists for objecting to the use of #killallmen, [archive.is] but feminists still use it to this day without any problems.

    • It has long been understood that Google can, on their own, massively influence the outcome of any election.

  • by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Saturday June 11, 2016 @03:19AM (#52293823) Journal
    Google now appropriately deserves to lose their Oracle case now.
    • by paskie ( 539112 )

      No developer in the world deserves that Google loses to Oracle in the API lawsuit.

      • Nah, if Google lost it wouldn't be so bad, because of the narrowness of the case. See for example [zerobugsan...faster.net].
        Despite the hype stories, we'll still be able to use Java even if Oracle wins.
  • by tlambert ( 566799 ) on Saturday June 11, 2016 @04:10AM (#52293937)

    Im pretty sure the party they mostly like is the prohibition on countries demanding data for their citizens be stored in the respective country so that the local militarized police can go in and demand access to it at any time. A lot of the other things they are not so happy about, but are willing to swallow a lot of bad things in order to get that in as a binding provision. Most people don't want to have to be building data centers all over the planet which can then be seized the next time a local politician thinks it would be neat to own a supercomputer. They also want to be able to migrate and replicate data outside the country in question to avoid downtime.

    • it's got nothing to do with privacy or supporting military states though. It's outsourcing. Expect to see a lot of good IT jobs that are left go off to India and the Philippines. Man I wish tech workers were such a bunch of smarthy asses. We're all convinced we're the one they can't replace. I hear it all the time from my coworkers who've been lucky enough to survive the various rounds of layoffs. I think it comes with the territory in IT. You talk to idiots all day. The dumbest of the dumb who can't open a
  • We are the most advanced nation on the planet and probably even the galaxy. how is it that we can't have a trade surplus against China .. Germany has one and they don't have any tariffs on Chinese goods and in fact Germans per capita buy more Chinese crap than Americans. China buys a lot of manufacturing equipment and high tech stuff from Germany .. so Germany actually has a trade surplus.

    WE are ripping off China by buying stuff on credit and having a deficit with them what good are a bunch of I.O.Us to the

    • by xonen ( 774419 )

      Europe has import taxes on about anything, ranging from 10% to over 20%. In particular end-consumer products are taxed very high. On top of that comes sales tax etc, making a lot of things way more expensive than anywhere else in the world.

      A recent example is the solar-panel industry. It was said china was 'dumping' solar panels. Read: the prices were dropping so it was getting very interesting for private persons to install solar installations on their roof top, even without any subsidy at all (as lot of c

  • google has all those chinese sweatshop made phones & tablets they want to keep flowing over here,
  • by Wowsers ( 1151731 ) on Saturday June 11, 2016 @08:44AM (#52294451) Journal

    TPP and TTIP (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership) were written by the corporations and US government, so they've read the "trade deal". Meanwhile in Europe, hardly any politician has read TTIP, it's guarded like a top secret military document, no copies exist "on the outside". So how are most of Europe's politicians, ESPECIALLY the UK, in favour of signing TTIP?

    Sounds to me like politicians are being blackmailed, given kickbacks, or both by the US government or corporations, either in money, or directorships in US company subsidiaries once the European politician leaves office.

  • It's been interesting to watch the fall of Google. First they drop their "do no evil" motto [siliconvalleywatcher.com], then all developers are told to use macbooks [bgr.com], and it's been a steady decline into doin things like Apple since. They've dropped open standards in favor of proprietary closed ones, they've abandoned the ideals of open source, and heavily adopted the walled garden philosophy. How quickly the Apple methodology has seeped into all American tech companies is really astonishing. I guess that's what happens when millions o
  • by Whatsmynickname ( 557867 ) on Saturday June 11, 2016 @10:15AM (#52294749)

    Fool me once, shame on Hillary
    1980's-1992: Served on board of Walmart, union buster. Nobody there ever heard her support unions.
    1990's-early 2000's Hillary: I support my husband's push for NAFTA
    Democrat Party supporting Unions: This is (provably) not good for us
    2007-2008 Election season Hillary: I think NAFTA was a bad idea and I oppose free trade with Columbia
    2007-2008 Hillary supporters: Hillary is allowed to change her mind (sound familiar?)

    Fool me twice, shame on me
    2011: Emails show she LOBBIED Congress to push for free trade with Columbia, which passed!
    2012-2014 Hillary: I'm fully behind the Trans Pacific Partnership (she said this publicly 45 times claiming this is the 'gold standard') [cnn.com]
    (NOTE AFTER SHE SAID NAFTA WAS BAD!)
    Democrat Party supporting Unions: This is not good for us [pbs.org]
    Sanders said TPP was not good! [senate.gov]
    2015-2016 Election season Hillary: I'm (now) against the Trans Pacific Partnership

    • right on schedule in late July, as soon as the convention is over, and the threat that Bernie represents has been defused. Same for fracking, minimum wage increase, and the other issues that the Sanders campaign was able to force her to tilt leftward on in the primary.

      Hopefully, enough "Bernie or Busters" will head over to Jill Stein that enough threat will remain to keep her from COMPLETELY selling the progressive wing of the party out, at least until she actually wins the presidency. At which point, prepa

    • by Agripa ( 139780 )

      Our definition of a good politician is the same as everybody else's: once bought they stay bought and she cannot even do that right.

  • He is the only one left willing to stop this BS.

  • The shrillness of the anti-trade deal folks on the right and left try to make up in volume what they lack in economics. The USA lost nearly all of its textile jobs two decades ago, and the result was excellent. The textile unions had been unable to recruit younger people to work there, and people had to pay $65 for a pair of USA made blue jeans. Moving those jobs through NAFTA and other deals was uncomfortable for the people who lost those jobs, but 2 decades later it would not have mattered. Google sup
  • "Don't be evil"

    ? :(

  • Because, here in the US, we have a long, nasty history of implementing really shitty, terribly worded laws that cause endless suffering and hardship for people. And trying to get these shitty laws modified or (heavens forefend) revoked, is orders of magnitude less pleasant than having perfectly healthy teeth removed, sans anesthesia, via your urethra.

    Do it RIGHT the first time or don't fucking do it! Because these asshats KNOW it's not going to be modified later. It's too much trouble to do so!

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