Augmented Reality and Privacy 144
An anonymous reader recommends a piece up at Augmented Planet that makes a couple of points about privacy in the realm of geotagging and augmented reality that haven't been discussed much. First, once you geotag and upload, say, a photo to the Net you can lose ownership over the data and especially its metadata. Second, data on the Net is long-lived and might be put together in ways you wouldn't like, long after it was created. "If you geotag a picture with your new 50" plasma TV in the background and upload it to the Web, congratulations you have just told everyone where you live and what you have of value. The web has a long memory — geotag something today and in six months it is still on the Web. When you tweet from the beach in Barbados telling your friends you are away for 2 weeks, that picture of your 50" plasma will still be out there along with its location. It's easy to track down someone's home address if you have their real name." The submitter adds, "I never really cared about my online privacy too much. This article made me think seriously about privacy for the first time. No mean feat."
1. memorize a fake birthday (Score:5, Insightful)
2. keep all online family pictures private, behind a password
it always amazes me to find online profiles with birthdays and family member's photos: there's your mother's maiden name and your birthday on full display or a few clicks away, handy for opening new credit cards in your name
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Hardly my problem if a credit card company decides to give a credit card to someone masquerading as me... well I spose it depends on the laws of the country you live in, but where I live (the UK) this is the Credit Card companies' fault... and responsibility, not mine.
that doesn't matter (Score:2)
even if the cost to you is $0 financially, the cost to you is high in terms of hassle and headaches in dealing with bank bureaucracy over an extended period of time. you have to cut off the fake credit cards. additionally, now your real transactions are under the spotlight of greater scrutiny by the banks, which could result in denials or delays
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whoever opens a credit card in your name enjoys many more months of detection-free shopping on your dime, since you are out of the habit of monitoring your credit
credit cards are useful when used responsibly. its not valid to cede that entire space of your financial life because of criminals
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whoever opens a credit card in your name enjoys many more months of detection-free shopping on your dime, since you are out of the habit of monitoring your credit
Quoted for truth.
This exact thing happened to me a few years ago, and even though it wasn't my responsibility (I didn't have to pay for the fraudulent charges), I was the one who had to clean up the mess in my credit file. Everyone assumes you're trying to swindle them out of paying your balance when you call them about these things, it wasn't fun. I never found out how it happened, all I know is that someone managed to get enough personal information on me to convince a credit card service rep to send them
Re:1. memorize a fake birthday (Score:5, Insightful)
This does not indemnify you against information uploaded by unwitting friends, relatives, acquaintances, or colleagues. The more people come to rely on the internet as a venue for socializing, the less control any individual will have over their personal information or their privacy. As information collecting becomes more automated, AR will become more useful and hence more commonplace, possibly bringing some of the issues raised by the article to the fore.
I think it's important to recognize that even though AR introduces additional risks to *your* security and privacy, it has the exact same effect on a *criminal's* security and privacy. I'll throw a hypothetical scenario out there - say you enabled a service at the supermarket that automatically emails you a copy of your receipt whenever you make a purchase. If your identity thief makes a purchase at one of these supermarkets, you have an incriminating email containing unrecognizable foodstuffs and a credit account you never opened, which can be used to spearhead an investigation pulling CCTV footage from that supermarket to compare to a facial recognition database, resulting in the identification and arrest of the identity thief.
Given this scenario, I think that rather than rebel against the erosion of our privacy, we need to accept that privacy in its current incarnation will never exist again, and instead work towards ensuring that no single group of people is allowed to exempt themselves or abuse this new information.
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But the thief gets the benefits immediately, while the victim has to invoke the ponderous mechanisms of the state to benefit... which can be like being victimized again.
How is that any different than things are now, except without the ability to "invoke the ponderous mechanisms of the state"? (whatever that's supposed to mean)
Having some form of recourse is better than no form. As it stands right now, the ability to catch the criminal, or even *know* a crime has been committed, is very limited. With the proposal you are dismissing due to being either "ponderous", or of the "state" (it's hard to tell which bothers you most, perhaps you think the two always go together?), at
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I'm glad that people worry about this kind of stuff, but this problem specifically...not a problem. It's not as if people have no way to know who has nice things, and there's enough people in the world that don't even bother stopping their morning paper when they vacation that criminals never have a hard time finding easy targets.
