During Georgia School Shooting, Newly-Installed Tech Spread Warnings and Called Police (cnn.com) 255
A schoolteacher using an interactive whiteboard is surprised by an alert. Their school is in "hard lockdown." They knew — instantly — something was about to happen, and "got everybody into a corner," they later told CNN. Classroom doors at the school are always locked, so they then "turned off the lights. And just kind of held everyone nice and tight, and just said, 'Wait for everything to happen, everything to pass.'"
The school was Apalachee High School in Winder, Georgia, where on Wednesday 11 students were shot and two killed. Two schoolteachers were also killed. But according to CNN, social studies teacher Stephen Kreyenbuhl "said the school's new alert system bought him critical time to prepare and protect his students before a shooter opened fire just down the hall..." The CrisisAlert system, designed by Centegix, includes a device the size of an ID badge. It's equipped with a button that, when pressed rapidly, can quietly notify administrators and local law enforcement to the exact location of an active emergency. The company works with school districts and law enforcement agencies to integrate the system into their current safety procedures and automate as much as possible. Barrow County Sheriff Jud Smith told CNN Apalachee High School had the system for less than a week and had tested it for the first time only the day before the shooting... Brent Cobb, the company's CEO, told CNN in an interview earlier this year that their CrisisAlert technology was designed following the 2018 Parkland high school shooting in Florida to give teachers and administrators a fast and discreet way to call for help.... "[Y]ou need everyone to know immediately" that a crisis is taking place.
Once a lockdown is activated, the CrisisAlert system is designed to trigger a series of responses: Pre-recorded warnings sound over the intercom system to alert the entire campus to the lockdown, while on-site safety administrators, like school resource officers [a law-enforcement officer with arrest powers, usually armed], are notified of the location of the incident. Cobb told CNN in some school districts the system is also integrated with local law enforcement agencies and can automatically call 911 and send messages to officers of the exact location of the incident. This is what happened in Barrow County. The goal, he said, is to help decrease police response times, an issue that has come under scrutiny in recent years following the shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, where it took officers 77 minutes to adequately respond to a shooter.
In an exclusive interview with CNN Thursday, Smith scrolled through the series of alerts and the detailed map his officers received to guide them to where the shooting was happening... [Social studies teacher] Kreyenbuhl said he is grateful the district implemented a system that enabled him to protect his students. "I actually saw the lockdown initiate before I even heard the gunshots, so I had time to prepare," he said.... "It's insane the technology we have access to."
The school was Apalachee High School in Winder, Georgia, where on Wednesday 11 students were shot and two killed. Two schoolteachers were also killed. But according to CNN, social studies teacher Stephen Kreyenbuhl "said the school's new alert system bought him critical time to prepare and protect his students before a shooter opened fire just down the hall..." The CrisisAlert system, designed by Centegix, includes a device the size of an ID badge. It's equipped with a button that, when pressed rapidly, can quietly notify administrators and local law enforcement to the exact location of an active emergency. The company works with school districts and law enforcement agencies to integrate the system into their current safety procedures and automate as much as possible. Barrow County Sheriff Jud Smith told CNN Apalachee High School had the system for less than a week and had tested it for the first time only the day before the shooting... Brent Cobb, the company's CEO, told CNN in an interview earlier this year that their CrisisAlert technology was designed following the 2018 Parkland high school shooting in Florida to give teachers and administrators a fast and discreet way to call for help.... "[Y]ou need everyone to know immediately" that a crisis is taking place.
Once a lockdown is activated, the CrisisAlert system is designed to trigger a series of responses: Pre-recorded warnings sound over the intercom system to alert the entire campus to the lockdown, while on-site safety administrators, like school resource officers [a law-enforcement officer with arrest powers, usually armed], are notified of the location of the incident. Cobb told CNN in some school districts the system is also integrated with local law enforcement agencies and can automatically call 911 and send messages to officers of the exact location of the incident. This is what happened in Barrow County. The goal, he said, is to help decrease police response times, an issue that has come under scrutiny in recent years following the shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, where it took officers 77 minutes to adequately respond to a shooter.
In an exclusive interview with CNN Thursday, Smith scrolled through the series of alerts and the detailed map his officers received to guide them to where the shooting was happening... [Social studies teacher] Kreyenbuhl said he is grateful the district implemented a system that enabled him to protect his students. "I actually saw the lockdown initiate before I even heard the gunshots, so I had time to prepare," he said.... "It's insane the technology we have access to."
