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Streaming Pirates Are Hollywood's New Villains (bloomberg.com) 160

Illegal subscription services that steal films or TV shows bring in $2 billion a year in ads and subscriber fees (non-paywalled link). From a report: Ever since taking on Netflix at its own game, old Hollywood has struggled to turn a profit in streaming, with the likes of Disney+, Peacock and Paramount+ losing billions of dollars each year, sparking concerns on Wall Street that the services will never be as profitable as cable once was. But the age of streaming has been a boon for some unintended winners: pirates that use software to rip a film or television show in seconds from legitimate online video platforms and host the titles on their own, illegitimate services, which rake in about $2 billion annually from ads and subscriptions.

With no video production costs, illicit streaming sites such as myflixer and projectfreetv have achieved profit margins approaching 90%, according to the Motion Picture Association, a trade group representing Hollywood studios that's working to crack down on the thousands of illegal platforms that have cropped up in recent years. Initially the rise of legitimate online businesses such as Netflix actually helped curb digital piracy, which had largely been based on file uploads. But now piracy involving illegal streaming services as well as file-sharing costs the US economy about $30 billion in lost revenue a year and some 250,000 jobs, estimates the US Chamber of Commerce's Global Innovation Policy Center. The global impact is about $71 billion annually.

In the US, which counts almost 130 subscription piracy sites, the MPA estimates that the top three combined have about 2 million users paying $5 to $10 per month for films, TV shows and live sports. Analysts say the user number could soar as the cost of subscriptions from legitimate companies such as Walt Disney approach $20 per month as they seek to bolster the finances of their streaming platforms. "Some of these pirate websites have gotten more daily visits than some of the top 10 legitimate sites," says Karyn Temple, the MPA's general counsel. "That really shows how prolific they are."

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  • by bobbutts ( 927504 ) <bobbutts@gmail.com> on Thursday January 25, 2024 @09:09AM (#64187008)
    You can and should pay for a VPN. You should not pay money directly to pirates. You're doing it wrong.
    • My VPN provider doesn't give me any content. It doesn't magically make things on Netflix appear. The question isn't VPN vs paying pirates, the question is which source do I use for both of them.

      • by Rhipf ( 525263 )

        I think you may have missed the point. bobbutts was saying that a VPN provider will give you free streaming just that you should get a good VPN and then stream from a free source (not that I would recommend doing the last part).

    • Yeah for the services mentioned they just seem like nice front end wrappers to a torrent catalogue. The real scenario where it makes sense for people to pay pirate streaming platforms is for live sports. You can't get that on Piratebay, free web streams are a minefield of malicious popups and are completely unreliable for any event with significant demand but paying $10 a month to get a private stream for live sports is a very tempting proposition.
  • by Eunomion ( 8640039 ) on Thursday January 25, 2024 @09:19AM (#64187040)
    Now that all they do is hold content hostage behind arbitrary tiers, constantly jack up prices, impose ads even on paying customers, and torture people with random expiration dates, resentments are piling up.
    • by phlinn ( 819946 ) on Thursday January 25, 2024 @09:48AM (#64187134)
      Don't forget annoying UI issues, like randomly picking another movie to watch, not even letting you turn off autoplay on at least one service (Peacock I think?), laggy screens, flickering on some devices (Max on Roku TV), autoplaying preview videos (part of the lag really), etc.
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by wrsi ( 10382619 )

      Perhaps INTERPOL can EXPRESS CONCERN about the "torture" you describe?

      (In all seriousness, the overheated rhetorical language around this somewhat-fraying area of intellectual property law in the age of digital content is striking. "Piracy" is not the term we ought to use for someone making a local copy of a streamed Kurt Russell movie from 1984.

      Maybe one step toward arriving at a basically fair economic model around this might be for people to tone things down about three notches. Ads are annoying, but the

      • by skam240 ( 789197 ) on Thursday January 25, 2024 @11:04AM (#64187340)

        "We should all tone things down but I'm going to I'm going to massively exaggerate the claims you are making"

        Give me a break, no one is equating watching commercials with being water boarded. Putting far more extreme statements then are being said in others mouths is not toning things down.

