Man Used ChatGPT To Plan Las Vegas Cybertruck Blast (thehill.com) 97
According to police, the man killed in the January 1st Las Vegas Cybertruck blast used ChatGPT to plan the explosion. The Hill reports: In a press conference, Tuesday, Las Vegas police released more details of the intentions of 37-year-old Matthew Livelsberger, who died of a gunshot wound prior to the car exploding. Las Vegas Sheriff Kevin McMahill said it was concerning that Livelsberger used ChatGPT, a popular artificial intelligence model created by OpenAI, to carry out the explosion. According to police, Livelsberger asked ChatGPT various questions, including where the largest gun stores in Denver were, information about the explosive targets Tannerite and pistols. "We knew that AI was going to change the game at some point or another in really all of our lives and certainly, I think this is the first incidence that I'm aware of on U.S. soil where ChatGPT is utilized to help an individual build a particular device, to learn information all across the country as they're moving forward," McMahill said.
"And so, absolutely, it's a concerning moment for us," he continued.
"And so, absolutely, it's a concerning moment for us," he continued.
Yeah that tracks (Score:5, Funny)
Explains why he died alone in the car causing only a stir and some bad press for Musk rather than doing anything with any meaningful impact.
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Different truck related New Year's day terrorist incident. This one was just a soldier dealing with stress and head injuries showing signs of incoherence and paranoia whose personal life was falling apart.
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Other than head injuries (as far as I know) - couldn't that statement could apply to either guy?
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Sure. But people seem mystified that someone who had such a responsible job in the military could be that crazy. But it's not a mystery to me when someone who is occupationally exposed to head trauma starts acting in unexpected ways.
When I was in college I took a neuroscience course where we got to handle a number of different animal brains, including human ones. They were extremely delicate; when I noted this the professor said that the brains we'd been handling were preserved with formalin, which actu
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Its a lot like hunters. They get pleasure from the 'sport' of killing animals but rationalize it in their minds to be ok. This inevitably leads to contradictions and other problems in logic that eventually make the brain go crazy. .
Well that explains all those studies we've never seen that claim hunters are more likely to commit violence against other humans! I'm not a hunter, but plenty of family and friends are. None of them have committed violent acts against other humans or animals they aren't hunting. Plus, venison is delicious!
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> couldn't that statement could apply to either guy?
No of course not. Here's a simple rule to keep it straight;
Caucasian = Someone with a mental illness
Anything else = Terrorist
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Or as Family Guy [twimg.com] put it... ;)
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Lemme help you fix that last one.
Radicalized Muslim ISIS convert = Terrorist
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what do you expect from a moslum
I expect more from a "moslum". I don't expect more from an AC who doesn't seem to realise that the perpetrator wasn't actually... a moslim.
Contained (Score:2, Insightful)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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Eh? [newsweek.com]
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While bad press for Musk is pretty standard with the stupid crappy things he says, keeping the bad press up is pretty important and that means trying something new from time to time. Doing it with the "TRUMP" writing in the background is pure genius.
good. (Score:4, Insightful)
I wouldn't mind as much if current AI provided accurate results. But right now it's just a stupidity amplifier on top of the existing stupidity amplification of the Internet.
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Explains why he died alone in the car causing only a stir and some bad press for Musk rather than doing anything with any meaningful impact.
Pretty much this.
I'm not a good terrorist, in fact I'm sure I'd be a terrible one with my dislikes of death, dismemberment and loud noises... but even I know if he really wanted to do some damage he should have filled the tray with ball bearings or other shrapnel.
Fuel and fireworks, no real explosives in there (if there were explosives in the fireworks bursting charges, it would have been a minuscule amount) so all the Cyberstuck did was contain a rather fast fire... Clue... Most cars designed in the
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He wasn't asking ChatGPT how to make bombs. He was asking it where gun stores are and the like. ChatGPT will, of course, refuse bombmaking queries.
Now, if he had run a local LLM, he could have run an uncensored LLM and asked it anything he wanted, including bombmaking details. And there would have been no logs.
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Ended up being good press for Musk too. Everyone is talking about how tough Cybertruck is to have contained the blast and sent it upward rather than to the sides actually killing and maiming passers-by.
Let's hear Sam Altman defense (Score:1)
blablablablablablablabla do no evil blablablablablablablabla for the good of humanity blablablablablablablabla superduper artifical intelligence would have prevented this blablablablablablablabla
Fear Mongering (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:ChatGPT just regurgitating [web] (Score:4, Funny)
Probably tapped into Clippy:
"It looks like you are planning an extravagant suicide. Would you like some help?..."