The real trick here is to try not to be an easy target, and to accept that if someone really wants to target you, they're going to get you. There's not much you can do about it, bu
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I wish you would. Maybe get those bill collectors onto a new blood scent.
easy way to generate a fake birthday: (Score:2)
just take a simple truncation of your real birthday
if your real birthday is sep 26, 1975, use sep 20, 1975. or if it is may 17, 1987, use may 10, 1987
the same goes for your name. unless absolutely necessary, never use your middle name. and if you have to use it, try to use only your middle initial. and if you can get away with it, use only your first name initial too. if you are fred willard, try to be f willard as much as possible. if you are jay leno, you are now j leno (heh, perhaps a bad example for all
Re:easy way to generate a fake birthday: (Score:5, Insightful)
The insanity isn't there.
The insanity is in assuming that if a unknown person knows the name and birthday of a certain individual and his mother, then that is proof positive that he IS that person. By that logic, I am a dozen different people. It's just nonsense, pure and simple. Allowing a new line of credit to be opened on such skimpy information is grossly incompetent, and should result in the automatic assumption that the organization doing so is responsible for any and all losses resulting from their neglience.
If I want to open a new account here, I need either a digital signature (yes, one that uses two-factor authenthication to ensure I'm me), or I need to physically go to the post to pick up the card -- the post will then demand I present an actually valid ID before they give it to me. (a service they charge for, and call "verified recipient")
solution: security freeze (Score:2)
http://www.consumersunion.org/campaigns/learn_more/003484indiv.html [consumersunion.org]
shame on you alabama, michigan, and missouri: the only states where this consumer initiated credit lock is not the law
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The insanity is in assuming that if a unknown person knows the name and birthday of a certain individual and his mother, then that is proof positive that he IS that person. By that logic, I am a dozen different people.
The top google search for genealogy boasts "Billions of free family tree, family history, ancestry, genealogy and census records." Even if you take your online security seriously it's possible a well-meaning family member has posted your birthdate and mother's maiden name somewhere without realizing the ramifications.
While the onus *should* be on financial institutions to clean up their act, it is currently the identity theft victim who spends their time and money cleaning up the hits to their credit score.
but it's cool and hip (Score:4, Funny)
to always broadcast your location and everything about me to everyone on the internet? we are all friends, right? everyone on the internets cares about what i do everyday, right?
Re:but it's cool and hip (Score:5, Interesting)
This obsession with self-visibility is a byproduct of "celebrity culture", which itself is a byproduct of XX-century broadcasting. Once current paradigms of information consumption give way to something different and more bidirectional, people will stop obsessing about exposing themselves.
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Tell that to the King.
Re:but it's cool and hip (Score:4, Funny)
Look, Elvis is really, really, REALLY dead; live with it!
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I'd love to expose myself. But first we need to repel these totalitarian indecency laws.
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I agree to a certain extend, but it's beneficial in another perspective completely detached from the negative undertone: I love it when there are a few people reviewing their restaurants, adding their fav places, uploading
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I've been reading the book Spook Country by William Gibson (of Neuromancer fame) recently and it amazes me just how predictive it is of this whole augmented reality thing that I had not really heard much about until earlier this year.
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Yeah, but handing it out 20 years later would be a bit difficult.
We're from the internet (Score:5, Funny)
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And we know who you did last summer...
There, fixed that for you.
Avatar (Score:5, Insightful)
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That's called foresight, man.
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That's called paranoia man.
That's called foresight, man.
You are both right, men.
That's called irrelevant... (Score:2)
As long as you socialize online with the people who know you IRL.
In most cases it doesn't take a thesis in data mining to figure out your identity based on the chatter from your friends and colleagues.
As for OP's geotagging remark... better start strip searching your friends and family and forbidding any kind of photographing or video recording in your home (No geotagging in this house!).
Cameras and phones come with geotagging turned on by default, and now there are SD memory cards with built in wi-fi that
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I don't think so. Why would you? What's the advantage?
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I haven't used my real name anywhere on the Internet in about ten years.
It seems that you have been living two lives. In one life, you are Warren Oates, program writer for a respectable software company.