      • "Piracy" is not the term we ought to use for someone making a local copy of a streamed Kurt Russell movie from 1984.Arrr, but TFA is specifically talking about the illicit business of reselling pilfered content at scale, not your personal backups or that copy of Idiocracy you downloaded matey, not that you're entitled to that trade, lest you be labeled a pirate yourself ARRR!!

      • Pearl clutching about the tone of rhetoric seems designed to distract from the actual issue, and to create a false equivalency. The social harm, if any, of people who interpret copyright loosely to entertain themselves is trivial compared to that of monopolistic media conglomerates using the power of the state to extort tolls from people just to access their own culture and memories.
      • Maybe one step toward arriving at a basically fair economic model around this might be for people to tone things down about three notches. Ads are annoying, but the frequent Hims commercials I see on Hulu aren't waterboarding me.

        We'll tone it down about three notches when they tone down advertising about ten times that amount of notches. The majority of people react badly to advertising because it's simply out of control. Nearly every content source has become infested with an ever increasing number of ads. The Internet is basically unusable without an array of ad blockers, DNS blocking, and content filtering. There seems to be no end in the race to the bottom in terms of ad quality. I genuinely wonder how anyone who works in the a

    • ... hold content hostage behind arbitrary tiers, constantly jack up prices, impose ads even on paying customers, and torture people ...
      Dude, it's just tv, go outside more.

    • by mad7777 ( 946676 ) on Thursday January 25, 2024 @11:39AM (#64187462)

      And bizarre lawyer-controlled geofencing. Don't forget geofencing, which gives us who do not live in a certain very special country every incentive to avoid this whole disaster and use the simple (free) option instead.

  • Imagine that (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 25, 2024 @09:19AM (#64187042)

    Gee, what a Scooby-Doo mystery! People are willing to pay five or ten bucks a month to see whatever entertainment tickles their fancy, versus paying a tenner to Paramount+, then a tenner to Peacock, another tenner to Hulu, another tenner to CBS All Access, etc...

  • by SysEngineer ( 4726931 ) on Thursday January 25, 2024 @09:19AM (#64187044)
    When streaming services are not worth the price, People will substitute "Cheaper" alternatives.
    Just another example of corporations trying to maximize profits at the expense of people.
    • by GuB-42 ( 2483988 ) on Thursday January 25, 2024 @10:13AM (#64187204)

      Just another example of corporations trying to maximize profits

      Ever since taking on Netflix at its own game, old Hollywood has struggled to turn a profit in streaming, with the likes of Disney+, Peacock and Paramount+ losing billions of dollars each year

      And as it turns out, they are doing a terrible job at it.

      Those who understand that people don't mind paying for convenience and make a good offer along these lines not only make great profits, but people love them. Steam may be the best example, and so was Netflix before studios started to see them as competitors and not as partners.

    • There are sites in Russia that offer pretty much anything you want to watch, well out of reach of the MPAA or any American laws.

      I know people in that part of the world, and absolutely everyone uses those sites, freely and openly.

      So it's not about cost. The only price most people will accept, given the chance, is $0, ad free.

    • In many countries, unlimited dirt cheap bandwidth for downloads is NOT a given, and some places only have mobile phone bandwidth. 30GB for $30 is common enough. Obviously NO subscription plan is value in these circumstances, let alone multiple. Studios say the want to stop this, but do not offer light packages for the occasional binge - market segment failure. Some people have never even taken up *free* subscription services because of the cancellation hassle. Then the age profile, those over say 55 may n
  • by fjo3 ( 1399739 ) on Thursday January 25, 2024 @09:20AM (#64187048)
    You wouldnâ(TM)t steal a car. You wouldnâ(TM)t steal a baby. You wouldnâ(TM)t shoot a policeman, and then steal his helmet. You wouldnâ(TM)t go the toilet in his helmet, and then send it to the policemanâ(TM)s grieving widow - and then steal it again! Downloading films is stealing: if you do it, you will face the consequences!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 25, 2024 @09:20AM (#64187054)

    The current streaming environment has too much friction, walled litter boxes, and the like. Folks want to get in, get their stuff, and get out. The more barriers you put up to doing that the more customers are going to move to lower barrier options.