Problem solved! (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Problem solved! (Score:5, Informative)
America made the decision long ago that it loves guns more than children.
Canada has children, schools, and people that own guns. Yet they don't seen monthly school shootings.
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Mass shootings since January 2023:
September 7, 2024
September 4, 2024
September 2, 2024
July 13, 2024
July 6, 2024
June 23, 2024
June 21, 2024
June 15, 2024
May 30, 2024
April 29, 2024
February 18, 2024
February 14, 2024
February 7, 2024
January 21–22, 2024
January 4, 2024
December 6, 2023
December 5, 2023
October 29, 2023
October 29, 2023
October 25, 2023
August 26, 2023
August 23, 2023
July 14, 2023
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Re:Problem solved! (Score:5, Informative)
Given that the majority of those were gang slayings and one was the assassination attempt on Trump, your list is invalid. The rise of mass killings by non gang members only occurred after the meteoric rise in psychotropic drug prescriptions among young adults from the late 80's onwards. Almost as if purposefully fucking with brain chemistry can occasionally have very nasty side effects.
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The gang/drug slayings are caused pretty much entirely by the Drug War. If you want to stop them, the answer is to legalize all drugs for adults. Prior to the First Drug War, aka Prohibition, the only gangs were composed of bank and train robbers, they were pretty small, and there weren't many of them. It was only with the advent of a revenue stream which was not location dependent and composed of transportable high margin consumable goods that gangs started to get big in the US.
It is funny you should menti
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It's not that we decided we like guns more than children; it's that we decided we don't want to think about it. The political refrain after a mass school shooting is always, "now is not the time" to think about what we should do about guns. Given that in the years between 2005 and 2022 there were fourteen major mass school shootings, blacking out aftermath periods doesn't leave us much opportunity to do something about guns, and that's no accident. We'd rather think about hardening schools because that's *
Re:Problem solved! (Score:4, Insightful)
So it was a criminal that shot up this school? It was a criminal that took a pot shot at Trump?
Oh no the cautionary tale of Canada where I won't go bankrupt from getting cancer without insurance and my children don't risk being shot in school? How awful.
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It was a criminal that took a pot shot at Trump?
I think it was Crooks.
Re:Problem solved! (Score:4, Insightful)
Well, yes....a non-criminal would not have committed such a heinous criminal act.
Yes...same answer as above.
What's interesting is what is NOT being reported much on this case.
1. I appears the shooter was a LGBTQXYZ++ person....that seems to be downplayed here.
Looks to possibly have contributed to mental issues.
2. A good guy with a gun helped stop this attach quickly...one of the armed resource officers at the school ran towards the fire and confronted the criminal and gave a quick choice, either surrender, or lead poisoning.
The criminal chose the latter.
This could have been a WHOLE lot worse.
Yet, you see very little fanfare on the brave folks that stopped this incident.
Re:Problem solved! (Score:5)
Is it better or worse than the US?
Well, among 11 high-income countries, the United States ranked LAST in equity, access, and outcomes for health care (https://journals.lww.com/ajnonline/fulltext/2017/10000/united_states_flunks_an_international_health_care.9.aspx). Australia, Canada, France, Germany, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, and Switzerland were the other countries ranked.
So the simple answer to your question is yes, the Canadian Healthcare system is better in general than the U.S. "system." I will add one caveat that, like many things in the U.S., if you are quite wealthy, then your outcomes will be much different than those of the middle- and lower-income categories (if you are rich you can afford the best healthcare in the world, which you can find for the right $$ in the United States). But the U.S. "system" fails everyone else.
Re:Problem solved! (Score:5, Insightful)
I mean Canada, Australia, the UK can can call them "cautionary" all you want but fact is in those countries the strict limiting of firearms does in fact reduce gun crime, if that is the outcome you want. And it's not like Canada has no guns, they are still 4th highest in the world in terms of ownership (but that is still 1/4 of the US)
The U.S. has the 28th-highest rate of deaths from gun violence in the world: 4.31 deaths per 100,000 people in 2021. That was more than seven times as high as the rate in Canada, which had 0.57 deaths per 100,000 people — and about 340 times higher than in the United Kingdom, which had 0.013 deaths per 100,000.
https://www.npr.org/sections/g... [npr.org]
So the idea that it doesn't work or that only criminals don't get guns isn't true, it's kindof a bad argument. The real argument is that in the US we have a 2nd Amendment and unless that is changed we should accept the law of the land and do the other 4 dozen things we could do to affect gun violence since it's just not in our laws or our culture to ban guns so let's stop even talking about that.
