Santa Cruz Tests Predictive Policing Program 228
The police department of Santa Cruz, California is testing a new method for apprehending criminals: beating them to the crime scene. No, they haven't harnessed a group of pre-cogs; they're relying on a computer program that analyzes past crime statistics.
"Based on models for predicting aftershocks from earthquakes, it generates projections about which areas and windows of time are at highest risk for future crimes by analyzing and detecting patterns in years of past crime data. The projections are recalibrated daily, as new crimes occur and updated data is fed into the program. ... For the Santa Cruz trial, eight years of crime data were fed into the computer program, which breaks Santa Cruz into squares of approximately 500 feet by 500 feet. ... Officers are given a list of the 10 highest-probability 'hot spots' of the day at roll call. They check those areas during times that they are not out on service calls. Before the program started, they made such 'pass through' checks based on hunches or experience of where crimes were likely to occur."
Kind of Interesting (Score:3, Interesting)
It is kind of interesting on one level because it doesn't violate anyone's civil rights nor do anything odious. That much said, I am no fan of proactive policing. Proactive policing usually means law abiding citizens get harassed for walking through a "known" crime area even though they have no criminal intent. And please spare me the tired old line that only criminals go through bad areas and if you are in a bad area you must be up to something. Having been in law enforcement myself, cops are really rarely out to help which is why they call it "law enforcement" versus "peace officer." If you want proactive policing, hire private security.
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It doesn't intrinsically violate someone's civil rights but what about feedback loops?
If someone commits a crime in your neighborhood and it gets more policing then the policing will catch more criminals and by extension increase policing. Rinse and repeat until it reaches equilibrium.
For instance it would suck if your street through ticket based feedback became a speed trap and you had no choice but to go through it every day.
Re:Kind of Interesting (Score:4, Interesting)
I'd also welcome a speed trap right outside my front door. Speeding on the highway is ok within reason. 10 - 15 over is probably fine. but a residential neighborhood is another matter entirely. We've got kids playing and people backing out of driveways.
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If there *actually* is crime there above average that's one thing. But simply *finding* crime in one area because of greater patrolling isn't necessarily confirming the prediction's effectiveness.
It's the same argument as profiling. If you search an African American and find drugs on them and then decide that it means African Americans have more drugs on them you'll find an excuse to search more African Americans and find more drugs. At some point you're only searching dark skinned people and only findi
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The cops in Santa Cruz are not dumb, or at least not any dumber than any other cops, and they know which few streets encourage speeding already.
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Actually, I'd say the police should review the output of the model and patrol the areas least likely to produce crime. On the assumption that smart criminals will use the same modeling to predict where police coverage will be decreased, this allows you to determine where to find the smart criminals. An excellent tool!
My prediction (Score:5, Interesting)
Anything which replaces officer "hunches" with something more probabilistically sound* is fine by me.
*given the very low predictive value of their hunches and the high potential for 'hunches' to obfuscate prejudice or patterns of harassment in their investigations("my gut told me hassling this poor neighbourhood for the eighth time this month might turn up some crimes"), a dice roll would be sound enough for my purposes. Can you come up with an even more accurate model than pure randomness? bonus!
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Anything which replaces officer "hunches" with something more probabilistically sound* is fine by me.
I have a "hunch" that this black man over here is about to commit a crime ...
"Hunches" very often lead to profiling. Unfortunately, profiling is fairly effective -- it's just really, really unfair to those who are profiled and yet innocent.
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Ya it sounds like a solid idea (Score:4, Interesting)
Police departments already tried to do this, as noted with the hunch thing. The cops would go around and show presence in areas to try and deter crime (they also do things like park their cars in mall parking lots when they do paperwork). Well and good but of course it is all based on what humans feel is correct. while there's some validity to that since we do notice patterns, better to have a computer work it out, if possible.
Supposing the algorithm is tuned well, it could really do good. The patrols will go in areas where they are most needed. Also presumably a good model that is given new data daily (as this one is) will notice when things change and thus change patrols. Humans may be much slower to react.
Have to see what the actual stats are on it, but I think it could be a real win long term for law enforcement.
Now all we need is for it to target the criminals (Score:2)
before they commit the crime.
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*squeeekily* erases that from the dictionary of jurisprudence and schedules anyone who disagrees with retroactive abortions!
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Somehow I don't think you'd get any successful prosecutions if you did that. Additionally, you'd discredit any possible hot-spot monitoring program for the same reasons.
This only works if you let the perpetrator actually become a perpetrator. If you stop them before they've provided evidence of an intent to commit or evidence in the commission, you'll get thrown out of court, and if you do it way too much and catch too much public attention, you'll have other law enforcement entities investigating you, pr
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Blasphemer! Infidel! YOU are the criminal! DIE!