Terrorist suicide attack. (Score:2)
"It looks like you are planning an terrorist suicide attack. Would you like some help?..."
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ChatGPT is just regurgitating what is already available online.
And from the sounds of it, he only used it as an enhanced search engine. Just as well say Google helps people commit crimes, if they look up the nearest $place_to_attack/steal_from on it. Resources are resources, and they'll be used for both good and bad intentions.
Granted, I'm all for them taking ChatGPT away from the public until they can prevent such nefarious use. In fact, better take away all AI. It *MIGHT* be used to cause harm, just like every other tool ever invented by man, therefore it's dangerous
I didn't think it was a conspiracy before.... (Score:5, Insightful)
...but now it seems it's going to be used as an excuse for regulating and censoring AI.
I find it a bit hard to believe that a Special Forces operative had to resort to using ChatGPT to find a gun store, and make a shitty IED.
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I bet he did, he probably asked related questions of ChatGPT, if it wasn't available he would have googled it instead. But if you can raise fear and panic about it you can sell advertising. The fact is if you really wanted to lookup the largest guns stores in Denver you could probably do it will the yellow pages years ago before the internet existed.
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Re:I didn't think it was a conspiracy before.... (Score:5, Insightful)
We knew that AI was going to change the game [...]
This is not an instance of changing the game. The information could have easily been obtained by classical means, but mentioning this would probably not have create quite as juicy a news story.
Re: I didn't think it was a conspiracy before.... (Score:2)
I promise Google will be happy to give you a list of the largest gun stores in Denver.
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Google works fine if you need to find ways to blow shit up:
https://www.google.com/search?... [google.com]
It can even point you to sources on how to scale it properly for maximum damage:
https://www.google.com/search?... [google.com]
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Exactly, just listen to this:
We knew that AI was going to change the game [...]
This is not an instance of changing the game. The information could have easily been obtained by classical means, but mentioning this would probably not have create quite as juicy a news story.
Yep, this, he basically used Chat GPT instead of Google.
From The Fine Summary:
According to police, Livelsberger asked ChatGPT various questions, including where the largest gun stores in Denver were, information about the explosive targets Tannerite and pistols.
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Exactly, just listen to this:
We knew that AI was going to change the game [...]
This is not an instance of changing the game. The information could have easily been obtained by classical means, but mentioning this would probably not have create quite as juicy a news story.
That line came from the same idiot that earlier said this gem.
"The fact that this was a Cybertruck really limited the damage that occurred inside of the valet because it had most of the blast go up through the truck and out". - The Very Same Moron
Or it was a bunch of fireworks and what, kerosene? in a truck bed. That's why we can watch it burn in the video, instead of you know.. detonating. This is so frustrating. Mentally tag anything said by the Sheriff of Las Vegas as "probably stupid" right out of the g
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...but now it seems it's going to be used as an excuse for regulating and censoring AI.
Would you prefer we put the leash on before or after the deadly riots break out caused by a massive spike in unemployment as Greed is allowed to run-not-walk with AI and steamroll human jobs the millisecond AI version good_enough1.0 is available to work 24/7?
Not sure if you’ve noticed or not, but Greed doesn’t give a flying fuck about you losing your job. Or if another 100 million lose theirs. Greed doesn’t care about social stability. Greed doesn’t care about impact. Greed cares
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I find it a bit hard to believe that a Special Forces operative had to resort to using ChatGPT to find a gun store, and make a shitty IED.
A special forces operative normally has all of the research done for them. They get handed the information they will need for their mission. Then they go and operate.
Re: I didn't think it was a conspiracy before.... (Score:2)
This ... A fair bit of them (given the sf's main mission was enabling/training indigenous forces) was in improvised explosives.
I had a neighbor who was special forces in Vietnam and gave me (was a military obsessed nerd in high school) all his old books from the army
Believe me, this guy did not need to scrape up fireworks and propane tanks, nor "ask chatgpt" for this info.
I was skeptical of the conspiracy theories, but less and less of this makes any sense.
Who cares? (Score:2)
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Too much tech money coming in for that to happen. They'll post about it on Twitter to keep their name visible, but don't expect any consequential action.
TERRORIST (Score:3, Insightful)
Same day 2 truck related terrorist events; 1 is called a terrorist quickly and the white guy still is not called a terrorist while his message reads a lot like a terrorist note.
