University Employees Suspended Due To Guest Worker Scandal 209
sethstorm writes: By sponsoring employees for use at an IT staffing firm, Wright State University may have broken new ground in guest worker fraud. According to the Dayton Daily News, 19 individuals were sponsored by the university yet ended up working for WebYoga, a firm controlled by (now-suspended) top Wright State officials. They also cited Wright State's exemptions regarding prevailing wage law and H1-b limits as attractive qualities. This has implications not only for the existing workforce, but to students that see the university putting its own staff ahead of them.
H1-b Visa workers need to cost the companies 2x (Score:5, Interesting)
H1-b Visa workers need to cost the companies 2x what hiring a citizen does. The extra money should go to training for existing, out of work, citizens.
As long as there is financial incentive for this program to be abused, it will be.
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Also forced OT pay of any hours over at 40 at X2 base pay per hour and or remove the H1-B job lock.
What about the places that use staffing / outside (Score:2)
What about the places that use staffing firms / IT contractors? There are lot's of loop holes there.
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Don't allow it. Person must be directly employed on a permanent basis by the company that is registered at that location as the primary business premises.
The equivalent Australian visa is the 457 visa and contractors and staffing / labour hire firms are prevented from using them for onhired staff
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Add in that you must show that you were offering at least as much as the H1-B gets paid and that he (or she) actually has all of the qualifications that were listed as requirements when the job was advertised.
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All of that should be part of the visa submission.
Of course there will be people that rort the system. But the ease should be low and the penalties severe enough to make it a poor decision.
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Or you could simply make the visa submission a legally binding open job offer. It gets published for some reasonable amount of time, and if a local appears who you can't prove before a court doesn't meet your written qualifications, they get the job or a year's pay at going market rate as severance. Also, if no locals can be found the visa holder is also entitled to said severance, should their employment be terminated before the contract expires.
An employe
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If you bring in high value employees you have essentially scored for free all their education and development.
Not really. What you have really done is given the person subsidized training that they can take back to their home country. Then the job that should have been filled by a local is gone forever.
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But this is where the salary comparison needs to come in. I don't know the exact rules of the H1b but it seems a lot easier circumvented then the equivalent 457 visa in Australia.
In Australia if you are paying a 457 visa holder less than the equivalent Australian you get smashed. It is huge fines and a ban on ever sponsoring anyone again, either for a set time or permanently. And if you had more than 1 457 you lose ALL of them.
There seems to be a big focus on the low cost developers coming out of India.
Fallout (Score:4, Informative)
WebYoga: Clever brand (Score:2)
I guess if they start bringing in cheap labor from China instead of India they'll rename the company WebTaiChi.
wow (Score:5, Insightful)
Department of Labor required international staffing agencies to pay a minimum of $61k for developers in Dayton. These guys (also in Dayton) paid $40k. Do the students know this was going on? Did the academic senate know this was going on? The staffing company paid the university to make this contract happen. Wow...
Why do universities have an exemption for these rules at all?
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Why do universities have an exemption for these rules at all?
There are two H1B rules that people are generally not aware of...
The first rule is the so-called "cap-exempt" employers. Although most companies have to compete for the limited number of H1b visa granted every year, some institutions are exempt from this cap (e.g., are allowed to hire H1b even if the limit is reached). Most research institutions have been granted cap-exempt status by the government, so H1b applications that go this route have more competition with other H1b's to get those positions. However, typically, these institutions still have to pay prevailing wages to such H1b employees, which brings us to the second little known rule...
The second rule is known as the "safe-harbor" rule. During the H1b application process a prevaling wage determination must be made. Either the employer can request the Department of Labor to do one, or it can do a self-determined prevailing wage. However, if the DOL does the wage determination, it cannot be latter challenged (aka "safe-harbor"). Competitive companies often can't wait the 6-8 weeks it takes to get a number from the DOL so they often are margin up pay to make sure they can survive a challenge. Research institutions generally go the DOL certification route (because they are under less competitive pressure), and also often game the system to get a low prevailing wage (e.g., university staff can be paid similar to post-docs and would be comparable in this system even though that's generally on the low-side of prevailing wage). Also once a prevailing wage determination is made by the DOL, it can be applied to any number of applicants that have the same job description w/o resubmitting to the DOL with every applicant.
