Alleged 'CEO Shooter' Luigi Mangione Raises $297K Online (people.com) 338
Luigi Mangione faces first-degree murder charges. On Valentine's Day he posted his first public comments online, reports People magazine, with Mangione saying he's grateful for the support he's receiving:
Earlier this week, Mangione accepted $297,000 in donations to cover his legal bills from the December 4 Legal Committee, which is stewarding a fundraiser on GiveSendGo for his legal defense, according to a post shared by the group. (A source with knowledge of the situation confirmed to PEOPLE that the post was genuine.) The committee — named after the death date of Thompson — said the donations were offered by over 10,000 individual supporters. Mangione's lead attorney, Karen Friedman Agnifilo, told the committee that Mangione "very much appreciates the outpouring of support...."
His federal murder charges could land him the death penalty, and he also faces state murder charges that accuse him of committing an act of terrorism.
His federal murder charges could land him the death penalty, and he also faces state murder charges that accuse him of committing an act of terrorism.
Terrorism? (Score:4, Interesting)
I guess you could describe it as terrorism for certain groups of people. Killing an insurance CEO gave many people hope that the top 1% couldn't get away with whatever they wanted, something reflected in the money going to Mangioni's defense. Maybe giving hope to the downtrodden is synonymous with terrorism against the 1%?
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18 U.S. Code section 2331 says:
(5)the term "domestic terrorism" means activities thatâ"
(A)involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B)appear to be intended--
(i)to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii)to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii)to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C)occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States
Your comment suggests that the murder has at least one of the appearances in clause (B) of this definition, and this is domestic terrorism under federal law. (New York State has a substantively similar definition of terrorism.)
NY state definition of terrorism (Score:4, Informative)
18 U.S. Code section 2331 says:
Just as a note, the terrorism accusation is in the state charge, so the federal definition is irrelevant.
NY state: "A person is guilty of a crime of terrorism when, with intent to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, influence the policy of a unit of government by intimidation or coercion, or affect the conduct of a unit of government by murder, assassination or kidnapping, he or she commits a specified offense."
-- https://criminaldefense.1800ny... [1800nynylaw.com]
The reason for the terrorism charge is that in NY state law, it's only second degree murder unless the victim is a law enforcement officer or the killing is an act of terrorism, and when they originally charged him with only second degree murder, there was a public outrage "why is this only second degree murder when it's clear it was planned and premeditated??"
Full text of the law here: https://ypdcrime.com/penal.law... [ypdcrime.com]
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Re:Terrorism? (Score:5)
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last time it was this bad the rich payed mercenaries and killed citizens. One worker strike actually had a brand new US air plane bomb the strikers! The mountain was preserved for that historic moment when the corrupt US government helped an owner kill it's citizens. Ironically, that monument was mountain top removed for coal mining. it's gone now. Things can get worse. probably will have to. I think Trump's puppets are counting on it; but in this repeat of history they think they'll win.
Biden wanted to
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They will say his goal was to instill fear in the ruling class.
Given the ruling class is the only ones the law seeks to protect; they will absolutely consider him a terrorist. I don't expect his trial to be fair, or a trial.
When the 1% overtly power grabs as with Musk (Score:2)
this is the predictable outcome and, yes, to them it's terrorism.
To a great many unwashed masses it's justice. When this happened you could find fuck loads of insurance denial horror stories on Reddit. Getting shot in the back without even seeing it coming is quite a bit more mercy than they or their ilk show others.
I'm not for vigilantism. But, I understand where the rancor comes from, and that is earned.
Re:When the 1% overtly power grabs as with Musk (Score:4, Informative)
Re: Terrorism? (Score:3)
Violence to effect political change is pretty much the definition of terrorism. Seems to fit.
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Re: Terrorism? (Score:3, Informative)
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Re: Terrorism? (Score:5, Insightful)
The world would be a better place if the two of you realized you're both right.
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What a sick world we live in when multi-billion dollar corporations make profits by denying claims for desperate people.
I agree with you entirely. But I don't think shooting people in the C-suite is the solution.
