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Brazilian City Enacts an Ordinance That Was Secretly Written By ChatGPT 41

An anonymous reader quotes a report from the Associated Press: City lawmakers in Brazil have enacted what appears to be the nation's first legislation written entirely by artificial intelligence -- even if they didn't know it at the time. The experimental ordinance was passed in October in the southern city of Porto Alegre and city councilman Ramiro Rosario revealed this week that it was written by a chatbot, sparking objections and raising questions about the role of artificial intelligence in public policy. Rosario told The Associated Press that he asked OpenAI's chatbot ChatGPT to craft a proposal to prevent the city from charging taxpayers to replace water consumption meters if they are stolen. He then presented it to his 35 peers on the council without making a single change or even letting them know about its unprecedented origin.

"If I had revealed it before, the proposal certainly wouldn't even have been taken to a vote," Rosario told the AP by phone on Thursday. The 36-member council approved it unanimously and the ordinance went into effect on Nov. 23. "It would be unfair to the population to run the risk of the project not being approved simply because it was written by artificial intelligence," he added. [...] Keeping the proposal's origin secret was intentional. Rosario told the AP his objective was not just to resolve a local issue, but also to spark a debate. He said he entered a 49-word prompt into ChatGPT and it returned the full draft proposal within seconds, including justifications.

"I am convinced that ... humanity will experience a new technological revolution," he said. "All the tools we have developed as a civilization can be used for evil and good. That's why we have to show how it can be used for good." And the council president [Hamilton Sossmeier], who initially decried the method, already appears to have been swayed. "I changed my mind," Sossmeier said. "I started to read more in depth and saw that, unfortunately or fortunately, this is going to be a trend."
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Brazilian City Enacts an Ordinance That Was Secretly Written By ChatGPT

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  • by OrangeTide ( 124937 ) on Friday December 01, 2023 @04:41PM (#64047247) Homepage Journal

    Then why would anyone bother reading it? I swear these glorified Markov-chain text generators are not a good basis for your art, culture, and government. Future generations are going to pick through our ashes and look on this like we look at the Romans drinking leaded wine.

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      • Lead poisoning is a longstanding academic debate as to the cause of the decline of the Roman empire. I suspect it's more of an urban legend than strictly a cause of the decline, but the concept should be pretty familiar to laypeople born in the 20th and 21st century.

        • OTOH we KNOW that IQs went up and crime rates went down after we stopped putting lead in gasoline.

      • Old pipes are OK. They form an oxide layer that saves you.

        Cooking in lead pots, drinking from lead cups, eating off lead plates? Not so much.

    • by Ksevio ( 865461 )

      The LLMs like chatGPT are quite different from previous generation Markov models. They're quite capable of creating stuff like laws where it's basically just boilerplate text or expanding on ideas.

    • Don't worry, we can just ask ChatGPT to summarize it and tell us what it says.

  • by Aero77 ( 1242364 ) on Friday December 01, 2023 @04:42PM (#64047249)
    Generating an Ordinance modeled after other typical Ordinances of this type. This has to be one of the most obvious uses of AI, copying other human generated work for the common good. AI has many pitfalls and downsides, but I don't think this is something that we need to complain about.
    • by HiThere ( 15173 )

      Not necessarily object to. This may be a perfectly good measure. But it sounds as if he skimped on quality control, and that's a very necessary step. Sometimes you can skip it, but you never know when.

  • by XaXXon ( 202882 ) <xaxxon@ g m a i l.com> on Friday December 01, 2023 @04:55PM (#64047289) Homepage

    and presumably the people voting read it, right?

    The source is irrelevant, the contents are what matter.

  • Why can't the law/ordinance just say "The city can't charging taxpayers to replace water consumption meters if they are stolen." In Portuguese of course. Why does it have to be any more complicated than that, sans an identifier number or something?

    This is the problem with our legislative systems.