That being said, it isn't just universities that exempt, but they are in a unique position to take advantage of both rules. They tend to be cap-exempt and they are hiring entry level folks with a reusable safe-harbor low-balled prevailing wage determination.
H1B nonsense (Score:2)
It's "legal" when Google does it (Score:3)
The big players have bribed the right people (campaign contributions, eventual employment in the private sector), and used the right high priced lawyers. It's only the low level scamsters who get caught. Then the authorities get to pretend that they are enforcing the law and protecting US workers.
It's just a piece of theater. Nothing to see here, move along.
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Google, IBM, HP, and SoCalEd all have to abide by the overall limit on visas handed out annually. Universities are exempt from these limits. We can argue whether the limits in place are appropriate, but at least they exist. They'll do fuckall if it's sufficiently simple to evade them by allowing exempt entities to become staffing companies.
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You are so brainwashed by the illusion of capitalism and faux "free enterprise" that you are supporting the looting of America. The game is rigged. There is no level playing field. The ever increasing gap between the wealth and the peasants (not citizens, because citizens have rights) is absolute proo
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Are you being deliberately dickish? I did say "we can argue whether the limits in place are appropriate". I would agree that they are not. However, evading them entirely is a separate and even larger problem that must be dealt with severely.
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Trump doesn't care that IBM or HP or Facebook are whining for more H1B. He will get rid of it.
Straight from WebYoga's site (Score:5, Interesting)
Understanding our clients' strategy, culture and business methodology leads us to fulfill their IT needs with custom and articulated solutions. Our results speak for themselves
The results indeed do speak for themselves.
1. Offering excellence in technology solutions, utilizing automation, creativity and innovation to solve client IT issues.
They were quite creative in H1-b fraud by involving the university.
2. Providing service to our customers and affiliates, based on the principles of professionalism, integrity and the spirit of partnership.
...for varying degrees of integrity.
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Looks like time to up the salary offer or find other suitable incentives.
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There's not enough developers to hire, so you have to resort to shady practises to hire them. My company hasn't had a single good legal candidate for our Java backend position apply in over two years, so we got creative.
Then you're not offering enough money...
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the cost of the Obamacare website corresponds to 70,000 workers getting $30k each.
Yes we can!
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You don't know what we're offering, but you still run your mouth. How about shutting up and leave the discussion to the adults?
Yeah, your problem is the work environment. People see how rude you are in the interview, and anyone reasonably competent goes somewhere else.
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My company hasn't had a single good legal candidate for our Java backend position apply in over two years, so we got creative.
Pay more.
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If you're paying more and still have workers stolen away, you must be hell on Earth to work for. Try being nicer.
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There's not enough developers to hire, so you have to resort to shady practises to hire them. My company hasn't had a single good legal candidate for our Java backend position apply in over two years, so we got creative.
Did it ever occur to you that maybe your company is crooked, sucks, isn't paying enough, or all of the above?
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You haven't been in the industry long enough. At some point Whats top dollar for the best of this breed of programmer wherein they decide let's outsource this, and there's a gajillion coders out there undercutting each other, and it winds up becoming staffed by poor quality coders, so the firms beef up their call centers with even more ridiculous low rent workers, cheapening the industry, and sending this breed to extinction, and into idiocracy.
Rinse lather repeat with each flavor-of-the-month programming
I've learned a bit about what "unqualified" means (Score:2, Interesting)
You don't even get to see my Resume. It's all the tools, frameworks, development processes, and miscellaneous acronyms items that get listed as "requiring" an expert level with some number of years of experience. If, for whatever reason, I lack even one of those, or if my experience is only in something related (rather than some vendor's 2016 product), then I am declined in advance.
Listing a degree requirement without an "or equivalent work experience" thrown somewhere in there also causes problems. By d
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You know what? Just lie. Seriously, just fucking lie and tell them you have whatever they want. They don't deserve honesty, because they have no honor. It's really come down to this. These assholes will lie, cheat, bribe, and steal to get their way with the government and screw over the good people. It's time they reaped what they sowed.
Re:I've learned a bit about what "unqualified" mea (Score:5, Insightful)
Bullshit. Most jobs that require a degree could competently be done by a high school dropout with some additional job training.
Employers want people with degrees because it's harder to quit when you're staring six figures of student loan debt in the face, so they can work you harder, pay you less, and generally treat you like shit.
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We got bought out by Paychex, but even that couldn't help us get any experienced people.
Pay more. If you can't get experienced people, it's because you're not paying enough.