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Freedom of speech is not freedom to lie or deceive
Look back at history and see how many lies turned out to be true. Look at how many scientific lies turned out to be true. Freedom of speech includes all of it for that reason.
Re: Terrorism? (Score:2)
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Presumably you're referring to the first amendment.
In that context, you don't have a freedom to lie or deceive. There are laws that restrict those kinds of speech, like defamation and fraud.
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Where I live, we have free healthcare and it costs 52% of all government spending
You are so fucking full of shit. What a fucking liar you are! The US has 16% and the world has an average of 10.36% in 2021 [worldbank.org]
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think the full of shit is accurate... you say 52%... when it's 40% for health AND social services... spending on healthcare is going up... but dropping as a percentage of the total. So you're either making things up, or you are selectively choosing what to put forward and misrepresenting them.
This also doesn't account for any of the federal money going toward healthcare in Quebec (since you posted an article specific to Quebec budgets)
In Canada, we spend roughly 8,500 to 9,500 Canadian per person on health
Re: Terrorism? (Score:3)
Re: Terrorism? (Score:5, Informative)
Idiot.
Yeah, I'm going to QUIT and pick another company after I manage to survive them trying to kill and bankrupt me...or in the middle of finding out I'm being screwed. I'm sure the next company will want to take over my crisis... pre-existing conditions made that impossible until government regulation. Oh, and the next company is likely to start out screwing me too... the 1st one had years of my money to cover a crisis while the new one has to make up that initial expense and they ONLY will because the law requires they not reject me.
Don't even get me started on how I'm supposed to be awake to tell the paramedic which hospital nearby is in my insurance network... especially when traveling out of town and getting into a car accident. oh wait! never mind all the rural hospitals are collapsing! I won't make it to a hospital or have a choice either.
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What a sick world we live in when extremists approve murder and are even willing to put money in defending murderers.
I know right. Quite frankly that any CEO of an insurance company is being paid is sick!
Re:Terrorism? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Terrorism? (Score:5, Interesting)
Who could disagree? The first rule of Tautology Club precedes all the other rules of Tautology Club.
That seems simple enough, but there's a lot to unpack here. To simplify a very complex situation, I'll say this: our society has been civil for as long as it has primarily due to the fact that we've lived under a representative democracy. We elected people who are supposed to look out for the best interests of all of their constituents. However, after decades of increasing corruption, as well as SC cases that have institutionalized this corruption, our "representatives" are now little more than puppets for greedy rich people. In other words, we've always had a ruling class, but we used to be able to hold them accountable if they ceased to represent our views. However, now that almost all candidates for Congress are bought, the "ruling class" has shifted from elected politicians to a few ultrawealthy individuals who legally buy those politicians. They make huge donations to SuperPACs on both sides and ostensibly own whoever wins the election, thereby guaranteeing that their interests are served over the interests of all other citizens. We had many decades with peace and prosperity when the ruling class was doing a better job of looking out for us. Once that broke down, people realize that the ruling class is not on their side. You could argue that they never were on our side, but the extent to which they're willing to create laws for the elite at the direct expense of the average person has never been greater in U.S. history.
In almost every country throughout virtually every period of time, there has always been a ruling class. For most of that time, the majority of people are content despite the fact that they're not members of that ruling class, at least to the point that they don't kill members of the ruling class while the rest of the population cheers for them. The question that you seem to be avoiding is: why is this suddenly becoming so popular when we've always had a ruling class?
The fact that his family is rich directly contradicts your theory that the motivation for murdering a CEO is about jealousy of the ruling class.
I haven't heard of any evidence that UH denied a claim for Luigi. As a matter of fact, the evidence seems to be that he wasn't even a client of UH. The suspected motivation is that UH has the highest rate of denied claims and he was acting on behalf of their aggrieved clients.
Violence should always be the last resort and the ruling class have been everything they can to provide the lower and middle classes with no other options as they continue to squeeze more and more from them. You're right that it isn't normal for the masses to cheer for murder, which should tell you how desperate people have become.
