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Senator Al Franken Takes On Oculus Over VR Data Mining (engadget.com) 70

An anonymous reader writes: Oculus says in its privacy policy it will track information about your location, physical movements, and how you're using the Oculus Rift headset. Senator Al Franken, a consumer advocate who has made a point of pushing back against invasive privacy policies like Uber's, wrote a letter to Oculus CEO Brendan Iribe, pushing for more information about how, exactly, Oculus is using all of the data it collects. "I believe Americans have a fundamental right to privacy," Franken wrote. "And that right includes an individual's access to information about what data are being collected about them, how the data are being treated, and with whom the data are being shared." Oculus has not yet commented on the letter. As a result from Franken's letter, Oculus may offer a more detailed privacy policy, like what HTC has done for its Vive headset. Though, it's worth mentioning Oculus isn't collecting much more information than most technology companies. The biggest concern stems around what kind of information Facebook is collecting when the headset is not being used -- there's no off button, so it's always sitting in a semi-ready state.
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Senator Al Franken Takes On Oculus Over VR Data Mining

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  • yeah right (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward

    That's rich, this is the same Al Franken that voted to extend the Patriot Act, and is on record defending the NSA's Stazi practices. This is also the same guy that worships groups like the RIAA and MPAA and has supported SOPA/PIPA legislation.

    Franken is a hack, I don't believe for a second he gives a shit about privacy rights, so there must be another reason he's going after the Rift/Facebook

  • Yes, everyone has a right to privacy. And I fail to see the problem, it's not like we have government mandated Oculus Rifts that we have to wear all the time and can't take off. We have the choice to NOT get that shit and tell them where to stick it.

    I don't really see the need for politics to get involved. If anything, it should be required to say that they will do so before you buy it... wait, that's what's already happening, that's what started the whole shit.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm as much pro-privacy as

    • Are smartphones mandatory? No they aren't. But if you don't have a smartphone you might have issues to get friends if you are younger than a certain age, because most of the communication happens over smartphones/smartphone apps.

      Is the pebble watch mandatory by the government? No, it isn't. But if you don't wear it, you won't get insured by some employers. So simply don't take the job, right?

      • Then this is where the law makers should get active and outlaw requiring certain technology for insurance or employment, or enforce privacy protection for youths.

        • This "social only over apps" issue will continue to affect this generation as it gets older. It has nothing to do with youths, just with the availability of technology and youths adapting to new things far more easily.

      • Are smartphones mandatory? No they aren't. But if you don't have a smartphone you might have issues to get friends if you are younger than a certain age, because most of the communication happens over smartphones/smartphone apps.

        Then your prospective "friends" don't much care about the doom-and-gloom pontificating of these privacy violations. You see it as a big deal, sure, but why? I have an oculus at my house, now if they can get this information from it what is the scenario you offer that would convince me to get rid of it?

        • To be honest, my data aren't *this* important for me. The main reason why I prefer open source is control. I don't like software that does what its manufacturer told it, and not what I tell it to do.

          Think of a chat app. What if I want to use it via a desktop application? Should I be required to wait for the manufacturer to write a browser version of it that can be used on the desktop?

          Yes, I admit, I'm not the kind of guy who changes and recompiles some piece of open source software just to scratch some itch

          • Well that doesn't answer the question and you seem to be complaining about a problem that doesn't exist (or at least one that you don't have or understand).
  • It's open ended (Score:4, Interesting)

    by evanh ( 627108 ) on Friday April 08, 2016 @08:48PM (#51872485)

    Mr Franken's question will need to be repeated every month. And that still doesn't necessarily stop the bad behaviour.

    The point of the policy is it's a disclaimer of "You give us permission to take anything we see fit". That means the data gathered and uses of and distribution of change with time.

    I think Mr Zuckerberg is intentionally trying to trigger new laws that set defined limits.

    • by KGIII ( 973947 )

      I don't normally do this and, in fact, I'm pretty sure this is the first time I've ever done this...

      I think Mr Zuckerberg is intentionally trying to trigger new laws that set NO limits.

      FTFY

      I thought about it and yeah, limits would mean he could go so far and no further and would know where his liability would begin as well as present a clear limit for civil actions that may happen at some point. But, I should think his wish for those new laws would be no limits, no limits at all. If he can get that codified then he'd be all set.