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If the intent is to prevent crimes, you don't need to arrest someone, only to, *IF* they were planning to commit a crime, discourage them. Discourage them for awhile, and they'll form a different habit patten, and no crimes occurred.
FWIW, this is a one sentence summary of an analysis of New York's, apparently working, crime reduction strategy. My summary of an article from a recent Scientific American. Is it working? Apparently statistics from several sources say that it is.
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So do you think we should investigate based on exit polls or will the morning after the election be soon enough?
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Election? Election! What fucking election? I say we kill the accused because we are GOVERNMENT GODS!
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What ever happened to innocent till proven guilty?
Still a basis of modern law, AFAIK. But that doesn't mean the police can't keep an eye on people they have reason to believe are likely to break the law... at least when those people are out in public.
There not criminals even if they have a "record" until they have committed a crime.
From Mirriam-Webster: Criminal (noun): one who has committed a crime.
If a person has a "record" (we'll assume for the moment they were justly convicted), then they are a criminal, because they have committed a crime.
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I'm sure you've committed multiple crimes today
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Intent can be a crime. Or are you saying it's ok to buy the explosives, mix the bomb materials, rent the U-haul, driver it to Oklahoma, park it in front of a Federal building... and it's all perfectly legal and OK and we shouldn't arrest anybody until they actually set off the bomb? Yes, sometimes you can be found guilty of plotting to commit a crime.
But that has nothing at all to do with the story.
If they were caught with the bomb then making a bomb would be the crime there and there would also be terrorism charges but I take your point.
What I was trying say to the parent poster was that life is not White and Black there are shades of Grey.
To me he came across as arguing for arbitrary arrest.
We still live in a democracy dont we?
Gaming the system (Score:4, Funny)
Ooh! Did I just write the plot for Oceans N+1?
Hacking the system (Score:2)
wouldn't it just be easier to hack into the system and see where it is directing officers, and go break the law away from them? Or better yet, feed the computer false info, so it predicts crimes in areas you want the police to be when you are doing your big heist.
It's a Unix system...I KNOW this! (Score:4, Funny)
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It's much simpler in my town. We have "public safety officers" -- they are trained as both police and firemen, and get better pay than the surrounding communities because our town has fewer people on the payroll over all. So the paramedics drive the fire trucks to the fire, and the police driver their cruisers and grab a fire suit off the truck. So.... the secret is if you want to rob a bank, start a fire across town first :)
Re:Gaming the system (Score:4)
Enough that you'd leave a trail of evidence a mile wide before you even got to the big one. If you really, really want to commit a crime, do the big one first, and then be a model citizen forever after. Repeat offenders eventually get caught.
Alternatively, pursue a career in finance and/or politics. You know what they say... the best way to rob a bank is to own it.
Self-defeating? (Score:2)
I wonder if they've looked at predicting how this will play out with the new program in place -- they have the basic problem that they're affecting what they're observing, and thus will change what will happen.
If the algorithms predict crimes in certain areas, you'll end up with officers in the area, likely preventing a crime before it even happens. That is, the potential criminal will notice the police presence and decide its not a good time. Thus there would be some feedback from the prediction method b
A rose by any other name... (Score:2)
SELECT grid_id FROM streets WHERE streetname LIKE 'Martin L%';
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SELECT grid_id FROM streets WHERE streetname LIKE 'Martin L%';
Damn! How did you know I was going to knck over that 7-Eleven on Martin Landau Boulevard!?
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That is, the potential criminal will notice the police presence and decide its not a good time. Thus there would be some feedback from the prediction method back onto itself.
Or the criminals don't notice the police presence and get caught in the act, reinforcing the prediction?
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Heisenberg would have something to say about this (Score:2)
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Just FYI, that's not the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. You're thinking of wave function collapse, in which the act of measuring a particle determines its state. Heisenberg uncertainty is a mathematical proof that shows that the uncertainty in a particle's location and the uncertainty of its momentum have a non-zero product. It also applies to other pairs of properties, such as energy and time.
People get the two confused all the time, probably because the one that's more useful to talk about doesn't h
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Hmmm. Seems like Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] got that wrong as well:
I read that to mean by interactively observing a particle's velocity (i.e., "pinging," it with a measurement device) one necessarily changes that particle's behavior in such a way that doe
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The two are related in that thought experiments related to changing something by measuring it led to the development of the Uncertainty Principle. However, it can be reached from other angles, including deriving it mathematically. It exists independent of any actual measurement. Even if you imagine an omniscient god thinking about the particle, it's impossible to know both the momentum and position simultaneously.