This is unfounded nonsense.
That's how it goes (Score:2)
Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
That's how it goes
Everybody knows
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https://youtu.be/Gxd23UVID7k [youtu.be]
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Promote freedom; fight fascism.
And communism. They're both authoritarian and guilty of the same atrocities. Really, your sig should reword that we should "Promote freedom, fight authoritarianism"
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Everybody knows Rudy Giuliani tried selling John Kirakou and others Trump pardons for $2 million each.
Everybody knows Trump pardoned everyone around him no matter the crimes they committed so he is surrounded by a whole organization of loyalists.
And everybody knows the quid pro quo with Mayor Adams is a corrupt and illegal arrangement, but that doesn't matter anymore.
And everybody knows Trump packed SCOTUS so they could crown him Emperor.
The thing is no one wants to do
Oh, well good (Score:3, Insightful)
Now the paragons of morality who daily lecture me on the evils of ... sanity ... are literally fundraising for a murderer because they like his poiltics.
Re: Oh, well good (Score:2)
Didn't Luigi just do what the second amendment folks always dream about?
He used violence in an attempt to restore balance in a system stuck in perpetual imbalance.
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Who are you talking about? For years the media has conditioned us all to believe that the gun lovers will be the ones to conduct targeted political murder. Yet here we are, Luigi and a couple assassination attempts on Trump in the last year.
I certainly do know about JFK and RFK and MLK, but more recently?
Re:Oh, well good (Score:4, Insightful)
because they like his poiltics.
This has nothing to do with politics. They like that a 1%er who was responsible for suffering and pain of countless got their comeuppance.
Re:Oh, well good (Score:5, Insightful)
There are a lot of passionate responses to this post, many of which have gone far out on tangents about politics, gun rights, et al. But, yours hits the nail on the head.
Murder is wrong. People know that. The 10,000 contributors to his defense fund would not themselves murder someone. But, that support says that many peoples can appreciate his motivation - for the reasons you stated.
I would be curious to know how many of them had some personal experience getting screwed by United Healthcare. I have spent my entire professional career trying to get paid by the insurance companies, and there is a common perception among physicians that UHC is one of if not the worst of the health insurers in denying care and payments.
So, this support for the gunman is a reflection of society's sentiments, grass roots democracy. It gives the supporters a chance to voice their opinions on the subject without themselves doing a criminal deed.
Re: Oh, well good (Score:3)
Oh really? You looked over the list of donors and noticed that it is full of people who lecture you all the time? What a coincidence!
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It says more about the reputation of health insurance companies than anything.
When 99% of the comments to the murder are laughing emojis you might have a larger problem.
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Now the paragons of morality who daily lecture me on the evils of ... sanity ... are literally fundraising for a murderer because they like his poiltics.
It's sloppy thinking to talk vaguely about "they", to lump different groups together, to take aspects of one group and project them onto another. The best defense against this sloppy thinking is intellectual self-honesty and precision.
Who exactly are the "they" you're talking about? The intersection of (1) "paragons of morality" which you probably intended sarcastically, (2) people who daily lecture me on the evils of sanity, (3) people who are fundraising for Luigi although I assume you meant "donate", (4)
He's not convicted (Score:5, Insightful)
But let's say the guy is guilty I mean he killed another murderer. So it's really hard to get upset. Especially when he killed a murderer responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Americans every year. I'm not saying we should resort to violence. Not because I don't think the ruling class deserves it but because I don't think it'll work. China tried it. Russia tried it. In the chaos fascists seized power and both countries are hell holes. Violence just doesn't work.
But in the meantime 300k isn't nearly enough to defend against what he's going up against. His legal costs to beat that rap would be in the tens of millions.
Re:Oh, well good (Score:4, Informative)
Yes, that's why we have public defenders. But do you think Mangione comes from a family too poor to cover his legal bills? They have owned country clubs and other high-end businesses -- his grandmother's estate was estimated to be worth upwards of $30M, and perhaps a much as $100M, when she passed away in 2023.