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In your case, the problem is your searching method. Focus on improving that.
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We got bought out by Paychex, but even that couldn't help us get any experienced people.
Pay more. If you can't get experienced people, it's because you're not paying enough.
Let me put in a metaphor.
Suppose you put an ad that you want to buy the iPhone 6 for $50. Even if you get one, it will probably be illegally acquired.
Consider another situation. You visit every store and they say they don't have an iPhone 6 and you can only get it off someone else by offering them above market price.
I don't which situation we are in or at which point between the two extremes we are in. Are employers looking for stupidly cheap workers or is the situation that the only way employers can
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Companies are always looking for ways to cut costs, so if they can pay you less, they will. It's the job of HR to g
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Before I took the job I'm in now I interviewed for several similar jobs and on a few occasions was more or less told not to ask what the pay was until after I'd signed up. Did not take those jobs
I also saw a job ad for a web developer who needed a master's degree, 5 or more years experience in long list of webby type things, spoken and written Mandarin and English and the willingness to work shifts. All for $25,000.
I often wondered if they got any answers to that ad and if any o
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I also saw a job ad for a web developer who needed a master's degree, 5 or more years experience in long list of webby type things, spoken and written Mandarin and English and the willingness to work shifts. All for $25,000.
They're missing a zero in that figure.
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Re: Sounds normal (Score:5, Insightful)
This kind of thinking is why US workers are in such deep shit. There are people who actually believe that setting a price for your labor is somehow bad.
When a company sets a price on a product based on a desired level of profit, it's considered "the Free Market". But when a worker does the same thing we're told it's bad for everyone.
It's the Stockholm Syndrome, and the supply-side is holding you hostage. You think everyone's wages should be on a runaway train to the bottom of the barrel. What's funny is how many of these same people think it's just horrible that low-wage workers come across to border to pick lettuce. It just may be that programming is the new farm labor and has become another job that US workers don't want to do, at least at the price that's on the table.
Sooner or later, someone will figure out that labor comes first. It precedes capital. There is no capital without labor to make it happen. When you reverse the hierarchy, economies (and societies) suffer.
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Sooner or later, someone will figure out that labor comes first.
Turn on the TV and watch the news. Europeans are struggling to keep willing workers OUT of their countries. Donald Trump is promising to deport millions of workers from America. The world is awash in workers. Laborers are perceived to have negative value.
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Then you have three choices - whether programmer or any other kind of worker - organized labor and collective bargaining, endorse a robust welfare state or prepare for abject poverty for the rest of your life.
There is no other option. All forms of labor are being degraded.
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I'll be watching from here with popcorn, in a company that's actually selective about who it hires.
On the other hand, if you want to organize programmers, go ask the Germans how a proper labor union works. US programmers will
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Let's see how long you'll be able to afford popcorn.
I know a few people who sincerely believed their companies were looking out for them like some benevolent corporate pappy, right up until the day they were told they weren't needed anymore.
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There's been a long term conspiracy to degrade labor unions since the 1950s.
This has been happening since at least the very early 1900's. reference Fredrick Lewis Allen's excellent book, The Lords of Creation [goodreads.com]. The capitalist have succeeded in making every generation think this is a new struggle and their ways are "conservative" not cutting edge exploitation.
Further reference for free courtesy of what appears to be Australia's slightly more sane copyright laws.
Only Yesterday, by Frederick Lews Allen [gutenberg.net.au]
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The difference is between skilled and unskilled. and between highly skilled and skilled. There are not tens of thousands of highly skilled workers wanting to come to Europe to work.
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This kind of thinking is why US workers are in such deep shit. There are people who actually believe that setting a price for your labor is somehow bad.
When a company sets a price on a product based on a desired level of profit, it's considered "the Free Market". But when a worker does the same thing we're told it's bad for everyone.
It's the Stockholm Syndrome, and the supply-side is holding you hostage. You think everyone's wages should be on a runaway train to the bottom of the barrel. What's funny is how many of these same people think it's just horrible that low-wage workers come across to border to pick lettuce. It just may be that programming is the new farm labor and has become another job that US workers don't want to do, at least at the price that's on the table.
Sooner or later, someone will figure out that labor comes first. It precedes capital. There is no capital without labor to make it happen. When you reverse the hierarchy, economies (and societies) suffer.
Companies can put high prices but nobody will buy them. Then, they will be forced to cut prices to sell their products.