Hyperphysics has an excellent summary [gsu.edu] showing where the uncertainty arises without any measu
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Urban campers will just take their thieving further from their camp sights once they realize they are bringing heat down on themselves.
Until then the cops have a statistical homeless camp locator.
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As soon as the police insert themselves into the equation, the social dynamics will change and eventually invalidate their predictions.
Hopefully the form of the changes will be fewer people committing crimes, because it's harder to get away with crimes after the program is in place.
Remember, the police system doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be effective enough to deter your average potential criminal. It's not like people have an an infinitely large incentive to commit crimes at all costs; they choose to commit a crime, or not, based largely on risk and cost-benefit analysis.
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That's the goal. The whole purported reason for putting traffic cameras at intersections with lots of crashes is to make people more cautious to reduce the crashes.
Or is the argument just, "why fight crime when you can never eradicate it?"
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That's the goal. The whole purported reason for putting traffic cameras at intersections with lots of crashes is to make people more cautious to reduce the crashes..
Accidents increased. When they put up cameras to stop red light runners, people began to suddenly stop as the light turned yellow, only to get rear-ended in the process. That wasn't the goal.
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I know you're thinking that the goal was to get ticket revenues. Sometimes I suspect that myself. But the government would argue, perhaps truthfully, that getting rear-ended will at worst give you a bit of whiplash, whereas getting t-boned by some asshole running a red light can kill. Has there ever been a study on the rate of injuries before and after red light camera installation?
Next on Action News, your crime weather report! (Score:2)
Thanks Jean and Fred (cue fake smiles and laughs all around)...
Well today we sure did have some isolated crimestorms dotted around the metro with scattered crimebursts in the outlying areas. Your forecast for tomorrow is a 40% chance of crime in the downtown area with a peak of 80% occurring around 4th and Vine. Out in the suburbs, we're looking at a 10% chance of domestic disputes, 40% chance of mom scoring some weed from the high school pimp, and about an 80% chance of teenage drinking as we head toward
I proudly live in SC (Score:2)
and totally get it now that I've read this. I got pulled over by a Sheriff last month who was three cars ahead of me and pulled off the road to get in front of my truck. I hadn't broken any laws and the Cop told me he pulled me over because I have a full beard and fitted a description of someone he was looking for.
The Officer ran my info and came back telling me I was clean. He then asked if he could take my picture in case he found the perp he was looking for. Being a stand-up citizen I agreed and let him
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The computer might have told him to be in the area, but it didn't tell him to pull you over. That was his decision.
I grew up in Santa Cruz (I was just there this last weekend, actually... got some awesome flea market scores including finally picking up an electric bass... and not billy bob) and it has always been a pretty racially divided place. Very tolerant of minorities who know their place. You know, Mexicans belong in the flats or in front of Kmart (well, there's a Home Depot there now, but they were a
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earthquake aftershock prediction? (Score:3)
The article doesn't go into it, but is the earthquake aftershock prediction actually any good? I haven't heard about it and the article doesn't mention anything about the accuracy.
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Totally Reasonable (Score:2)
As long as they're targeting times and places, not people (individuals or groups), this is totally reasonable. In small towns with townie cops on the beat for years, the cops know where and when the crime "hotspots" are. But they're subjective, and are easily turned into just harassing people (and the neighborhoods they live or hang out in). Indeed, bad cops say that's what they're doing, when they're really just racists or settling some old grudge (often against totally different people), or just on a powe
SCO? (Score:2)
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Encinal street is in an area which is already heavily patrolled, as it includes a park and a Costco, to say nothing of the Goodwill bargain barn...
Policing by embracing the gambler's fallacy. (Score:2)
Ooh! Ooh!
Bettor Cop: There were a rash of crimes around Broadway and Seabright! I'm placing my bet on Broadway and Seabright!
Crime Dealer: Oh sorry! The next crime happened over on Center and Church! YOU LOSE!
Bettor Cop: Damn! That sucks!
Victim: You're telling ME asshole!
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It's only the gamblers' fallacy if you're sure the odds really are even. If I flip a coin twenty times, and it comes up heads every time, you'd be a fool to think that the odds on the next flip are 50-50. It's far more likely that I'm using a trick coin.
See also: Bayesian inference
(insert statistics joke here) (Score:2)
Two statistics majors went on a police ride-along to see how the new crime prediction model was working. They went to the first predicted location on 200th st., but there was no crime. Then they went to the second second predicted location on 100th st, but again no crime. Just when they were about to admit defeat, a call came in about a crime on 150th st and they both yelled "we did it!"