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But do you think Mangione comes from a family too poor to cover his legal bills?
Super smart guy, why doesn't trump pay for his own political bills when running for office? He's not too poor to cover his own campaign bills.
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What do you do to fear a murderous reprisal from your peers?
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The only home invasions are reprisals from neighbors they pissed off and earned it. Yup.
I keep guns for the same reason. I piss off all my neighbors in an effort to tempt them into a home invasion reprisal so I can shoot them.
Your world view is fascinating. How do I sign up for your newsletter?
I heard that the money... (Score:4, Funny)
... was delivered in the form of a box [?] of gold coins, which he had to stand underneath and repeatedly jump-punch to collect.
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Dead man spending (Score:2)
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I wonder how he's going to use all that money after his walk down death row.
Yo do know every cent will go to his lawyers - don't you? The concept of Justified killing is a bit complex. Just as Kyle Rittenhouse is a far right hero. Mangione might be a hero to people who have lost loved ones in order to make a bit more profit, and getting personal renumeration for denying as much healthcare as possible.
Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini - was his end justified? Pretty gruesome, but Italian citizens had a honest beef, the idea of Italy siding with Old Adolph didn't sit well with mos
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> I think it is a crime to go around snuffing people no matter who it is
I would replace 'a crime' with 'wrong'. Crime has a legal definition and actions that fall under it are subject to being selected by the powerful.
>Life is cheap, and getting cheaper all the time.
I believe this is due to the extreme concentration of wealth happening in our society. Too few people have too much, and they are no longer even living in the same world as us. We are inconveniences to have servants deal with, not human
the kyle rittenhouse prosecutor fucked up and if t (Score:2)
the kyle rittenhouse prosecutor fucked up and if the jury did find guilty the judge vary likely would of ruled miss trail.
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Sure he didn't "seek conflict" when his mom dropped him off at a riot with a rifle & he directly walked right into conflict.
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Yes I am sure, because that never happened [wikipedia.org]. Get your facts straight.
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Get your facts straight.
You should listen to yourself. The "second and third guy" were trying to stop the active shooter Rittenhouse from murdering more people.
When you know you have a kangaroo court on your side with a biased judge that will hold your hand while you cry on the stand, you can murder as many people as you want.
Also,
Joseph D. Rosenbaum, a 36-year-old unarmed Kenosha man, ran at Rittenhouse and grabbed the barrel of his rifle after throwing a plastic shopping bag of clothing at him. A former marine testified that Rosenbaum had taunted him and other armed men before the shootings but said he did not consider Rosenbaum a threat. The prosecution questioned why Rittenhouse would feel threatened while holding a rifle, and described him as an armed threat.
Last time I checked, a shopping bag is not a weapon, but you trumpers whine and play the victim so much, it impedes your view of reality. I guess when you rig the courts, you assholes can do wha
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The facts are exactly as I recounted them. Rittenhouse did not murder anyone. Rosenbaum was trying to commit suicide by armed civilian -- apparently he was too lily-livered, or maybe still just too fixated on little boys, to commit suicide by cop. Rosenbaum was not a significant threat when he taunted a large group of armed men and demanded they shoot him, even though he was going around committing arson and throwing rocks. Contrast that with (Wikipedia's account of) when he got shot:
Rittenhouse testified that he then believed himself to be in danger and ran south-west across the lot, aiming for the safety of the Car Source lot buildings. Rosenbaum chased after him. Rittenhouse testified that he heard Ziminski shout to Rosenbaum "Get him and kill him!", and that he soon perceived his avenue of escape to be blocked by vehicles and a group of protesters, and that Rosenbaum was catching up to him.[76] Video footage showed Rittenhouse being pursued across a parking lot by a group of people.[80][60] During the chase, Rosenbaum threw a plastic bag containing socks, underwear, and deodorant at Rittenhouse.[78][31][81]
Ziminski fired a shot into the air, and was later charged with disorderly conduct using a dangerous weapon.[82][35] After the shot was fired, Rittenhouse turned around, to see Rosenbaum now only a few feet away from him.[76] According to McGinniss, who was standing near Rittenhouse at the time, Rosenbaum then shouted "fuck you!" and "lunged" at Rittenhouse and grabbed the barrel of his rifle.[6] Rittenhouse then fired four shots at Rosenbaum, killing him.[83][84][12][85] The bullets perforated Rosenbaum's heart, aorta, pulmonary artery and right lung, fractured his pelvis, and caused minor wounds to his left thigh and forehead.[86][87]
Rittenhouse was not
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It is too bad I just posted and thus can't moderate.