If you give a company monopoly, then they don't have to cut prices since you have no choice but to buy from them.
Monopolies are bad for the economy. Competition is good. If you're the monopoly, competition is bad but for the overall economy, competition is good.
There is some truth to harming the economy with labor fixing prices and monopolizing labor like with unions. The US auto indu
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So are monopsonies, which we are moving toward in our job markets.
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GM and Ford have the largest market share at this point, and have for over a decade. I don't think the US automotive industry is struggling.
Of course, if you're an executive or a shareholder in one of those companies, you want the public to think you're struggling because of greedy lazy union workers.
Re: Sounds normal (Score:5, Insightful)
If someone is "putting money at risk" it's because someone, somewhere - did some real work.
Don't take it from me, listen to Abraham Lincoln:
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu... [ucsb.edu]
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You believe the North was interested in destroying the Southern economy, so I'll take a pass on your wisdom being anything more than that of a Southern apologist who would blame Lincoln for starting a war.
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It's easy to look back at things that happened 150 years ago and then put people in the Right or Wrong columns. That's the Monday morning quarterback syndrome.
If you want wisdom, here it is: there hasn't been a single armed conflict in History that opposed Good People and Bad People. Things are always more complicated than that. The more strongly you believe that one side in a specific conflict was "right", the less you know about said conflict. If you don't have the intellectual humility to accept that, yo
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Re: Sounds normal (Score:4, Interesting)
The North "used slavery" to destroy the South's economy?
That's some quality alternative history, right there. The South's economy was built on slavery, and Lincoln, you may recall, signed the Emancipation Proclamation.
It really bugs you that an idea you ascribed to the "teachings" of Karl Marx was actually espoused by the first Republican president, doesn't it?
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That's wrong, too. "The North" didn't just claim to be opposed to slavery. They ended slavery. Why do you think the Underground Railroad was northbound? There are even songs, like "The Drinking Gourd" which slaves taught each other so they'd know to use the Big Dipper to head North to freedom.
The trope that the "Ci
Re: Sounds normal (Score:5, Informative)
A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction.
After the war, southerners felt immoral for supporting slavery, and tried to come up with other reasons for the war, the famous "Lost Cause". Charles A. Beard was not the first of these historians, and he was not the last. Slavery was clearly the central issue.
Which isn't to say that everyone fought because of slavery: some people had other reasons for fighting. General Lee didn't want the war, he liked the union. When war came, he found his devotion to Virginia was deeper than his devotion to his country (also, he had plenty of family members in Virginia and didn't want to fight against them).
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That's some A-level revisionist history right there.
I bet you're just butthurt because the battle flag (NOT the flag of the Confederacy, the battle flag was directly representative of mass slaughter on the battlefield) no longer flies over many southern institutions.
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You know, if you're going to post your revisionist slavery-apologist bullshit, at least have the balls to post under your own name.
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You could even bring up the difference in dates between the emancipation proclamation (January 1, 1863) and the freeing of Maryland's slaves (November 1, 1864). If freeing the slaves was so important, why wasn't Maryland forced to free their slaves when the south was?
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According to the constitution, what they did was legal. Therefore the highest law of the land disagrees with you.
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And this is why Southerners viewed it as the War of Northern Agression.
War of Northern aggression? Why, I think you forget who fired the first shot. The south started that war.
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The ironic thing is, if the south hadn't started it, they might have gotten away. Northern support for a war was ambivalent until the South started shooting. So the South failed at fighting a war, and failed at thinking smartly.
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That's why modern-day Southerners do not view the Civil War as simply about slavery.
Southerners are just trying to cover up their guilt (or now, the guilt of their ancestors). If you actually look at the historical documents, it was clearly about slavery.
Of course, there were great war heroes in the south, but that doesn't change the fact that the south seceded because of slavery.
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Um, the secessionists wanted to secede from the union, not war. The north went to war to prevent the breakup of the union.
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it wasn't just Marx who said it:
http://www.brainyquote.com/quo... [brainyquote.com]
Is that why countries that follow the teachings of Abraham Lincoln are such failures?
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You really like that quote, you've been using it twice in this thread. Maybe you should get it framed or something. That's probably the only Republican president you don't badmouth.
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Well, to be fair, he was the last Republican president (except maybe Eisenhower) who wasn't a complete dick.