    It wasn't the RIAA that killed Napster. Yea, their lawyers, fines, etc. made a dent, but that's about it. It was Apple selling music for $0.99 / song. Friction was greatly reduced and the vast majority of folks decided that iTunes was the easier path. Buck a song was about the same price as a CD at the time.

    Now everyone wants annuities (Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora, etc. ) not sales. In some circles, not a bad idea - allows unknown artists a shot a being heard. But, throws out the concept of right of first sale - as there is no sale. Only a lease.

    Netflix, Disney+, Hulu, Prime Video, YouTubeTV, Paramount, Peacock... lots of friction between them and have to subscribe to more than one to have any selection.

    As loathed as the cable companies are.. they (and the other telcom companies) totally missed the boat on this. They should have immediately setup streaming platforms that mirrored their cable offerings, but to anyone - not just within their wired areas. Now have a wider offering of customers, more competition, and the concept of 'cable cutting' doesn't exist. What does it matter that they are switching from cable tv to paying us for a streaming option alongside their internet?

    • by jjhall ( 555562 ) <slashdot@ma[ ]geeks.com ['il4' in gap]> on Thursday January 25, 2024 @10:02AM (#64187170) Homepage

      I would argue that it wasn't even iTunes that landed the KO. $1/song with easy access was a series of body shots. The knockout took place when streaming services like Pandora and Spotify started offering subscriptions. Piracy was still rampant when iTunes came out, it was the inexpensive unlimited access to nearly the entire (mainstream) music catalog that overcame most piracy.

    • by Koreantoast ( 527520 ) on Thursday January 25, 2024 @11:09AM (#64187362)
      I think the various streaming services recognize the situation, but they are probably all hanging in there in hopes of outlasting the others. My feeling is that once you get down to maybe two or three large services, the studios may become more flexible in licensing their libraries to multiple services and ideally settling into a situation like music streaming today. However, while there's still hope that a studio's streaming service could remain supreme, they're not going to let go of their guns even as piracy increases and money bleeds.
      • My feeling is that once you get down to maybe two or three large services, the studios may become more flexible in licensing

        ROFLMAO

        Have you ever seen a junkie pass up another hit? Surprisingly, I have; however, that is NOT the safe way to bet.

    • Napster itself was dead after the RIAA. It shut down in 2002, while the iTunes store didn't start until 2003. However, there was period in the 00s, where a bunch of other copycat distributed filesharing programs took its place (Kazaa et. al). The problem was that Napster was generally pretty safe, but the other services were rather infested with malware of various types. A lot of it was that Apple offered a return to the Napster experience (for a fee). Of course, internet speeds also helped as a lot of folk

    • by YuppieScum ( 1096 ) on Thursday January 25, 2024 @02:25PM (#64187942) Journal

      ...they [] totally missed the boat on this. They should have immediately setup streaming platforms that mirrored their cable offerings, but to anyone - not just within their wired areas.

      The boat was not theirs to sail.

      They couldn't do this without major contractual changes, as the licences for the content they were showing precluded it, and the media company's thrive on creating artificial scarcity for their products.

      Added to this, it would have required the cable companies to invest extensively in their infrastructure - not something they've ever really shown an interest in.

  • FUD (Score:5, Insightful)

    by sinij ( 911942 ) on Thursday January 25, 2024 @09:20AM (#64187056)
    I don't need to RTFA to know this is FUD. RIAA and its likes are zero percent credible and are just trying to re-impose horse whip industry on the unwilling consumers.
  • by Baron_Yam ( 643147 ) on Thursday January 25, 2024 @09:22AM (#64187062)

    When the services provided decent content with a decent interface at a decent price, piracy was minimal.

    When everything is being finely tuned to extract more money at the expense of the client's perceived quality and value of service, piracy blooms.

    There's no lack of money in Hollywood, they're not starving. They're simply greedy fucks, and nobody cares about respecting their rights as they obviously don't respect ours. They don't even respect the people who make the product they sell.