The "facts" people know about the incident with Kyle Rittenhouse, depending on whether they consider him a murderer or not, vary wildly.
Honestly, it is worse than the old McDonalds coffee burn incident.
False things I've heard:
Thinking one or more of those shot were black (all were white)
They were unarmed (only the first was, #2 struck Kyle with a skateboard and was coming in to do it again, #3 had a handgun, Kyle was faster)
Kyle's mom drove him there (he d
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it was premeditated. he worked around guns laws to get that assault weapon legally to the place. he traveled a great distance.
people trying to stop a coward with a mass murder's favorite weapon is not the same as executing a mass murderer in a suit. there is a reason organized crime only gets caught on tax evasion etc, it's because they hide behind a corporation.
So.. when will some smart white guy create "Murder Inc." and place operatives inside insurance companies and HMOs to safely and legally murder peo
It's class warfare (Score:3)
The rich abuse those below them, and that's OK. One guy snaps and fights back, that's not.
Nice system, if you're rich.
I don't like vigilante action, but it's not like change will happen any other way. If you don't want to be a serf, if you don't want your children to be serfs, then the 1% need to be forced to accept a smaller share of society's wealth and a greater share of social responsibility.
The legal and political systems are designed to stop that from happening, which is why I believe killing the extremely wealthy is not just ethical but a moral duty if you have the opportunity.
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Re:It's class warfare (Score:5, Interesting)
The Magna Carta happened at swordpoint. Submitting under credible threat of violence is really all that the most powerful people will react to.
Otherwise they will continue to take more and more, and the bigger the gap between them and us grows, the less human we seem to them.
It is unfortunately human nature, apparently. History books are full of it.
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Murder does not produce productive change. Politics does. Radical politics are worthless and vile.
Capitalism needs (Score:2)
Get out of jail free card (Score:2)
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Nice pro-death penalty argument you have there. Likely unwitting, but still.
Another unwitting aspect of all of this: everyone putting money in this guy's kitty are now being added to government lists. The wealthy of the West see him as a "terrorist" and will see to it that his supporters are docked the appropriate number of Social Credit Score points. Also, I expect the donor list will eventually "leak" as the legal process and conviction proceeds. Enjoy.
And, as some of you unwitting folks has been
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He's got a one-way ticket to "an example" row.
Fair trail? No. Innocent until proven guilty? They've already tagged him guilty and are working on the script of charges. Pardon? They will likely expedite his execution.
He killed one of the ruling class. We're about ready to see how little they care about us and how much they want to keep us in line. Given the fact they've all doubled down on their actions...hiring more security while announcing more AI decisions and more denials.
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Trump would certainly do it for a price and some ass kissing. Why else do you think he set up his own crypto shitcoin? So you can pay him directly,
Times Change (Score:2)
And with changing times business models must adapt. Much the same as “influencers” and independent media producers providing content for free and speculating on attracting paid subscribers to generate a revenue stream, the modern day assassin must now speculate on the most lucrative target and work for free in the hope of attracting subscribers. This model is, of course, an attractive proposition for the patrons since the cost-sharing makes the individual contributions more affordable and it avo
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Re:Shitty people gonna fund shitty people (Score:5, Insightful)
aren't their laws to prevent this scumbag form profiting from this murder
I didn't read the article of course, but the summary says the money is being donated for his legal defense. I don't think paying for legal defense is "profiting" and even guilty people deserve a fair trial. But deserving and receiving are two different things.