The other life is lived in computers where you go by the hacker alias Neo, and are guilty of virtually every computer crime we have a law for, including the unauthorized use of the D.M.V. system for the removal of automobile boots.
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Well, I was under the impression that banks, online merchants, and government services releasing my personal information to the public wasn't legal, either.
We use our fake names on the Internet, and our real names in those services, and never the twain shall meet, unless some law is being broken.
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It's already illegal. :P I'm quite sure of it, doesn't matter how widespread it is. Especially in regards to university information.
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I haven't used my real name anywhere on the Internet in about ten years.
So does that mean you never use online banking or government services ?
Ever applied for a job online ?
Pretty powerful statement.
New business opportunity (Score:5, Funny)
A search engine for burglars!
Quick, let's file a patent...
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Patenting something that you will only sell to thieves doesn't sound like a smart thing to do.
-Apologies if this goes off topic-
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You'd be surprised (Score:3, Interesting)
Thieves are not *pirates*, you know.
(more seriously, thieves are quite happy to pay like everyone else when the profit/cost ratio is high enough.)
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Stealing IS a business, although a very shady one.
Re:New business opportunity (Score:4, Informative)
This is Exactly what s happening to celebrities today. Out here in LA there were was a gang of teenage girls that followed al the celeb mags, watched the TV shows where the celebs showed off their houses etc. Then they got on Twitter and face book to see when these celebs left town. BAMN! they robbed the house. Took the police a year to find them!
They had millions of dollars worth of crap they hadn't figured out how to fence!
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This is also happening in England's "football country", the Manchester / Liverpool area (which also happen to include some of the poorest urban areas in the entire country). More and more in recent years, footballers' houses are broken into during match days (which are known months in advance).
This resulted in a direct economic boost to the security industry in the region, so there is a positive side to it :)
Think seriously about privacy? (Score:1)
"...and especially its metadata." (Score:1, Insightful)
What on earth does this mean? "Lose ownership of the metadata inside a photo"? Does the author even know what he/she is talking about?
I don't exactly fear "losing the rights" to the metadata contained in the jpegs I spread around the web: shutter speed/focal length info, the camera source info, eventual embedded ICC profile, width/height info etc.
My god, the idiocy.
Nobody gives a shit about you (Score:4, Insightful)
Nobody reads your twitter, nobody follows your flicker account and no 2bit criminal is going to do both when i can just drive round the block and see your curtains haven't changed states in the last 3 days. There are reasons to care about your privacy, future blackmail, employer searching for you, etc, but nobody reading you (mirco)blog is going to steal your TV.
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s/i/he #damn Freudian slip!
Re:Nobody gives a shit about you (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Nobody gives a shit about you (Score:4, Informative)
That might be one reason. Another is to give the police time to tell the family members so they don't find out about it from watching tv or reading a newspaper.
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Whoa, big fat [citation needed] right there!
For one thing, if someone called and told you a plane fell down with your brother inside, would your first impulse really be to run down to his place and "secure" his flatscreen?
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For one thing, if someone called and told you a plane fell down with your brother inside, would your first impulse really be to run down to his place and "secure" his flatscreen?
Absolutely not.
I would secure the XBox360 first.
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Well said Sir. Also to those who "never really cared about online privacy", expect bad things to come your way (read: FB Fails [facebookfails.com])
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You're talking about small time criminals that are operating opportunistically. Any mistakes and they might walk in on me when I'm home (and they'll very likely have to be carried out with a few newly installed .4in or 5.56mm holes).
This information allows burglars to do their casing safely and anonymously from home, and they can operate in a much larger area. Who cares if they have to drive 70mi, if they know with a high degree of confidence that a certain house will be unoccupied for a few hours, and the
Who would want a plasma TV !? (Score:2)
Come back when you have an OLED ! *g*
I had TWO attemped burglaries in my life (Score:3, Insightful)
BOTH happened when I was at home and there was clear activity. One in the morning, busy getting ready and suddenly someone was in the kitchen who ran out.
Other time 3 people tried to climb on the balcony while 4 people were in the house.
The fast majority of crime in holland is committed by imigrants (don't bother telling me otherwise, all attempts were made by dark-skinned people) who have the combined IQ of a raisin.