    • by Ormy ( 1430821 )
      Exactly. These pirate streaming services are showing Hollywood et al. exactly what price consumers are willing to pay for content. Hollywood could likely undercut the pirates and still turn a profit, but maybe they think then can make more profit by keeping prices high and shutting down the pirates via legislative enforcement? The only problem is that history has shown several times that it won't work, the pirates are more agile and can always win. The only long term solution is to make your offering mor
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Hollywood needs multiple revenue streams to support their drug-fueled wild sex parties, divorce lawyers, alimony payments, and "woke" propaganda tripe.
      • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

        drug-fueled wild sex parties, divorce lawyers, alimony payments,

        These activities are the purview of the mid-century conservative, nothing "woke" about it.

    • This is really it.
      I've had Netflix for years. I don't even know if I watch it enough to justify it, but it's 'low-enough' that I just keep paying it.

      Ditto for spotify.

      What I simply don't want to do is pay for more than 1 service. I have kids and while Disney might be nice, I just don't want to pay for more services and have another account... It's just too much.

      Years back, I wished more companies (Disney) would put their content on Netflix. Of course they eventually chose the opposite route and trying to bu

  • by Ubi_NL ( 313657 ) <joris.benschopNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Thursday January 25, 2024 @09:26AM (#64187076) Journal

    I remember from some decades ago, that the cost of piracy was estimated by finding a student that downloaded Photoshop and Maya, estimated that this was $3000 of retail (and thus loss for them), assuming that the student would have purchased the software at full price if the pirate option did not exist.

    I see the same here. I guess some people just download everything they can find or binge 3 movies a day, something they would never have done if they would have to purchase the premium ultra Bluray package for each of them ...

    • well then max fine now days is like 3-5X the cost of Netflix

    • This article has real numbers with real money. People are giving the pirates $2B in money and ad impressions. The "estimated loss" of $30B is BS, but the $2B is real

      • by Dan667 ( 564390 )
        I still agree with OP that even if they managed to get rid of the pirate streaming services they would not get 100% conversion. These folks are getting a superior product and then would be paying triple or more for a worse service. I would be surprised if they got a conversion of 10%. Honestly, for most of these services I would be surprised if they converted 0.1%.
        • by Bert64 ( 520050 )

          And because the streaming services are so fragmented, some people simply cannot subscribe to them even if they want to and are willing to pay.

      • by DarkOx ( 621550 ) on Thursday January 25, 2024 @10:18AM (#64187220) Journal

        The problem is that still does not really tells us much of anything at all.

        My first thought was - so the actual loss is somewhere between 2B and 30B; except that isn't really true. In fact it assumes the pirate sites have not already optimized for supply/demand in terms of whatever they are charging or how many ads they are serving up. For all we know one penny more over that 2B and the demand vanishes entirely.

        I still think, based on the consumer behaviors I can see, observations on how the cable-tv industry evolved, and admittedly limited financial statements reviewed as a causal trader who now and then considers shorting the Mouse etc, if Hollywood can't make money in the current streaming ecosystem, there problem isn't revenues it is costs.

        I really think consumers are willing to pay a certain amount in for television/movie media subscripts and they are going to watch a certain amount of hours in a given month. Barring really really radical changes in quality or format; that wont change a whole lot.

        People like certain franchise and that drives piracy. Star Trek - about the only things worth paying for in Paramount+ in terms of exclusives anyway as far as I am concerned, not going to pay 12.99 a month for that. Just aint happening. Right now I can pick it up once a year or so make basically all my TV Trek for a few weeks and catch up but break that by getting more aggressive with the 'trickle-out model' and take the piracy away - I think people just won't watch.

        Think back some years ago was there anyone - I mean anyone at all you know in a STEM or related field that wasn't watching ST:TNG while it was new? Is that still true of things like Strange New Worlds? The media landscape is already super fractured, the friction is great enough that people already abandon even major 'must watch franchises'.

        I am not saying they need to go back to 15 hours of primetime content per week X 3 major networks by any stretch, but they need to get back to way fewer properties at any given time to put more eyeballs on each, and license it a handful of distributors so customers are not trying to juggle so many subs. Until they do that the pirates will continue to win.

      • by Junta ( 36770 )

        That's the frustrating thing, they have a real number, but can't *help* but to toss in the $30 billion number.