Re:Problem solved! (Score:5, Interesting)
The Second Amendment is taken out of context in two senses: (1) it prescribes gun ownership under a "well-regulated militia", these days that means a state's National Guard. (2) the guns the founders were talking about were muzzling loading deals where you couldn't fire 30 rounds in 2 seconds.
The gun-nuts in America are walking time bombs. No one knows when what of these nut-jobs is going to go ape-shit with their guns, or whether one of their kids decides to act out with their parents' guns.
Re:Problem solved! (Score:4, Informative)
1) It does no such thing. Someone needs to take a remedial English course.
2) In reality, the founders knew about multi-shot weapons and tube fed mag guns and specifically rejected a magazine flintlock design because the inventor wanted entirely too much per gun. Moreover, to assume that educated students of history wouldn't understand that personal weapons of war would continue to evolve is complete and total idiocy. While they had no frame of reference for fighter jets, NBC weapons, and directed energy weapons all others were eminently within their capability to imagine.
https://www.forgottenweapons.c... [forgottenweapons.com]
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A flintlock is an offensive weapon, not a defensive one. The reason is because black powder is corrosive to the barrel and so you wouldn't load the weapon until you were ready to use it. That precludes self-dense uses when the other person is armed with a knife or a sword. "Never bring a gun to a swordfight!"
Rimfire cartridges were invented much later. I'm certain that the reason why the 2nd Amendment did not specifically guarantee individuals the right to own arms was because the Founders anticipated that
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No, just... no. There was nothing wrong with leaving a flintlock loaded for weeks to a couple months in conditions that weren't stupidly humid. So long as the pan was kept clear and the gun had been cleaned properly before doing so corrosion would be minimal, especially if you blocked the touch hole with something non-permeable.
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This clause being of an expository nature, it does not constrain the scope of the rest of this sentence.
Look, I'd be all for restricting the scope of guns further, and have no particular attachment to them. I've worked as a military contractor, so I've been around them extensively, but I don't own one nor do I have a strong desire to. Still, a plain reading of the 2nd amendment does not restrict guns strictly to militia's. It wants citizens to be able to arm themselves so that a militia is possible. The
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The 2A is itself an amendment, an addition added later when it became clear that something needed to change.
In the current political landscape changing the 2nd is basically impossible, and the constitution supersedes all other law. Not to mention the courts are currently packed with judges with lifetime appointments who will stick to the most reactionary interpretation of it.
I think our culture is sick and is producing far too many sick people. That's something we can attack. I don't have a prescription that is workable in our current political climate, but America seems to be breaking people as fast as we can
Re:Problem remains! (Score:2)
You're interpretation of the Second Amendment is wholly wrong. It's a good thing too, otherwise your Slashdot posts could be arbitrarily deleted by the government because the internet wasn't invented when First Amendment was created.
Maybe you should start by reading the Wikipedia article on the Second Amendment.
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The Second Amendment is taken out of context in two senses: (1) it prescribes gun ownership under a "well-regulated militia", these days that means a state's National Guard.
That is not true, nor has it ever been. I'm not going to spend an hour detailing the legal differences, a simple search of "national guard vs militia" will tell you everything you need to know.
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Maybe but you have to admit at the time of the writing in the 18th century that was not the understanding. "National Guard" wasn't a thing to the founders but state militias which the individual states were very keen on protecting were a real important part of life.
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I agree with you on the milita intepretation, problem is the USSC disagrees so right now the intepretation is an individual rights one. until they get another case decisions like Heller are the law.
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it prescribes gun ownership under a "well-regulated militia", these days that means a state's National Guard
248 years ago we might have needed a 'well-regulated (civilian) militia', because there wasn't much of a military yet, and we sure as fuck didn't have a formal 'national guard' yet, but in 2024 we do have a 'National Guard' in every State, therefore we do not NEED civilians who have entire arsenals of military-style weapons in their houses.
I think it's time to amend the Constitution to at least limit civilian firearm ownership rights, if not eliminate them completely.
I think we've proven that there are t
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Sure, trends and rates are things but what do they look like now on a whole? From what I can see the US still has a per capita homicide rate of 4x Australia.