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You misunderstand me. I'm well aware that the workers in third-world co
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Did the money just rain down from heaven, bestowed upon the elect?
Somewhere, someone had to do some work to get that money. Labor precedes capital in procession and morally.
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They just don't want you to be able to do it as a group, because they believe it's OK to aggregate capital in a corporation, but somehow it's immoral to aggregate labor in a union.
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the problem with "pay more" is that there's often a huge discrepancy between what a company can afford and what experienced people think they're worth.
It's a problem which fixes itself pretty quickly as the experienced people run out of money. Except they don't seem to be running out of money so someone must be paying them what they think they're worth. Therefore the problem isn't with them.
Re: Sounds normal (Score:5, Interesting)
the problem with "pay more" is that there's often a huge discrepancy between what a company can afford and what experienced people think they're worth.
It's a problem which fixes itself pretty quickly as the experienced people run out of money. Except they don't seem to be running out of money so someone must be paying them what they think they're worth. Therefore the problem isn't with them.
Haven't you noticed the clear shift towards IT companies hiring less experienced workers? How often do you think people with 12-15 years of programming experience interview at Amazon or Google?
Next time you hear about the talent shortage in IT and the companies raiding college to grab people who haven't even finished their degree, read the fine print. There's a shortage of IT talent in the 0-4 years of experience. People with more experienced are not considered. Remember that blog post? http://unemployable.pen.io/ [unemployable.pen.io]
The IT world today is young staff and/or visa workers. Experienced people have to either accept a lower salary or hang on to whatever job they have, because they are no in demand. I'm not saying this is right, I'm saying this is how it is.
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Experienced people have to either accept a lower salary or hang on to whatever job they have, because they are no in demand. I'm not saying this is right, I'm saying this is how it is.
This is complete bullshit. Experienced programmers are in very high demand right now, even more so than the mid to late 90's. It's a sellers market in Chicago.
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Bullshit, go to any job site and search for "junior" or "entry level" there will be about 2 jobs on opposite sides of the country
that's because what used to be "junior" in IT (0-5 years) is now considered "experienced".
Do you see a lot of postings looking for someone with 10 or 15 years of experience? What about 20 years?
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the problem with "pay more" is that there's often a huge discrepancy between what a company can afford and what experienced people think they're worth.
What people think they're worth? If you can't find workers at a given price point, it means they're worth more than you think. There's a discrepancy, and it's on your side.
As for me, I've had no trouble finding work at the prices I've been asking.
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the problem with "pay more" is that there's often a huge discrepancy between what a company can afford and what experienced people think they're worth.
What people think they're worth? If you can't find workers at a given price point, it means they're worth more than you think.
That's exactly where the visa workers show up. You have to put them in the demand/offer equation because they exist, they are cheap, and they are for the most part as qualified as the American equivalent with a 40% discount. And that's for the most part India staff.
Here's the kicker. India is a drop in the ocean. China is currently mass-producing engineers. For the moment they are extremely low-quality engineers because the school system is weak and the learning opportunities are not fantastic. But 8 millio
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the problem with "pay more" is that there's often a huge discrepancy between what a company can afford and what experienced people think they're worth.That's the whole reason why so many companies jump on the visa workers thing. Just like it happened in the auto industry, workers got used to high wages and are unwilling to consider the actual value of their contribution in a world where programming is now a commodity, so they end up replaced by cheap labor from a developing country. Same thing that happened to helpdesk, then sysadmins.
Of course it's easier to blame everything on pure greed from those evil companies, but see how much good this did in Detroit.
This has nothing whatsoever to do with the "actual value" of their contribution. Programmers are the most important resource for many of these companies, but compare the average programmer salary vs the average marketing/sales team salary. If every job has to compete with 3rd world country labor prices, then we will ALL end up being paid 3rd world labor rates. That's the end game here. We are all on a massive race to the bottom, where the only decent jobs left in America will be in the service industry
get rid of employer provided healthcare (Score:2)
Get rid of employer provided healthcare as a start in the usa to make us more like other country's also the EU has lot's of worker rights that we don't have.
The next killer is going to be the change of the overtime salary threshold right now someone can get paid $23,660 and be made to work 60-80 hours with out any OT pay.
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Funny how that same reasoning doesn't seem to keep prices to the consumer from rising. And it sure doesn't influence CEO salaries. Why not bring in an H1B, there are plenty of well qualified European CEOs accustomed to working for a fraction of what an American CEO costs.