        The issue is the truth lies somewhere in between, *some* of the infringing users might have otherwise paid, but the conversion rate is unknowable, so attempts to be specific rightfully earn derision.

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      • Nonsense, they type of advertisers that come up on pirate sites would not be appropriate to come up on Disney+ or most other streaming services. If streaming sites offered 1 add per stream the first time you watched it I am sure most people wouldn't mind. The problem is not ads, they are fine the problem is the level of ads, and as soon as you accept the current level of ads they increase it because they want to make more money.

  • by gavron ( 1300111 ) on Thursday January 25, 2024 @09:30AM (#64187088)

    The "billions of dollars" we keep hearing about is from the assumption that anyone who copies a file would otherwise have paid the fees to the streaming service. Soon this will kill the streaming services.

    Before that it was "would have paid to get it at Blockbuster." They tried to kill Blockbuster, because that competed with "would have paid to see it at the theater."

    The MPAA and the RIAA and the rest of the MAFIAA haven't learned anything in the last 40 years. People don't go to movie theaters as much. Blockbuster is out of business. Streaming sites charge through the nose and who nose WHICH streaming service to get because you need 4-7 of them to truly have coverage.

    Or get a VPN and show them supply-demand-pricing in action.

  • by VMaN ( 164134 ) on Thursday January 25, 2024 @09:50AM (#64187140) Homepage

    Seems after all the effort being put into signalling how you don't actually OWN any media you "buy", we shouldn't accept "steal" as the appropriate word.

    Copyright infringement, please. Or unlicensed distribution.

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    • Keep in mind that the US Federal government is not allowed to grant copyright -- they are allowed "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts" but not by any means they choose, the method by which they are allowed to do that, is copyright/patents.

      The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

      The Congress shall have Power... To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries

      Now I know some people want to strike that section off the Constitution as meaningless gibberish, but any child can tell you that it says "you may do this thing by this method" and not "ha ha, limited times means years after the author has died, also let's

  • by blahbooboo ( 839709 ) on Thursday January 25, 2024 @10:14AM (#64187208)
    Steve Jobs (supposedly) fought to keep the price per song in the iTunes store low in his belief that the initial $0.99/song was cheap enough that it would be easier than pirating and many would choose to pay rather than steal. He was right (even at the later $1.29/song price).

    The audio streaming services have some competition which is why their prices are still relatively low for the value they provide.

    Everyone on this site knows that video streaming is now too fragmented and expensive that it's easier to use a pirate web site rather than subscribe and unsubscribe from the legitimate streaming sites every couple of months.
  • Curios (Score:5, Funny)

    by christoban ( 3028573 ) on Thursday January 25, 2024 @10:42AM (#64187270)

    "The U.S., which has almost 130 subscription piracy sites..."

    Just out of curiosity, is there a list of these sites?

    • You're not really on slashdot asking someone to google that for you....
    • Search a show on Google adding "streaming" to the query, go to the end of the page where it says "X results have been deleted due to DMCA requests" and click on the link to read the DMCA request.
      You just got the list of streaming sites for that show :-)
  • No one pays to watch pirated content. That is an oxymoron.

  • by packrat0x ( 798359 ) on Thursday January 25, 2024 @10:51AM (#64187302)

    Worse is when the infringers won't stream current movies because of how crappy those movies are.

  • So their new strategy against piracy is to have Hollywood, Netflix, Hulu, HBO, etc all universally start making woke trash with talentless diversity hire writers. That's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it works out for them. It definitely is reducing piracy. I haven't downloaded a damn thing since the D&D movie. It's all unwatchable garbage.

    But seriously, piracy is punching bag they set up to deflect away from telling their stockholders that their content is lefty propaganda trash that nobody wa
    • Oh please, movies and music have been shitty for a long time and for about as long they were blaming the evil, evil pirates for their plummeting sales, not the quality of the product.