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The claim was that the gun ban had something to do with the decline. If America saw the same or greater decline in rate(And in fact much of the stable polities in the world saw a similar decline at the same time), then the cause could not be the Aussie gun ban. The most likely cause was the violence decline being a lagging indicator of lead being removed from the environment in the generation following it's removal from gas and paint.
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Yeah i can admit that definitely could be the case and the hard claim of gun bans equal lower homicides I can concede that may not be entirely true. I think there is something to be said these other countries do not have a mass shooter problem like the USA but theres no chance of a gun ban or buyback, ever, in the USA. Mass shooters are what are really driving the discussion obviously so even if gun bans were shown to stop that alone there will be calls for it, unfortunately.
That said I don't think we can
Re:Problem solved! (Score:5, Informative)
American gun owners should see Canada as a cautionary tale more than anything else.
Let's examine that 'cautionary' tale. In Canada, to buy a gun you have to:
1) Take a firearms safety course
2) Take an additional firearms safety course if you're buying a restricted gun
3) Pass an exam on the courses that you've taken
4) Apply for a Possession and Acquisition license
5) Pass all the background checks that are a normal part of the license application
6) Buy and register the gun
7) Enjoy living in a country that doesn't average 1.5 mass shootings per day
Honestly, I'm not sure what I should be cautious of.
Re:Problem solved! (Score:4, Informative)
American gun owners should see Canada as a cautionary tale more than anything else.
Let's examine that 'cautionary' tale. In Canada, to buy a gun you have to: 1) Take a firearms safety course 2) Take an additional firearms safety course if you're buying a restricted gun 3) Pass an exam on the courses that you've taken 4) Apply for a Possession and Acquisition license 5) Pass all the background checks that are a normal part of the license application 6) Buy and register the gun 7) Enjoy living in a country that doesn't average 1.5 mass shootings per day
Honestly, I'm not sure what I should be cautious of.
No gun owners here have a problem with background checks, safety training, or safe storage regs. That is quite different from banning guns, just as needing a license is not the same as banning cars. Nice try though. Registration is problematic because governments are not trustworthy. Stephen Harper killed the long-gun registry because he knew future governments could not be trusted to not abuse it, and what do you know? - the very next government after his uses registrations to facilitate confiscation. Almost like it was predictable or something.
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That's similar to the Night of the Long Knives where Hitler assassinated his political opponents, many or all of whom owned guns.
This thoroughly debunks the fantasy that your guns will protect you from your own government.
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This thoroughly debunks the fantasy that your guns will protect you from your own government.
Sometimes yeah, sometimes no. Pretty situational, but civil war is still a thing, as are insurgencies (or resistance, depending which side you are on).
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And members of the militia! Because the authors of the Bill of Rights were not concerned with an "individual" or "personal" right to bear arms. [archive.org]
That is a crock of crap article. Go read what the founders said about being armed. George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, George Mason, Noah Webster, James Madison, Richard Henry Lee, Patrick Henry, Thomas Paine, Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and I'm tired of listing names. Every one of these guys said that the citizens should be armed. EVERY SINGLE ONE.
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Thomas Jefferson: "No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms." Later: "No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms [within his own lands or tenements]" [monticello.org]
It's interesting how his wording became more and more gun-control between drafts of the Virginia Constitution (1776), and even more so by the time of the 2nd Amendment (1791) which doesn't mention individual freemen, only militias.
Re: Problem solved! (Score:2)
In very curious how this 14 year-old got sn "AR Style" gun into school? Did it fit in his backpack? Did he assemble it from pieces in the bathroom?
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Did it fit in his backpack?
If you remove the BCG and separate the upper and lower receivers, an AR-15 can fit in a backpack.
Did he assemble it from pieces in the bathroom?
Maybe. Connecting the upper and lower receivers, and reinserting the BCG takes about 15 seconds.
BCG = Bolt Carrier Group
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Agreed. What kind of country has a family that thinks giving a 14 year old boy a combat rifle, and access to the ammunition for it, a good idea?
They are not crazed nutters. They are a product of the society they live in. God help your country.
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In instead of all this high-tech Rube Goldberg nonsense, why not just get rid of the guns?
While I am in favor of reasonable gun control laws, this is not going to solve the entire issue. The root cause for these shootings needs to be determined, or they'll just find another way to cause more death. But where in this country we're more concerned with incarceration than reform and prevention, that will not happen anytime soon.