Guilty or innocent, you deserve a fair trial, but practical reality is that most people will not receive a fair trial unless they pay a fortune for their defense. Given the general opinion people have of health insurance companies and their executives (i.e. that they are basically criminals who have managed to at least appear to comply with the letter of the law), it's not surprising that people would donate money to ensure that this guy receives the fair trial that he deserves.
He'll probably still be found guilty, and a lot of the people donating money probably don't expect that their donations will buy a not guilty verdict. But when your victim is as hated as a health insurance company CEO, people may be willing to donate some money towards a FAIR guilty verdict.
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Whether it's Nazis or the demented woke, shitty people are always going to give money to shitty people for hurting or murdering people they don't like. There should be laws to punish them for funding crime.
Might be slightly worse than you assume.
In our twisted narcissistic society, I guarantee you women (and some men) are funding him simply because they think he’s “hot”.
Even Shitler would have been jealous.
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Whatever Offends Klansmen Easily
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Whether it's Nazis or the demented woke, shitty people are always going to give money to shitty people for hurting or murdering people they don't like.
There should be laws to punish them for funding crime.
And there are. But that's not what's happening here. People are contributing to Mangione's defense, not his alleged crime.
Everyone deserves a defense in court. Not everyone deserves to get off.
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"Woke" is an adjective which means "I am conservative and I hate this thing".
It's a catch-all term for anything conservatives hate, and consequently, means entirely different things to different people and in different contexts. While it wasn't originally a conservative word (originating in African-American vernacular for "aware of historic systemic biases that persist in society", though it was never [google.com] at all common [google.com] among the left), today it's almost exclusively used by conservatives to describe "anything I
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No. It is a term from the Black community that was stolen and twisted by white liberals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org].
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It's an insult term, just like "trickle down economics." No one claims to support trickle down economics. You use the terms when you want to insult someone.
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I prefer the Governor Ron DeSantis definition.
The governor's general counsel, Ryan Newman, said, in general, it means "the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them." He added that DeSantis doesn't believe there are systemic injustices in the country, reports Florida Politics.
https://www.fox13news.com/news... [fox13news.com]
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I mean... I guess that's the most true to the original meaning, so kudos to him? :)
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Actually, I'd like to amend my below reply. Because, honestly... I get it. No, I really do.
Before I start, though, I'd just like your sentiment: declaring "All X are bad" is wrong, right? That seems to be the core of your feelings, no? All men are bad. All blacks are bad. All Jews are bad. Etc. That sort of viewpoint just leads to genocide, and you want no part in that right?
Okay.
Tell me if this is accurate. You encountered people growing up who did things that made you feel like they stereotyped you as
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How much did you donate to Trump?
Obviously his whole measly paycheck. His next paycheck is going to the building of a golden orange statue of his lord and savior.
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Garfield the cat?
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The fact that you use "woke" and "DEI" as a pejoratives is proof that you are not a decent person. Sorry, but you're clearly angry at the idea of other people having the same rights and opportunities as you.
Maybe you should do a little soul searching and find out why you think talking about and addressing injustice across racial and economic divides ("being woke") and taking active steps to not exclude non-white, non-men from business and employment opportunities (diversity, equity, and inclusion) are someh
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Oh look, the demented have arrived.
For the record, I am a normal, decent person, neither woke nor Maga. I was left of centre, until the left went whacko.
And never forget: It's you woke and your shitty DEI candidates who brought us Trump as president. Again.
You made normal, decent people choose between demented woke and loony MAGA. And look what they chose.
You elected a convicted felon and JD Vance is certainly a DEI hire. His tenure as an investment banker isn't long enough to say if he was successful or not. All we know is the company that Peter Thiel put him in charge of folded up a year after Vance left.
Hell, between Elon and Trump they have 17 children to 8 different women.
Need better examples (Score:5, Informative)
Kyle Rittenhouse was self defense.
Daniel Penny was attempted non lethal self defense, that ended up lethal.
Luigi Mangione stalked and shot an unarmed man multiple times in the back.
You might want better examples. The prior two still faced trial and were exonerated by their juries.