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Re:TERRORIST (Score:5, Informative)
Did you read the note? it's a threat and trying to inspire others to the cause.
The age-old tactic is to instill FEAR to conform or else. When they do kill some people it's just part of the SAME message - those few victims are dead so it doesn't matter anymore?
The terrorism is the thought that by not meeting their demands, NEXT TIME people will die and it could be YOU! there is no requirement to actually kill people, it's the threat for the future that is fundamental. Furthermore, to instill terror and force conformity doesn't even require killings or even death threats. As the name indicates, it's all about a strong emotion: terror and you avoiding it by complying to the demands.
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The terrorism is the thought that by not meeting their demands, NEXT TIME people will die and it could be YOU!
Sorry but that doesn't track. He came across as a deranged lunatic, not part of a group that has a cause and could in any way affect you. Terrorism is by definition the instilling of terror. We don't feel terrified watching people commit suicide even if they rant and rave beforehand.
If anything the fact that no one died, given the equipment used and the training and capabilities of the person involved should explicitly show there was *no* terror intent. This person could have killed / injured many. He didn'
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Terrorist.
Blame it on the Chinese (Score:4, Funny)
I'm sure someone will blame it on the Chinese for inventing gun powder and Prometheus sharing fire with man.
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Don't give the Tinted One ideas.
Something ain't exactly clear (Score:5, Insightful)
This guy was no basement dweeb military otaku. He was the real deal green beret army with deployments. Although he wasn't an explosives specialist he certainly must have substantial training on how to blow stuff up. Was he not paying attention or was his brain so fried he didn't remember any of it?
Nobody with that background should be trying to do terrorist-grade damage with a bunch of fireworks and the miscellaneous junk he had in that bed. It didn't even all go off.
I don't think he actually had any intent. I think he just went full random.
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Lots of stuff doesn't add up (Score:2)
This guy was no basement dweeb military otaku. He was the real deal green beret army with deployments. Although he wasn't an explosives specialist he certainly must have substantial training on how to blow stuff up. Was he not paying attention or was his brain so fried he didn't remember any of it?
Nobody with that background should be trying to do terrorist-grade damage with a bunch of fireworks and the miscellaneous junk he had in that bed. It didn't even all go off.
I don't think he actually had any intent. I think he just went full random.
Lots of stuff about this event doesn't add up.
It's so inexplicable that I wonder if there was a mistaken identity somewhere, that maybe the driver wasn't Matthew Livelsberger.
According to police, the driver was identified by ID found on the body, and tattoos, with DNA evidence ongoing.
Does anyone know if the DNA evidence came back, and was this definitely Matthew Livelsberger?
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"Does anyone know if the DNA evidence came back, and was this definitely Matthew Livelsberger?"
What if it's not him? Wouldn't that imply someone murdered the real Livelsberger to get his ID?
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The CT was caught driving around the hotel before parking in front.
He would have been seen leaving the vehicle
Re:Lots of stuff doesn't add up (Score:4, Funny)
He was a crisis actor, along with the fleeing pedestrians. The cybertruck was prop designed in a joint effort between Rick Baker and Greg Nicotero. The actors were all paid in unmarked Jordanian dinars.
Re:Lots of stuff doesn't add up (Score:5, Informative)
Apparently he experienced multiple concussions in Afghanistan. Traumatic brain injury can cause personality changes. Often this doesn't happen immediately, but develops over time, so somebody may seem "recovered" from a series of mild concussions but gradually develop paranoia and bizarre thinking patterns.
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Associated Press and BBC are the two big ones.
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It's always rich to hear someone say Trump and "word salad" in the same sentence, especially when we can know that there's great significance to the passage of time [youtube.com] . But, thankfully, we don't have to listen to that anymore -- indeed, we can be unburdened by what has been [youtube.com].
Re:Something ain't exactly clear (Score:4, Interesting)
I don't think he actually had any intent. I think he just went full random.
Agree. If he really wanted to do damage, he could have plowed through the doors of the hotel...or picked some other location that would give more collateral damage.
I think he knew full well that gasoline would be more of a "fwoomp" than a "boom"...and there was no reason to toss in fireworks, other than for spectacle. They certainly weren't going to contribute much to the "explosion".
Re: Something ain't exactly clear (Score:4, Informative)
From his letter:
> This was not a terrorist attack, it was a wake up call. Americans only pay attention to spectacles and violence. What better way to get my point across than a stunt with fireworks and explosives?