Re:Problem solved! (Score:4, Informative)
No, they won't find another way to cause so many deaths, because guns are much the most efficient method. 14 year olds can't use a vehicle to kill their teachers and classmates in school, because a vehicle can't physically get inside. They can't use a knife or flail or hammer to kill on the same scale as guns, because those are all close quarter weapons and don't kill people at the same rate, and they'll be overpowered at some point. They can't use a bow and arrow or crossbow to kill at the same rate, because those weapons have nowhere near the same rate of fire as guns, and require a significant amount of skill.
It's the guns that are the problem, and beyond that, it's this complete inability of people to accept that yes, it's the guns that are the problem that is the secondary problem.
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They did - wasnt this school a no gun zone?
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In instead of all this high-tech Rube Goldberg nonsense, why not just get rid of the guns?
Because then the baby Jesus will cry! /s
The Fascist Pig Party ('Republicans', if you can still call them that with a straight face) just considers school shootings and mass shootings to be 'acceptable losses' in the face of their people (i.e. 'conservative' voters, or so they believe themselves to be) being armed to the teeth, for when they decide the Red States should secede and start Civil War 2.
Of course none of that will be allowed to happen, but in the meantime the addled-brain gun nuts with their MA
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Alternatively, quit pumping children full of psychotropic drugs.
Do you have any evidence that school shooters are more likely to be on psychotropic drugs?
None of the reporting on the Georgia kid says anything about drugs.
Re:Problem solved! (Score:4, Informative)
Almost as if HIPAA regs mean that their medical records are not allowed to be released. And that police tox screens don't screen for drugs like SSRIs. And that even after discontinuing them they continue to fuck with your brain chemistry for several months. Even within those constraints however 23% of mass shooters are publicly known to have been on prescription psychotropic medications. However that list does not include any private medical records which means the base percentage has an overwhelmingly large probability to be higher. Combine that with the facts that it includes gang shootings and drug dealing incidents, that every single SSRI comes with warnings of side effects of homicidal and suicidal impulses, the virtual complete lack of non-gang related mass shooting incidents prior to the dumping of mind-bending prescriptions among the younger population in the late 80's, and that plenty of the high profile killers were known to have been taking them including the big ones that started it off, the Columbine killers, and all circumstantial evidence points to a significantly stronger link to non gang/drug mass shootings than American gun culture. In order to be sure however, you would need to pass laws mandating incident tox screens to include all psychotropic prescription drugs and write and exception into HIPAA so that the medical records of mass killers could be released.
As for the Georgia kid, we know he had plenty of psych issues so I wouldn't exactly be surprised when it turns out he was on something.
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I'd rather live in a country where the entire scenario you described is considered dystopian fiction.
Parkland Florida had the exact same thing you describe. An armed policeman on campus. When shots rang out he turned into a giant coward and sat outside. The official protocol was to engage the shooter immediately. He was charged and acquitted of course and then retired. Fuck that guy. https://www.tampabay.com/news/... [tampabay.com]
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I'd rather live in a country where the entire scenario you described is considered dystopian fiction.
Parkland Florida had the exact same thing you describe. An armed policeman on campus. When shots rang out he turned into a giant coward and sat outside. The official protocol was to engage the shooter immediately. He was charged and acquitted of course and then retired. Fuck that guy. https://www.tampabay.com/news/... [tampabay.com]
Yes, It is amazing how often and how quickly rugged individualist alpha males turn into that guy.
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You say that like it's a bad thing - imagine, school officials being alerted to the location of an on-campus outbreak of violence within moments of it starting... what's wrong with that?
The need for it in the first place?
In this case the presence of an armed, on school grounds resource officer put this shooting down in mere moments after it started, without firing a shot and took the shooter into custody.
Four people were killed. The shooting was not "put down" in mere moments. Which misses the point enti
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Errr yes. The idea of any school requiring either of those is very wrong in my mind. I thought America was a first world country. The idea of not being able to sit in a classroom without getting shot is the kind of thing we typically think of when we look to a war torn 3rd world tribal nation ruled by gangs and dictators.
The fact you are praising bandaid solutions makes you part of the problem.
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But it's a very bad thing that school shootings happen sufficiently frequently to make developing and deploying such systems a sensible decision. Is there any other country apart from the U.S. where such systems make sense?
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Is there any other country apart from the U.S. where such systems make sense?
Many countries in Latin America have more per capita gun deaths than America.
What a uniquely American problem (Score:3)
Shootings in schools happening so frequently they have developed special alert systems.