    • by Draeven ( 166561 )

      The problem with our legislative system is that everyone and their mother will do everything they can to work the system to favor only themselves.

      So now you have to rigorously define what "stolen" means.

      • The problem with our legislative system is that everyone and their mother will do everything they can to work the system to favor only themselves.

        So now you have to rigorously define what "stolen" means.

        I would counter that if the "short version" of the language isn't clear enough, it isn't a good law in the first place.

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    • by kqs ( 1038910 )

      Well, most of the code I write would be much much shorter if I just never added error checking, bounds checking, fallback code, graceful degradation, unit tests, corner-case handling, and a host of other things which separate a good reliable program from an error-ridden piece of garbage.

      Laws are the same way. We'd all love short trivial laws, but experience has shown that short trivial laws have loopholes and special cases that unscrupulous people use for ill effect. And it turns out that there are a lot

    • My guess is that the city councillor picked this topic specifically because this is such a simple case that it could be drafted by ChatGPT and submitted without a single modification. The only way to understand his comment "without modification" is that he's trying to make a point, make himself famous in the news for being the first in having it fully done by AI, so he picked a simple case.

      In my news there are guesses at which of our national politicians use generative AI to partly or fully write proposals

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      • Perhaps there's a point there, but I'm skeptical the LLM extended form of the brief idea would add meaningful guards rather than empty verbosity.

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          • by Junta ( 36770 )

            What I've found is that when the model can produce workable code, I would be better off pulling in a maintained library to do the same. If GPT can write it, then it's almost certainly already a library.

            If there isn't a lot of existing code to do *precisely* what you ask, then it will spit out.. something that may hit a couple pieces of the problem that would be part of a computer programming class, but then useless mistakes otherwise.

            If there is existing code to do precisely what you ask... well why isn't

    • Why can't the law/ordinance just say "The city can't charging taxpayers to replace water consumption meters if they are stolen." In Portuguese of course. Why does it have to be any more complicated than that, sans an identifier number or something?

      This is the problem with our legislative systems.

      I just draped a woman’s scarf over mine and haven’t paid a thing. Water utilities hate this one weird trick!

  • All of my /. comments are now written with 100% pure, organic, gluten-free, vegan, non-GMO human repetitive strain injury to ensure our valuable but replaceable human labor is represented with solidarity like not using the self-checkout line. Boycott, divest, and sanction tactics should be applied to AI scabs replacing human labor. Proletariats of the world such and such! Maybe the Unabomber had a valid point but the entirely wrong prescription like Hamas al-Qassam.
  • I mean when lawmakers are flat out admitting they aren't doing the job they are paid to do and instead just offloaded it to a computer, why should they get paid?

  • city councilman Ramiro Rosario revealed this week that it was written by a chatbot, sparking objections and raising questions about the role of artificial intelligence in public policy.

    Make the most of your opportunity, in the future, objections too will be raised by AI.

  • A human can always be trusted to write something that will be misunderstood or vague so as to ensure future abuse.
    AI might actually write something that's clear and legally air-tight.

  • The next generation is going to look back and know this was a good idea, and a perfectly good use for AI
  • Actually being able to have ALL law codified in a way that computers can understand and generate it would be pretty useful. Or, have a computer smart enough to figure it out, and give access to ALL the laws and regulations to it. However this is a law created by a bullshit generator. He wasn't using a logical reasoner. Just yesterday I was beating my head against a configuration thing and asked Claude.ai which gave me an incredibly useful response which unfortunately was based on the existence of a NON-EXIS

  • seems to me you'd get a better dramatic payoff if you told no one but saved evidence to be revealed on your death. Then it might be notable and interesting. A gamble with more stakes, IMO. But does anyone think like that anymore? Humanity bores me I think.

  • The objections would come from those who want to retain power and control, as opposed to those politicians that are in service to their constituents, and want to do the best for them, as opposed to the objections who want to do the best for themselves.

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