The big problem (Score:2)
Why is this news? (Score:2)
Why is this news? Proactive policing is hardly new. Doing the predictive work on a computer isn't new either. (NYC was doing it back in the 70's.)
beating them (Score:2)
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*Facepalm*
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I bet the doughnut shop is ripe for potential crimes. Better go check it out!
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Then gangs will employ anti-precogs [wikipedia.org].
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It seems the writer of the summary already used some to render your post redundant.
Not really... (Score:3)
Trustafarians don't need jobs. Lives possibly but not jobs.
Yeah, anyone who grew up there.... (Score:3)
in high school, you find out about the womens rights topless parade.
and you go.. once.. then discover the disturbing truth about 98% of the women willing to march topless.
One 'problem' (Score:2)
Now, this would require the common street thug to be smart enough to think this up, let alone implement it...but
Wouldn't you pretty much have a schedule where cops are going to be knowing this info? More importantly, wouldn't you pretty much have a schedule where the cops will NOT be?
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You are not necessarily immune to local cops just because you have someone in the department. You just are mostly immune--in many departments, informant X would not help significantly if cop Y happened to see you commit a violent felony, for example.
Re:One 'problem' (Score:4, Insightful)
They already have to schedule where the cops will and won't be. If we could afford to have cops everywhere all the time, there would be no need for this tech. The only difference made by this technology is that the cops will now be positioned more intelligently. It's like how fielders in baseball shift based on the batter's spray chart. It doesn't guarantee that they'll be where the ball goes, but it does tilt the odds a bit more in their favor.
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How about simply hiring more cops and getting some to get out of their car and actually walk their beat?
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We have a nation unwilling to raise taxes above historic lows, with one party trying to push taxes even lower. We're being forced to lay off cops by the thousands. Hiring enough to properly cover cities isn't an option. Technology that helps that be a bit more efficient is welcome.
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Everything is about potheads (Score:3)
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Why should taxpayers agree to pay more with the incredible waste that's already taking place?
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Oddly enough, though, police are hired by cities, not the federal government. In my state, cities make their money off property taxes, car licensing, and a cut of the state's sales tax. Yours may vary.
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So get people jobs worth a shit. If you're gonna bring up that retarded stat that "only half of households pay income taxes", I'm going to point out that there are far more taxes that people pay besides the income tax, and those taxes typically are quite regressive and hit lower income households harder. Not to mention, if you aren't getting paid shit, then how would you be expected to pay anything in taxes?
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This year the city I live in is broke, and struggling not to lose police officers. A couple of years ago we had 35 openings that we couldn't get recruits for even after trying for over a year. We voted in a special bond issue, and then actually had to struggle not to lose police officers faster than we could hire them.
OTOH, if *I* were a police officer, this is one of the last cities that I'd want to work in. There've been several scandals, and large segments of the populace don't trust the police to be
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The problem is cops today are faceless sunglasses wearing men in uniform scowling at you from in the car. they are not community peace keepers that you talk to and know. People mistrust cops because most cops act like jerks. FORCE The cops to walk around and talk to the citizens. Yes their fat lazy asses need to get out of the air conditioning in their car. Everyone in the neighborhood section the cop is assigned to should know the cop or at least recognize him. Hell I know my Mail Carrier more than
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What I can't get my head around is the concept of modifying the system by observing it (or just plain modifying the input to a predictive system).
So if you correctly identify area X as a potential hotspot, and send police there, it's a success if you prevent crime. But then that spot becomes less of a hotspot so you may send the police to other areas. Do you then just lapse into a cycle of entering and leaving an area as crime increases and decreases?
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There's an app for that.
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It's simple:
1) break a lot of windows over on the east side.
2) While the cops (and glazier) are there, rob the glazier's shop blind, this way the window glass makers get to double the profit.
3) once the cops are all on the west side dealing with the spate of glass thefts, rob the jewelery store over on the east side (naturally breaking the windows)
4) Profit (and retire to a non-extradition country)
-nB
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Likely what's happening here. Who in their right mind thinks that crime follows the same patterns as earthquakes, and who in their right mind thinks we've ever predicted an earthquake, anyway?
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Re:Unintended consequences. (Score:5, Insightful)
People are really bad at being random. I'm sure many criminals already think they're picking random targets.
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You assume the average criminal is going to know what the policemen's daily patrol routes will be. If they have access to that knowledge, then why aren't the already using it? All that's changing here is how the routes are set.
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How is that different from what they are able to do now? Check for cops before committing a crime. Whether the cops are there because of an algorithm or by random chance is irrelevant.
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Its easy to predict something that has a probability near one.
Prosecuting those people is another question.