/. nerds come up with all kinds of clever tricks to steal things, that is not how criminals do it. Brutality and a surety that the legal system has been gutted makes them attempt break ins where there is no point because they want cash now. Planning... that just doesn't feature. It is opportunity crime, when you are home, you got doors and windows unlocked, when you are away, you double bolt everything.
Mythbusters had a few of those Mission Impossible style break in attempts, meanwhile the biggest diamond heist that really happened, just involved driving up, loading the bags and driving away. No complex stuff, no sci-fi. Just the arrogance to think you can get away with it, and you often can. And when you don't, the law has so little change to catch you, it is worth the risk (conviction rate in Holland is less then 10% of REPORTED crimes, only a fraction of crimes are known to be reported, so do the math).
Do you really think a criminal who is going to sell your new plasma for at most a 100 dollars (think about it, even if you buy blackmarket, you want a box, you steal TV's from the warehous factory, not somebodies house) is going to bother keeping track of potential photo's that might show a plasma you had then and corrolate that with when you CLAIM to be away?
Real burglars just walk past and LOOK. And they are a hell of lot more interested in a place that is dark where they can get inside very quickly and away very quickly. And even then, what are they going to do with a 50inch plasma screen? Takes ages to unplug, get off the wall, into a car and then you got what? A 2nd hand tv. Oh yeah, fences pay big bucks for that.
I swear slashdot is the nerds fox news. You know those jokes:
amount of pedophiles in the entire world: -
amount of pedophiles on myspace according to Fox: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA broken up because of crap filter AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Slashdot is like that with privacy
Real world criminals tracking you: -
Criminals tracking you according to the privacy crazies on /.: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA broken up because of crap filter AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
It is like the crappy filter /. uses: Real spam stopped 0. Jokes and valid points ruined: zillion.
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I had TWO attemped burglaries in my life...
The fast majority of crime in holland is committed by imigrants (don't bother telling me otherwise, all attempts were made by dark-skinned people)
Really? That's your argument?
You have a sample size of exactly two and from that you feel confident to extrapolate to all crime in the country?
After demonstrating such absurdly bad reasoning skills, why should anyone take anything else you have to say seriously?
Bigotry is innumeracy.
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I had TWO attemped burglaries in my life...
The fast majority of crime in holland is committed by imigrants
[...]You have a sample size of exactly two and from that you feel confident to extrapolate to all crime in the country?
You don't understand, his majority is FAST.
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I've been robbed two times by clowns. If I come home to find grease paint smeared on my door handle and unicycle tracks all over my hardwood floors, I swear I'm gonna do something drastic!
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Vanity causes people to post every little detail of their lives with the delusion that someone cares. This form of paranoia is another manifestation of the same... it's the delusion that someone cares enough to carefully examine your digital life because your stuff is somehow wor
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Grossly speaking there are three types of criminals: smart and dumb.
What's the third type? Or is that the "grossly" part?
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BOTH happened when I was at home and there was clear activity. One in the morning, busy getting ready and suddenly someone was in the kitchen who ran out.
Other time 3 people tried to climb on the balcony while 4 people were in the house.
The fast majority of crime in holland ...
Not in the USA. Breaking in while someone is home is likely to get you shot. Even the druggies know this and make some attempt to verify a house is empty before entering.
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You're Dutch. Pretty much everyone from anywhere is dark-skinned compared to you. You actually manage to make the British look positively swarthy. The people on your balcony were probably just tourists from Nebraska looking for a good place to take windmill pictures.....
By the way, you don't happen to live in Haarlem, do you? Just wonderin'.....
It's a Trap (Score:1, Offtopic)
Next time I go on vacation I'll put it online complete with photos of a great new plasma TV. That is right after I wire it up to a 220 outlet so that when someone lays hands on it they are fried.
Or, more moderately, anything that appears to be a breach in security can also be one heck of a set up to trap bad guys. Although I will say that I live in an exceptionally safe environment. In my location thieves are almost always quickly caug
What Augmented Reality doing here? (Score:3, Informative)
In six months... (Score:3, Funny)
"If you geotag a picture with your new 50" plasma TV in the background and upload it to the Web, congratulations you have just told everyone where you live and what you have of value. The web has a long memory -- geotag something today and in six months" nobody will care about your antiquated plasma TV.