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Re:Need better examples (Score:4, Insightful)
You're doing the same thing Trumpers do when they call something "woke", "DEI", or such. Horseshoe theory is real. Same tactics, just different names.
I suggest you actually educate yourself on Kyle Rittenhouse and Daniel Perry.
There is effectively zero reality in your post.
Kyle's attackers were not unarmed.
Perry was as armed as the man he killed. Basically, he attempted a restraint that police are trained not to use because it can kill, but Penny was a marine, not a police officer.
Mangione was the one that murdered an unarmed civilian.
I'm not a "magat". I voted against Trump. I'll admit, specifically against him, not for Harris.
Re:Need better examples (Score:4, Informative)
Joseph D. Rosenbaum, a 36-year-old unarmed Kenosha man, Rittenhouse shot Rosenbaum four times at close range, killing him
The other people Rittenhouse murdered were trying to stop him because they saw him murder Rosenbaum. They tried to stop an active domestic terrorist shooter. They did more than those, even more disgusting than you, Texas officers
fatal subway chokehold of unarmed NYC homeless man Jordan Neely
You're the magat. (Score:3)
Note people, who resorted to baseless accusations and personal attacks rather than addressing the arguments.
I simply said that you need better examples, and this is what you resort to?
The other people Rittenhouse murdered were trying to stop him because they saw him murder Rosenbaum. They tried to stop an active domestic terrorist shooter. They did more than those, even more disgusting than you, Texas officers
Here, let me quote you: "You lie & lie & lie & lie & lie....."
1. They did not see Rittenhouse shoot Rosenbaum. They reacted to others yelling that Rittenhouse had shot somebody.
2. Rittenhouse didn't murder Rosenbaum, because Rosenbaum had chased Rittenhouse down even as he fled, and Rosenbuam, a convicted pe
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As for Penny bullshit. The hold he did he knew was going to end in death. He had more than enough training to know that. So no again not lethal self-defense just plausible deniability. Like those stand your ground laws that a bunch of boomers are using to shoot kids who wander on
Re:Need better examples (Score:5, Insightful)
Kyle Rittenhouse was self defense.
Rittenhouse showed up with a big gun looking for trouble, and found it.
Weirdly enough, that's legal in the US.
Even more weird, I'm pretty sure if some of his shootouts went the other way, that person also would have been able to claim self-defence.
Daniel Penny was attempted non lethal self defense, that ended up lethal.
Applying a chokehold to an unconscious man for a minute isn't non-lethal self defence.
It probably wasn't intended murder, but it should at least have been manslaughter.
Luigi Mangione stalked and shot an unarmed man multiple times in the back.
You might want better examples. The prior two still faced trial and were exonerated by their juries.
Mangione is definitely guilty of murder, but don't pretend the US right doesn't glorify killers. Heck, if Mangione really wanted to get off he should have murdered a black man in Texas [wikipedia.org].
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You're talking about the CEO of the health insurance company who adopted practices that guaranteed hundreds if not thousands of preventable deaths, right?
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Yes. You don't get to murder executives if you don't like what their company is doing.
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2A nutjobs are always talking about needing 2A to fight oppression.
This is literally what they've been talking about. The system keeps rewarding evil so something intervened.
The fact we've been protecting this type of filth is disgusting.
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How come you acknowledge the executive's rights to murder people, but deny the right of the affected to justice?
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practices that guaranteed hundreds if not thousands of preventable deaths
Can you elaborate? If the deaths were preventable, doesn't that mean that these (mostly very sick) would be immortal, at the mere cost of rewriting their insurance policies?
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If someone says this person will die if they don't have this procedure; and you deny this procedure and say "let them die if they can't afford it"....then I say respect is a two-way street and if you can't respect human life then we shouldn't respect yours.
An eye for an eye may leave the world blind, but turning the other cheek only allows evil to win.
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Alleged? Did the police arrest the wrong person?
"Alleged" means there are charges or indictments against him but he hasn't been convicted yet in a court of law. Nothing more.