      And we're not just talking about the content, you can also de-value your product by making it unusable for the customer by disallowing format shifting or playing it on their preferred display. Back in the DVD days where they tried to disable playing movies on computers (because then you could rip them, ya know), I stopped buyin

  • by C3ntaur ( 642283 ) <panystrom@gmai l . c om> on Thursday January 25, 2024 @11:09AM (#64187364) Journal

    "If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing"

    https://pluralistic.net/2023/1... [pluralistic.net]

  • by Yekrats ( 116068 ) on Thursday January 25, 2024 @11:16AM (#64187392) Homepage

    I can't believe that Slashdot made us look up these sites on our own, and not post their links for us.

    They made me look it up, through DuckDuckGo, behind a VPN, wearing rubber gloves.

    This is for scientific research only and no consumption of any of the links here: https://www.firesticktricks.co... [firesticktricks.com]

    For the benefit of science!

  • by wakeboarder ( 2695839 ) on Thursday January 25, 2024 @11:36AM (#64187456)
    are the Hollywood execs/producers. Have you ever been to hollywood? It's not a cheery place, the whole place reeks of a desire for money from the people purveying their wares outside of the mall all the way up to the music and movie studios nearby. These people want you for one thing, your money. Most of them don't want to entertain you, they want a paycheck. They'll sacrifice anything to get it, creativity, quality whatever. Just as long as you go to the box office or sit at home and watch what they want you to watch.

    Because of this unending desire for money, streaming has been the new way to strong arm people into getting it. And they are asking too much of the average consumer, but they don't care.
    • These people want you for one thing, your money. .

      Isn't that literally what our entire economic and social heirarchy is based on?

    • These people want you for one thing, your money. Most of them don't want to entertain you, they want a paycheck.

      Welcome to capitalism. Mind you, bad as it is here, it is far worse in the US health care industry, where providers have lots of means to make money off their customers that do not involve providing good health care.

  • by 0xG ( 712423 ) on Thursday January 25, 2024 @11:49AM (#64187476)

    Do you really want to give your contact information and
    credit card number to a bunch of pirates?

    I know some people will point out that they would not
    trust Netflix et al with that information either, but to a
    self-proclaimed pirate?

    • ... self-proclaimed pirate?

      What makes a pirate worse than Netflix? This is where the "invisible hand" appears: If the pirate makes more money selling movies than selling your credit card. he will sell you another movie. With a 90% profit margin per movie, selling your credit card is never a good move. Also, selling your credit card. means the buyer can use it to steal from pirate (since the seller suffers the cost of stolen credit cards).

      The Invisible Hand also explains why Netflix is selling your viewing history. Plus, Netflix

      • In real life, probably it's Visa and Mastercard that forbid the pirate from accepting credit card payments. They are a de-facto duopoly, and they're not afraid to weaponize it by refusing services the US of A don't approve, like they did with Pornhub and Wikileaks.
  • In addition to showing how prolific they are, it also shows clearly how overpriced streaming is. I stopped pirating shows when streaming was reasonably priced, but now I'm back to downloading about a quarter of what I watch, because I can only pay for so many services at once.

  • by Chelloveck ( 14643 ) on Thursday January 25, 2024 @01:01PM (#64187712)
    Can we pause for a minute just to appreciate the artistry of giving an explicitly non-paywalled alternate link to an article about "villains" not paying for content? Brings a tear to me eye, it does...
  • by Lendrick ( 314723 ) on Thursday January 25, 2024 @01:59PM (#64187872) Homepage Journal

    > "illicit streaming sites such as myflixer and projectfreetv..."

    Got it, thanks!

  • by peterww ( 6558522 ) on Thursday January 25, 2024 @03:26PM (#64188066)

    The budgets for TV shows and movies today are absurd. These companies could easily rake in billions more if they stopped wasting their money.

    Check out this list of costs for TV shows: https://www.buzzfeed.com/norad... [buzzfeed.com]

      - $10 Million per episode of Big Bang Theory
      - $30 Million per episode of Stranger Things
      - $60 Million per episode of LOTR: Rings of Power
      - $25 Million per episode of Falcon and the Winter Soldier

    etc, etc. I mean, this is insane. If the actors cost too much, hire cheaper actors. If the sets are too expensive, film in remote locations, or use green screen, or film one or two exteriors and then all interiors. We literally won't care about extra fancy stuff. We only care about the story, the acting, and maybe the action.