Wrong approach (Score:2)
The real problem there is not so much augmented reality as is making public things that you dont want everyone know. Once you go that road, probably augmented reality and/or geotagged photos aren't necessary.
Sorry, but no (Score:3, Insightful)
If you buy a 50" Plasma and bring it home, anyone driving by while you take it inside now knows you own a 50" Plasma and where you live. Where does it stop?
While theoretically, it is possible to figure something like this out for a robbery or something like that, the chances are incredibly slim, and nothing you do with the exception of completely unplugging and never leaving you home is going to make you completely secure. This is just fear mongering, you are at no higher risk with internet than you are with normal conversation (you tell friend 1 you just got a tv, they tell their friend that a friend of theirs just got that new TV, later on you leave on a trip and tell your friend, whose friend happens to be around/friend 1 tells, and now he can go steal your TV.) It is the nature of socializing, you are gonna give information that is innocuous by itself but when pieced together information can be used for bad deeds.
Ok, go ahead and mod flaimbait or troll now
The solution is social networks (Score:2)
The answer to all of this is social networks. Whether it's posting pictures+blogs+"tweets" on Facebook that are only shared with your friends, or using Android's geolocation and only sharing it with your contact list.
What we really need is a social network that isn't closed up in a single company's app. I'd love to use my Facebook social network for sharing pictures and "private" blog entries about vacations. The problem is that it requires uploading all my data where it's locked up in Facebook.
Maybe in
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what about google's opensocial? That allows you to port apps and data between social networks.
--Sam
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AFAIK Wave is open source and being built so you run your own server for your domain, like e-mail. You can host your own wave server, and then build your social network and communicate across other Wave servers including Google's.
The plugins they've shown so far are happy to let you download your picture albums back out of Wave. Compare this to Flickr, where my friend had to download every single picture out of her own album manually, or find a 3d-party (potentially malicious) program to do it.
On top of t
Your thieves are locals... (Score:2)
...because no one in their right mind would travel 100's of miles to steal a 50" inch plasma tv that you can get for the price of a mediocre tv set just a few years ago anyway, there's more to it than that.
The thieves you'll most likely get (if any) is your locals. These have the time to check you out, to make sure you don't have guards - or security service...you can't find out that on facebook. And besides, they want much more from you than a mere plasma tv, if you have valuable silverware, artwork etc. n
I'm good. (Score:2)
I don't have any nice things anyway.
It's about the internet, stupid!? (Score:2)
I can't wait until F/OSS gets exploited by the internet--Granted F/OSS is benefitting the world more-so-ever, but so far it's a blind love fest.We all talk
No, it's called "paranoia". (Score:3, Insightful)
Not everyone suffers from paranoia.
There is nothing wrong with uploading a bit of metadata about you here and there, the problem is when it becomes highly visible, which is the case with "augmented reality" systems (where the entire point is *seeing metadata*).
No, it's called "Cautious." (Score:4, Interesting)
Paranoia's just a state, it's neither bad nor good. Acting on that paranoia to hurt ones self or others, that's bad. I see nothing harmful about not uploading these bits of information and therefore, paranoia or not, it's not a bad idea.
Now, I may not agree it's common sense as the GP does, but I don't think it's paranoia either.
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Paranoia's just a state, it's neither bad nor good.
The fact that is a medical term should tell you something about that.
After working for 30 years on crashy, unreliable and insecure machines, most geeks are justifiably paranoid... But it's not a state of mind we should really come to see as "healthy". It's a reaction to the sorry state of our technology.
Simply stated, the responsibility is on developers to make sure that their creations cannot be used for nefarious purposes.
Re:No, it's called "Cautious." (Score:4, Insightful)
That pshrinks are prejudiced against the justifiably concerned?
Certainly not. It's both unreasonable and impossible for them to do so.
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That pshrinks are prejudiced against the justifiably concerned?
They tend to be quite prejudiced on lots of other things, which often overlap with what is considered "healthy".
Simply stated, the responsibility is on developers to make sure that their creations cannot be used for nefarious purposes.