Re: Sounds normal (Score:5, Informative)
Funny how that same reasoning doesn't seem to keep prices to the consumer from rising. And it sure doesn't influence CEO salaries. Why not bring in an H1B, there are plenty of well qualified European CEOs accustomed to working for a fraction of what an American CEO costs.
I just did a bit of googling on this matter and it is truly amazing. Did you know that Yahoo's CFO (the chief bean counter) made 50% more money last year than the CEO of SAP? Yet SAP make 4x more money than Yahoo.
Other interesting figures:
HP: CEO makes 20 millions, (100 billions revenue, 5 billions profit)
Microsoft: CEO makes 84 millions, (100 billions revenue, 12 billions profit)
Apple: CEO makes 9 millions, (200 billions revenue, 40 billions profit)
JP Morgan: CEO makes 20 millions, (50 billions revenue, 22 billions profit)
and my favorite:
Twitter: CEO makes 24 millions (1.4 billions revenue, -500 millions profit)
Meanwhile in Europe:
SAP: CEO makes 9 millions (18 billions revenu, 4 billions profit)
VW: CEO makes 23 millions (200 billions revenues, 12 billions profit)
Well I tried to find more European IT companies but there isn't a lot that are in the multi-billions dollars income bracket.
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Then there are the less seldom used skills. Or you have bad recruiters and HR. Where I work it's seeming to be very difficult to find good embedded C programmers. We get a lot of EE people but often they have little programming skills or programming as part of a team. CS people tend to know nothing whatsoever about C or C++ anymore, even if they put it on their resume, and can't even get a simple function written in any language.
There are far too many lies on resumes too. They all want to make it look
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The problem there is that everyone who looks for people to hire rejects everyone that doesn't have everything on the laundry list. This is likely because the people who filter out resumes are not technical, and therefore don't know what a good tech employee looks like.
If you can find plenty of smart people, then you shou
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Another objection that I hear to training your people is "but but but they'll get the new skill and leave for another company!" If they're leaving, it's probably not because they want to screw you over. They're leaving because another company will treat them better.
I did contract work for a large networking company that didn't want to train workers for certification because they would leave the company and get a better paying job somewhere else. Never mind that the lack of training prompted many people to get certified on their own time (and sometime with company equipment), leave the company and get a better paying job somewhere else. Corporate dysfunction at its finest.
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That's not that surprising. From the bean-counter point of view, training costs money NOW, and the loss of an employee is hard to quantify, so it MIGHT not cost any money. In the absence of a quantifiable loss from not training, and a hard-number cost of training, the pinheads go with the thing that will DEFINITELY save money NOW, instead of something that MIGHT cost money in the future.
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"Just like it happened in the auto industry, workers got used to high wages and are unwilling to consider the actual value of their contribution in a world"
In the Recent Unpleasantness, the UAW successfully negotiated wages downward, while non-union financial workers insisted in receiving their bonuses for the demonstrable damage they did to the markets.
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There's a huge discrepancy between what I can afford and what Rolls Royce thinks their cars are worth too. I mean, come on, cars are a commodity: four rubber wheels and some plastic and rubber.
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Heard all the same bullshit about those "dangerous" Japanese cars and those "low-quality" Mexican factories. Same same same.
Strange, I don't see you or other America First zealots throwing your iPhone in the hazardous materials bin. Yet all the manufacturing is done offshore, and large part of the software is written by visa workers. (Apple signs up an extra 1500 IT visa workers or so every year).
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Kind of hard to make money if you don't give people jobs. Think about this: How long can a company function with an open C-level position? How long can a company function without the people who do actual work?
Do you think Walmart would continue to make unreasonable amounts of money if they didn't have cashiers?
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Do you think Walmart would continue to make unreasonable amounts of money if they didn't have cashiers?
Wal-Mart is in the process of replacing cashiers with self-checkout machines.
http://empirenews.net/wal-mart-laying-off-cashiers-customers-must-use-self-checkout-or-pay-fee/ [empirenews.net]
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OK, so that's not a great example. My point stands.
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No, she paid $5000 to her IT guy to setup her mail server. If visa workers had done it it would have cost $50 and a fake job offer.
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Use third world people, get third world morality
and third world technical support, please press 4.
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"Use third world people, get third world morality."
I don't think you understood, but it is the other way around: have third world morality at the directors' board and third world employees will follow soon enough.