How about we get some of that special glass thet JD Vance stands behind at his gun free rallies? https://abcnews.go.com/Politic... [go.com]
Squirrel! (Score:5, Informative)
The Georgia school shooter's mother called the school [washingtonpost.com]
From that link:
That account is supported by a call log from the family’s shared phone plan, which shows a 10-minute call from the mother’s phone to the school starting at 9:50 a.m. — about a half-hour before witnesses have said the gunman opened fire.
“I was the one that notified the school counselor at the high school,” Marcee Gray texted her sister following the shooting on Sept. 4, according to a screenshot of the exchange. “I told them it was an extreme emergency and for them to go immediately and find [my son] to check on him.”
And the administrator confused the shooter with another shooter, and confiscated the wrong student's bag:
Around the same time, a school administrator went to the son’s math classroom, according to Lyela Sayarath, a student in the class. Sayarath said there seemed to be confusion involving another student in the class with a name similar to that of Gray’s son. Neither student was in the room, and the official left with a backpack belonging to the similarly named student, she said. The shooting began minutes later.
He was having mental health problems:
The texts also show that the school and family were in contact about his mental health a week before the shooting, and that Brown told a relative the teen was at the time having “homicidal and suicidal thoughts.”
Brown previously told The Post that her nephew had spent months “begging” for mental health help, and that the “adults around him failed him.” His struggles were complicated by a difficult home life, she said.
Oh, and FBI interviewed him last year:
In May 2023, local law enforcement officers contacted the teen after receiving an FBI tip about online threats to carry out a school shooting, according to records released by the Jackson County Sheriff’s Office. The teen denied that he had made any such threats. Colin Gray told authorities at the time that he kept hunting rifles in the house, and that his son was allowed to use them with supervision but did not have “unfettered access.”
Let's all despair over the fancy new tech that informs teachers when shootings happen elsewhere in the school, but whatever else happens,
don't look at the elephants in the room!
Look! Squirrel!
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Funny how basically _nobody_ else has that problem. Sure, very rarely this happens in other places. But in the US it is basically a weekly occurrence. What is wrong with you people?
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"'No Way to Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens" [wikimedia.org]
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Even fighting crime is now reduced to tolerance and litigation. Theft is priced into economy. Everyone must be free to do the harm they want to others...
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No, there's a whole ecosystem around it nowadays.
You've got basic school supplies like kevlar backpacks. You've got active shooter drills (replacing the old nuclear prep drills during the Cold War). You've got products designed to bolt into the floor to barricade the doors.
Basically the whole school shooting thing has a whole industry of protections. And more stuff is being created every day.
It won't be long until places
When seconds matter... (Score:4, Interesting)
The county’s Battalion 1 unit arrived on scene 8 minutes later, and emergency rescue services entered the school by 10:34 a.m.
I'm not saying they were too slow but I am saying that the idea that this fixes anything is patently absurd. Gun ownership needs real regulation. You hobby is NOT more important than the lives of victims.
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I would really like to see what would happen if BLM started doing open carry protests in cities. See my signature for what happened when the Black Panthers tried it last.
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I would really like to see what would happen if BLM started doing open carry protests in cities.
BLM protestors in Seattle carried rifles, including AR-15s.
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Gun ownership needs real regulation. You hobby is NOT more important than the lives of victims.
Oh yeah! Come take my guns [imgur.com]!
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I'm not saying they were too slow but I am saying that the idea that this fixes anything is patently absurd. Gun ownership needs real regulation. You hobby is NOT more important than the lives of victims.
Classroom doors at the school are always locked..
Im not saying anti-gun zealots ultimately want to disarm everyone, but when you refuse to acknowledge a failure of their own fucking policy, it tends to scream a strong message. (The shooter attempted to enter his own classroom which was locked, but found the “always locked” one across the hall cracked open.)
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Who are you quoting? I never wrote that.
Strawman argument at best.
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> You hobby is NOT more important than the lives of victims.
People have been putting out thoughts and prayers. They've been working really really hard at this. Surprisingly it hasn't worked. Maybe we just need to dial it up a notch. Make prayer mandatory after every shooting?
Some people have also said that if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. This is a good point. Since criminals do not obey laws, we should reconsider murder as a crime. It is already illegal, but people keep doing it.
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You should leave this country.
Go somewhere like Mao's China or Stalin's Russia.
Citizen disarmament will make you happy.
In this country we do dangerous liberty, not totalitarian "safetyism".