      I'm not really sure that I've time to vocalize all of my thoughts on the subject. I also don't really have time for a novella right now.

      I'd like to see them make up-front notification mandatory. I want to say that it should be opt-in and never opt-out. I want to say that you should have a choice. But, doing so means that I take the freedom from the vendor away. I think a vendor should be allowed to track users all they want - so long as the user consents to it. It should be in clear text that is easy to understand. If the vendor wants to make use contingent on that tracking then the vendor should be free to do so. However... The client/customer/user should be aware of this beforehand and be able to make an informed decision. With that, I suppose, we should probably also make notification mandatory that it is optional when it is, factually, optional.

      If Party A wants to buy Product Z and Party A is fully aware that it will track them then Party A should be allowed to do so. Vendor of Product Z should be free to provision that product so long as they have made it clear that data is being collected, why it is being collected, and who will have access to that data as well as how long they'll retain that data. Such information should be clear, factual, and not subject to change by either party without consent by both parties. If Party A transfers the product or service to another then it is Party A's responsibility to inform the new Party prior to the transfer.

      There's a whole lotta party up in there. That's also about as clear as mud. Hopefully it makes sense.

    • Most intelligent people realize that there is no such thing as a free lunch, so the question is: "how is this getting paid for?" Any service that is promoting itself as "free" is misrepresenting itself, and that needs to be addressed.

      Corporations should be required to reveal all the data being collected and how it is used, and consumers should have an option to decline data collection. Furthermore, refusal to offer service to someone that has declined data collection should be considered discrimination an

  • "...what kind of information Facebook is collecting when the headset is not being used..."

    Well yo will have to ask them about that but I do know what is possible, http://www.wired.com/2014/08/g... [wired.com]
  • You know that's *all* the data, right?

  • by WaffleMonster ( 969671 ) on Friday April 08, 2016 @10:38PM (#51872905)

    Wouldn't it be swell if you couldn't buy a normal monitor anymore? If all monitors were "smart" requiring Internet connectivity, call home to their respective manufacturer periodically uploading samples of displayed image to "improve" quality of product, assist with "troubleshooting" and proactive "diagnostics". Information so critical to continuously supporting and improving the product.

    For your safety your smart monitor wouldn't install without an Internet connection, monitor vendor reserves the right to change terms or discontinue your use of monitor "service" at any time. If we change terms you will be given 30 days advanced notice to agree with new terms or lose all access to your monitor service.

    Examples of changes we may make include requiring you to pay a small one time or monthly fee, offering direct advertising to your monitor at no cost to you and mirroring your display to our partners. You agree to provide us with a non revocable royalty free license to use any content associated with our monitor service.

    • by vux984 ( 928602 )

      "Meraki"is that you?

  • Please tell me he posted that as his Facebook update from his Android tablet via the ISP that was retaining all the metadata about his connection while sitting at a coffee house with a local government CCTV camera pointed at him.

  • it's worth looking through the Terms of Service, because there are some worrisome things included

    If you don't like the TOS, then don't buy the gadget! Geez, is that so hard?

    This is kind of creepy! Given that Oculus can collect information about how you move and how you’re shaped. The Facebook-owned company can use your location and log your activity, and it can even do so automatically.

    Every surveillance camera on the street or in a local mall "can collect information about how you move and how you're

    • by Kartu ( 1490911 )

      "Don't like conditions - don't buy it" could apply to pretty much any condition, right?
      Yet there are numerous laws that prohibit this and that in TOC.(e.g. warranty conditions in EU, see Apple's woes in Italy)

      Now, do you think that thas laws are useless/evil/etc or do you think that "don't like - don't buy" might not cut it in some situations?

      • Yet there are numerous laws that prohibit this and that in TOC.(e.g. warranty conditions in EU, see Apple's woes in Italy)

        Yeah, and have you looked at the European economy, European customer service, or European innovation? They suck. And the more we adopt European style laws, the more the US will suck just like Europe. In the US, restrictions on the ability to enter contracts more freely already hurts people badly; we shouldn't let it get any worse.

        And the VR headset is a simple illustration why: you will

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