He wasn't trying to hurt anyone but himself.
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Citation needed.
Just because an attacker is incompetent does not make him a non-terrorist.
Re: Something ain't exactly clear (Score:4, Informative)
The citation was his own letter. Those are his words, indicating his intent.
The relevant question: How did ChatGPT respond? (Score:2)
It's not too surprising that he used ChatGPT; people use ChatGPT for all kinds of things now, to greater or lesser effect.
What's relevant is how ChatGPT responded, as compared to how we would like a chatbot to respond in such a scenario.
According to the article, ChatGPT gave only publicly available information, and warned him against causing harm. Assuming that's accurate; is it sufficient? If not, is there something else ChatGPT should have done instead?
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Probably as well as ChatGPT's other advice, like using glue to keep the cheese on your pizza. https://www.bbc.com/news/artic... [bbc.com]
No worries... (Score:5, Funny)
... because law enforcement will soon be using ChatGPT to solve crimes. And ChatGPT takes its clients' confidentiality very seriously!
Cybertruck styling (Score:2)
Looked at the after photos -- it's an improvement, a Cybertruck has never looked better. :-)
Is it available as a dealer option or only aftermarket?
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You can get it as an "extreme customization". I agree that it looks like a vast improvement, but it is only complete with the "TRUMP" line in the background.
Re: Cybertruck styling (Score:3)
It was a scheduled rapid disassembly.
Manifesto? (Score:2)
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Perhaps in their mental derangement and depravity they got so wrapped up in their plan and tactics and How to pull of whatever they were thinking that they overlooked whatever their original WHY was or what should happen after they are done.
Should I be concerned? (Score:3)
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Probably not much of a career then.
AI doesn't kill people ... (Score:3)
Has anyone said that yet ?
Have you heard what 10 year old boys are doing with AI?
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Not sure what your point is. If anything it shows that people with AI didn't manage to kill people either.
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I'll spell it out for you. People say guns don't kill people, people kill people, suggesting that guns are neutral. However, if you don't have a gun, you can't shoot someone. I'm implying that AI is indeed BAD. The bad uses of AI outweigh the good uses of AI. Get it?
The example referencing 10 year old boys, is that boys will be boys, and there are documented cases of children, using AI to generate deepfake porn using pictures of girls in their classes.
Tl;dr Guns do kill people, and AI is
LLMs allow morons to do stupid shit easier... (Score:2)
Basically all they can do really well.
He therefore also used the internet and a computer (Score:2)
Perhaps we should ban the internet and computers of all types including smart phones; In addition to trucks and truck rentals, because they're all involved in the commission of major crimes at some point as well.
I don't think it should be considered a startling revelation that a useful tool like ChatGPT gets used for all purposes good and evil; same as Google search, Maps, directories, Etc.
The weird and dumb concept is the notion that you can somehow design a piece of technology so that won't be the
Obviously! (Score:2)
Many people, including me, use ChatGPT as search engine since Google has become worthless.
ChatGPT returns "exactly" what you ask it, not what it 'thinks' you want, like Google.
it sure does (Score:2)
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Neither exist apparently.
So what about ChatGPT? (Score:2)
The guy looked up information online, he could have done that any number of ways. He could have used a regular search engine, maybe even a phone book and a paper encyclopedia if these things still exist. In fact, I suspect ChatGPT wasn't optimal, it tends to be annoying with any search that can be linked to criminal activity, it also tends to hallucinate when looking for places and businesses, for example, it may invent a gun shop where there is none. It is also terrible for privacy, and for committing crim
So much wrong... (Score:3)
There is so much wrong with this story.
First, as numerous military bloggers have pointed out: this guy had access to high quality explosives, and the knowledge to use them. If he wanted something to go boom, it would have gone BOOM.
Second, he "died of a gunshot to the head". I hope there is a serious and neutral autopsy to establish time of death. It seems entirely plausible that he was killed and then planted in this vehicle. GIven Tesla self-driving, this need not necessarily show a second person in the area.
Third, the guy was - as many military folk are - a fan of Trump. It isn't even remotely likely that he would do something that was clearly intended to discredit both Musk and Trump.
Finally - regarding TFA: Just why is ChatGPT is being brought into this? It seems entirely irrelevant to the entire event. I wonder if it is one step towards pushing for government regulation and control of AI...
ChatGPT, where is the nearest gas station? (Score:4, Funny)
If you can't make a cybertruck explode on your own (Score:1)