His Mom Rang School 30 Min In Advance to Warn Them (Score:2)
With that much advanced notice and the history of school shootings in the USA, you'd think they have had their shit together quickly. Btw, the kid didn't live with his mother, so she must have had some contact with him.
Given that 30 minutes wasn't enough, I guess they couldn't find a good man with a gun.
Re: His Mom Rang School 30 Min In Advance to Warn (Score:4, Informative)
Given that 30 minutes wasn't enough, I guess they couldn't find a good man with a gun. /s Fucking Americans and NRA John Wayne bullshit thinking.
You do know the campus was put on lockdown before the shooting started, right?
You do know that the school had an armed resource officer on-campus, right?
You do know that the armed resource officer took the shooter into custody within moments of getting to the shooter, right?
WTF does "NRA John Wayne thinking" mean?
(You are aware that the NRA offers schools security assessments and advice, and offers to help train staff to defend/protect students, [nraschoolshield.org] right?)
I'm curious how the student brought a rifle on to campus and into the building? Aren't doors locked? Don't faculty watch students entering building looking for rifles?
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WTF does "NRA John Wayne thinking" mean?
(You are aware that the NRA offers schools security assessments and advice, and offers to help train staff to defend/protect students, [nraschoolshield.org] right?)
I'm curious how the student brought a rifle on to campus and into the building? Aren't doors locked?
You're one step away from talking about crisis actors and fake news. John Wayne thinking means buying a gun for your child with behavioral problems. In fact it's why the father is in jail right now. https://apnews.com/article/geo... [apnews.com]
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I'm curious how the student brought a rifle on to campus and into the building? Aren't doors locked? Don't faculty watch students entering building looking for rifles?
An AR-15 easily separates into two pieces that can fit in a backpack.
The pieces can be reconnected in a few seconds.
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The kid texted the mom with something along the lines of "Sorry for what I am about to do", she realised it means he was probably going to do what he had previously threatened to do and called the school councellors. Unfortunately the school councillors didn't know this troubled kid well enough and confiscated the backpack of another kid with a very similar name.
I am sure that will be haunting them for a long time, and but for that coincidence in name similarity this might have been a story at the b
It's insane the technology we have access to (Score:2)
That really isn't what's insane in this country.
A couple of thoughts (Score:2, Interesting)
1) Security systems are at best a bandaid on a sucking chest wound. There's a reason kids are grabbing guns and mowing down classmates. According to some CNN-gathered stats I just googled, the US had 288 school shootings from 2009-2018. The next highest total was Mexico with... 8. Maybe tell the gun nuts to sit down, adults are talking, and start addressing ammosexual culture as the problem it is.
2) I'm not even sure lockdowns are a decent solution. They're great for containing a shooter so the cops c
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Maybe tell the gun nuts to sit down, adults are talking
Every time that's been tried, swing voters in Pennsylvania and the Upper Midwest support Republicans, and Democrats lose the next election.
Do you remember back in 2020, when Biden talked about appointing Beto O'Rourke to be his "Gun Czar"?
That didn't happen, and it wasn't only because Beto went on a public rant, calling gun owners "m*therf*uckers" on live TV.
Motive? sounds like bullying again (Score:4, Interesting)
https://apnews.com/article/geo... [apnews.com]
Well at least they have policies for it, question is whether it gets implemented https://www.stopbullying.gov/r... [stopbullying.gov]
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Haven't had any school shootings here that I can ever recall, but we have lockdown drills to terrify our children and anti-bullying policies.
In my experience, the result of these policies is that the admins deny bullying is happening because if they admit to it they'd have to do something about it. But the kids wear pink shirts and march up and down the street every once in a while, so I guess that's supposed to mean my kid's friend wasn't really bullied.
Overall it seems like school's a lot better on the b
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It's easy for people not to acknowledge this is typically what drives the shootings. People don't want to "sympathize with a killer".
What they don't realize is, he didn't have to be a killer. Maybe if school was a tolerable place, with teachers who cared, it would have been a refuge for him to get away from his family problems. Instead school was a prison for him. Then we gave the prisoner an AR.
Much the same thing happens in the open-air prison called Palestine, and people just can't figure out why those k
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Humans are very adaptable. Sure, occasionally you have someone who is just 'wired wrong' from birth, but mostly what you have are average blank slates waiting to be conditioned by their environment.