Certainly not. It's both unreasonable and impossible for them to do so.
RLY? Let's build an atomic bomb in my backyard and see how society reacts...
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,br> Furthermore, I can walk through any middle class neighborhood, break into a house, and find something of value (In fact, I'll bet I can find a big TV in most of them!). Everyone has something that can be sold in their house. Now that this information is online, it's more dangerous? I guess people from around the world now
Re:No, it's called "Cautious." (Score:4, Insightful)
Just look at the example given in the article summary. There's no concievable way a developer could protect against that situation, short of not developing the technology to begin with. Sometimes, security/privacy falls to personal responsibility. Sure, that's where all the best systems go to hell, but it's just not something we can (currently) just work around. We can warn users, tell them the dangers, but when it comes right down to it: it's all about the nature of the user. If the user's nature is (right or wrong) paranoid/cautious, then we're going see less abuse than if their nature is wide open.
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Sometimes, security/privacy falls to personal responsibility.
I agree, but defining "sometimes" is where the argument lies. If you build a system that shares metadata, it's your responsibility to worry about who can see that metadata, and build a privacy system that will explicitly give responsibility back to the user. Facebook was forced to do that, for example.
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The developer can (and should) empower the user to control their data and metadata, and the user must be cautious enough to exercise that power appropriately.
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If the only harm caused by others to yourself that you can see arises from software security flaws, then you really, really need to get out more.
Actually, check that; if you really are that clueless as to how others can cause you harm, you're better off holed up wherever you are.
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If the only harm caused by others to yourself that you can see arises from software security flaws, then you really, really need to get out more.
Tell you what, I come out and teach you how to read properly, which you clearly need. Deal?
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Impossible. How can a developer possibly make a computer know the difference between "here's a picture of an expensive widget at my home, please come steal it" and "here's a picture of the cute-looking but lethal rabbit that guards my home, please come get decapitated and eaten by it"?
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The developer can distinguish between "here's a geotagged picture" and "here's a regular picture".
The developer should make the user aware that he's sharing metadata as well as the picture itself, and let him choose how (or whether) to do so. Only at that point he's disclaimed the responsibility.
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There's no point in uploading metadata unless it's visible. If you don't want it to be visible, don't upload it.
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If you don't want it to be visible, don't upload it.
And what if I want it to be visible for trusted parties only?
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What if I want a pony? We'll both be disappointed.
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Yeah, and if I need to access your server, you'll give me the root password.
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Maybe it would bring awareness if someone created an 'app' that showed the following:
A person is standing on a street with their iPhone (or gPhone).
Looking through the iPhone you see a duplication of the houses you see through the person's eyes.
Zoom in to the iPhone and see 2 things on each house:
1) A number with a dollar sign and the word 'goods' after it.
2) A line of text like 'vacation', 'at work', 'at home', or 'nosy neighbor'
Common sense isn't enough yet (Score:2)
People think of tweeting as a public broadcast, but for some totally irrational and unrealistic "reason", they don't think of unencrypted email as a public broadcast, so they're still happy to leak all sorts of private data which can be used against them. And while we all laugh at the Tweeter who does that, most people (i.e. the benchmark for defining "common" sense) don't laugh at the crypto-avoiders who effectively,
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So the WWW came before the computer, and well before 1989 (when TBL proposed to build it) ?
And you are so rich, you have nothing to steal?
You must be the head of some world-ruling conspiracy. WTF are you doing on Slashdot?
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Waiting for his official welcome.
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Adding geographic information is certainly part of augmented reality, it gives you more data to overlay on a particular reality; your lack of a decent viewer for the data doesn't change that.
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No no no, you have it all wrong.
Augmented Reality is what the *theives* are gonna be using - as they walk around, they see geo-tagged pictures of 50" TVs pop into view, and next to them, the twitter feed stating the owner is away on vacation...
The guy on vacation is just using "Distorted Reality" believing that all that info he posted on the internet was a good idea, and he has thousands of internet friends looking at it.
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Social networking is fun. You can buy a new TV, you can't buy back having wasted your life hiding.
You also can't buy back all that wasted time sitting in front of the computer mindlessly staring at Twitter and Facebook...