    If you brought down the prices of these shows, then you could charge us less, and then maybe do things like sell your content on a single platform, which is what all of us want.

  • by strike6 ( 823490 ) on Thursday January 25, 2024 @03:34PM (#64188084)
    is run by a bunch of greedy maggots. A long long time ago, in response to the invention of DVR's when they ran ReplayTV out of business, a Hollywood executive famously said that there was an unwritten contract that viewers would watch commercials. Well, the DVR wasn't killed despite all their efforts and in the ensuing 25 years they've added a bunch more commercials per hour as well as actually putting commercials in to the content we're watching. It irks me to no end having to watch a commercial in one window of the screen while watching a basketball player shoot a free throw in the other. The streaming services were NOT a result of people wanting a cheaper alternative to cable services. Otherwise they wouldn't all, other then the OG Netflix, be losing massive amounts of money. They purposely priced their offerings below cost, which is illegal in some industries, to attract customers. And now their prices are rising. Eventually they will cost as much as that cable subscription that cost too much for people. In addition, they've started minimizing new content on those linear TV channels that cable offers to try to force people to their streaming services. I'm sick of their lies. It's not stealing, and they're not losing out on all the money people are paying for pirate sites and/or downloading the content they want to watch. I'm sick of their lies every time they get in to a carriage dispute with a cable/satellite company, and the stupid banners they put across the bottom of their channels while I'm trying to watch a show. For me, call me old school or a fuddy duddy but I don't want to have a bunch of different interfaces and services. I LIKE having a single guide with times that I can just browse through to find what I want to watch or record. I don't want to have to switch services and remember when the shows I want to watch are on and on what service, or deal with multiple DVR's. I have no sympathy. F them.
  • I opted out for the most part a long time ago. Most of my time now is working in my garage, playing with my cnc, 3d printer, and taking chemistry classes.

  • You innovated by replacing cable with cable (on the Internet)

  • ...and then we won't pirate. Go bundle your asses!

  • Doesn't this:

    pirates that use software to rip a film or television show in seconds from legitimate online video platforms and host the titles on their own, illegitimate services

    mean that the streaming services are so sloppy at network management that they allow connections to download far faster than their subscription can present the data.

    OK, granted that you need to fill up a buffer, to cover the inevitable network dropouts. But what actual watching "customer" needs to download minute-135 of a movie when

    • So I can no longer skip the boring parts of a movie I don't want to see? I can't rewind and watch a part again that I got distracted by a phone call?

      You really want to take away one of the leading advantages of streaming? Not that the streaming services wouldn't do it, they already showed they don't mind making the experience worse and worse for a higher and higher price...

  • by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Friday January 26, 2024 @03:06AM (#64188926)

    You had the goose that laid the golden eggs. Back in the good ol' days when Netflix streaming was young, the system worked. People paid a reasonable price for a reasonable selection of streams. And people were happy and didn't even consider returning to the Bay and other sites like it because, hey, what for? If the likes of Netflix and Steam showed us something, then that people are very willing to pay (reasonably) for comfort and ease of use.

    Note that people paid for comfort. They still didn't give a fuck about whether or not that was legal. And they never will. If you make laws so confusing that it's virtually impossible for a normal person to know whether or not they break it, they simply stop paying any attention to it and accept breaking the law like some sort of natural disaster they cannot avoid anyway.

    And you insisted in slaughtering the goose and taking that comfort away. Now people would have to go and figure out between half a dozen of streaming services which one they'd have to subscribe to and for how long to binge their favorite shows, and as an additional problem, you pull shows from the services at random intervals. That may even have a reason in the form of licensing contracts and how long they last, but guess what: People don't give a fuck about that. This is YOUR problem. They don't care about it.

    They care about getting what they want. And if you don't deliver what they want, they will go to someone who does.

    And they will not give a fuck whether you consider that legal or not. Not even half of one.

  • Disney+, Peacock and Paramount+ have limited content that if I already haven't seen it, it's content I don't want to watch or pay for. I have never paid for anything streamed other than Netflix.

Keep up the good work! But please don't ask me to help.

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