And honestly, when you read about how bullied some of these kids were, I think that kind of shit would break a lot of adults and make them consider vengeful murder sprees. In fact, it may not happen as often as with kids, but it happens.
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There's not a school in the world where there isn't someone being massively bullied. There are however plenty of schools in the world where the victim can't just go home and borrow a gun from daddy's collection.
God I miss the days of a decent fist fight.
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God I miss the days of a decent fist fight.
All other things being equal, sure. But in today's schools, it's more likely to be three to four kids against one. Think of Biff's gang against George McFly in Back to the Future.
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Same motive as for one of the very first mass shootings, Columbine.
https://apnews.com/article/geo... [apnews.com]
Well at least they have policies for it, question is whether it gets implemented
https://www.stopbullying.gov/r... [stopbullying.gov]
I definitely agree that bullying is a problem (and likely a contributor), though it's also something that's really hard to fix.
Among other things, bullies really target kids who are "weird" in one way or another. And I suspect, in general, kids who become school shooters are pretty weird.
So definitely try to reduce bullying, but I think people have been trying to do that forever and it keep happening because it's part of human nature.
I think the better fix is to hire more councillors to actually help the ki
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School choice fixes this.
NEA constantly blocks the only known fix for school bullying.
You're absolutely right it's extremely common in these cases but suicide is orders of magnitude higher as the resulting of schooling bullying.
NEA is effectively accessory to negligent homicide for their own profit.
Locked classroom doors? (Score:2)
That sounds like a fire hazard. One that may well kill a few more people in the longer run than shooters.
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So the shooter just needs to trick a kid into opening that emergency exit and is golden? Cool design...
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I think most schools today funnel all the kids through a single entry that can be monitored. Other entry doors likely have crash bars that unlock the door in an emergency, but also trigger an alarm. Nobody is going to be casually tricked into opening that kind of exterior door.
The kid that got up could have opened the classroom door. Fortunately he looked first and saw the gun.
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That sounds like a fire hazard.
The locks prevent entry to the classroom, not exit.
Locks preventing exit violate the fire code and have been illegal since 1911.
Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire [wikipedia.org]
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Locked classrooms?? (Score:2)
America is truly a different world from the one I live in.
Fancy new tech saves lives (Score:2)
30 minutes (Score:3)
Local press has verified that the mother placed a call to the school 30 minutes before the incident and said it was an "extreme emergency" that they get to the boy.
And followed up with texts.
Nothing against the technology but there's a major human failure here.
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"marshal law"? You mean sending the marshals in to take down the shooter?
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No, he means sending the marshals in to every gun owners homes to confiscate their firearms, because as Bill Clinton said, "When personal freedom is being abused, you have to move to limit it."
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And for the morons crying about guns, you must want marshal law and no freedoms because that is what you will get.
Down vote away.
Marshal Law? I know that guy. He used to sell me weed back in the early 00s. Maybe you martial law?
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What an advert for home schooling!
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Home school your children
Children are fifty times more likely to be shot at home than at school.
Despite the alarmist headlines, school is one of the safest places for children.
Re:School Is A Propaganda Organization (Score:4, Insightful)
If thats true, that just makes the situation all that more horrible rather than improves it.
Your children are dying in school, from gun related crimes. The fact that they have it worse at home is not something that should be held up as a "things arent as terrible as people are making out" argument.
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Reportedly, he didn't get into more rooms because of this system.
But of course, the real issue is that he got into a school with a gun because of a larger, even more dysfunctional system. This is a tech website, but I still feel dirty talking about what is really some pretty primitive tech by modern standards instead of easy access to guns, how school bullying is still going on and what that says about our culture... High tech would be some kind of camera system that automatically recognized an incident and
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Feel free to karma bomb me.
At least have the decency to edit out the excess newlines.
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Timothy McVeigh didn't use a gun for his mass murder that killed 168 people
The logistical complexity of obtaining a truck, two tonnes of ammonium nitrate, and a detonator is beyond the capability of a troubled high schooler.
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anyone in the United States can buy a flamethrower
Yet, there are no school flamings.
If someone is motivated lack of firearms will not stop them
Then Europe should have just as many school murders as America, just using different weapons.
Can you explain why they don't?
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Wait, are you seriously trying to argue that the fact that a terrorist used a bomb 29 years ago somehow invalidates the blindingly obvious fact that guns are by far the easiest and simplest method for Americans to kill each other, and that the gun death rates reflect that?
Amazing. Truly amazing.