Plex Users Fear New Feature Will Leak Porn Habits To Their Friends and Family (404media.co) 120
Many Plex users were alarmed when they got a "week in review" email last week that showed them what they and their friends had watched on the popular media server software. From a report: Some users are saying that their friends' softcore porn habits are being revealed to them with the feature, while others are horrified by the potentially invasive nature feature more broadly. Plex is a hybrid streaming service/self-hosted media server. In addition to offering content that Plex itself has licensed, the service allows users to essentially roll their own streaming service by making locally downloaded files available to stream over the internet to devices the server admin owns. You can also "friend" people on Plex and give them access to your own server.
A new feature, called "Discover Together," expands social aspects of Plex and introduces an "Activity" tab: "See what your friends have watched, rated, added to their Watchlist, or shared with you," Plex notes. It also shares this activity in a "week in review" email that it sent to Plex users and people who have access to their servers.
A new feature, called "Discover Together," expands social aspects of Plex and introduces an "Activity" tab: "See what your friends have watched, rated, added to their Watchlist, or shared with you," Plex notes. It also shares this activity in a "week in review" email that it sent to Plex users and people who have access to their servers.
Porn habits? (Score:1)
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Plex is just a video server / transcoder that is bloating into a hub of sorts for all sorts of nonsense.
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Because they want money.
It's easy to switch to Jellyfin though.
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Hmm... I don't think I needed to change naming at all IIRC. I'm pretty sure this is what I used with Plex, and it definitely works with Jellyfin.
<Series name> - S<season #>E<episode #> - <optional episode title>.mp4
Re:Porn habits? (Score:5, Insightful)
Once plex forced me to log in I knew the shittification was beginning..
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That's precisely why I never used plex. I've zero interest in logging in with them. Been using Jellyfin locally for quite a while now. Never shared it with anyone (what do I look like, a streaming provider?) but it doesn't really seem like it would be that hard to setup a router rule and give out my IP address for people to connect to.
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Once plex forced me to log in I knew the shittification was beginning..
Yes and no. I love the idea that Plex is turning into a one-stop shop service for all my streaming needs. It's a right royal pain in the arse to look through multiple streaming systems to find what I want to watch.
It's impossible to do that without logging in.
Now once Plex added social aspects such as "friends" then I knew the enshittification was beginning.
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I mainly use Jellyfin but also use Plex a bit. I don't name my files in any particular way and it works. But I don't share write access between the two because that would cause a lot of problems. With Jellyfin, I will admit that it takes a little while to get the metadata setup correctly. Usually pasting the id from one of the supported databases (like imdb) help greatly with importing. But you can do a whole series and as long as the tags (like in MKV) have the episode numbers set up correctly it mostly ju
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I made the switch earlier this year (though I still have Plex running for my parents until the next time I visit, at which time I can switch them over to Jellyfin). IIRC, Jellyfin didn't care much about how I named my files.
Around the same time, I migrated from Medusa to Sonarr and added Radarr to the mix. I don't recall having to do much to bring up Sonarr, but my movies had to be sorted into directories and the re
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I've been using either a windows on a nuc like box attached to a TV or kodi on a pi for decades. And yea, linux server with storage, smb/nfs and http shares.
People kept asking me about using plex, I never even bothered to look at it, as what I had worked so simply why would I look to complicated it more.
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I never understood the point of Plex, at least not after the very early years when playback devices were extremely under-powered.
Nowadays a cheap Android box with Kodi can play back 4k HDR content without issue, so what is the point of having a special server with transcoding? Just store your content as files and let Kodi handle indexing them, if you even want an index. Personally I just browse the files and play them.
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Huh, I never really considered that. Thanks. Not something I'd be interested in, but it makes sense.
Re:Porn habits? (Score:5, Insightful)
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You can control some of what you share with friends, friends of friends, and public. It's fun because you can have friends' recently watched videos show up as suggestions. Which can be a good starting place if you have common interests or a conversation starter.
Unfortunately Plex has become increasingly more opaque about what it does and does not share and how its suggestion algorithms work. It doesn't offer fine enough control for users to share only some things and not other things. And sharing nothing is
Not EVERYTHING.... (Score:5, Insightful)
JFC...
Not EVERYTHING has to fucking be turned into a "social" aspect or event!!!
Am I the only one that just doesn't need to share fucking everything they do or are interested in?
I'll talk and share in person when I'm with my friends having some beers or doing something....but I don't need to have fucking emails, texts or social media sending them a fucking log of what I do or watch.
Am I the only one that just doesn't use it if it is a social thing online....or actually avoids things online if it is advertised as "social"?
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What you are seeing are some people that are overeager to "add value" to the cyber real estate that they were lucky enough to land on.
Their fortunes are ascendant at the moment, so they proceed to convince themselves that everyone just everyone will love their ideas. And they will make more money because of that.
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It is the same root cause as the destruction of usefulness of Dropbox.
Re:Not EVERYTHING.... (Score:5, Insightful)
JFC...
Not EVERYTHING has to fucking be turned into a "social" aspect or event!!!
Am I the only one that just doesn't need to share fucking everything they do or are interested in?
I'll talk and share in person when I'm with my friends having some beers or doing something....but I don't need to have fucking emails, texts or social media sending them a fucking log of what I do or watch.
Am I the only one that just doesn't use it if it is a social thing online....or actually avoids things online if it is advertised as "social"?
There are three types of people that exist when it comes to socialization. Those that absolutely NEED it. Those that tolerate it. And those that couldn't give two shits about it. Those of us who have always existed in the latter category see the socialization of media / network activity as patently absurd. Those of us in one of the other two categories are the prime targets for such "sharing" features because we've become SO enamored with our electronic life that we've allowed it to completely replace real socialization and interaction with other living, breathing beings. Therefore, those of us that need socialization on some level to maintain ourselves think "sharing" all our electronic activity is somehow making up for the complete lack of conversations, bro-fists, hugs, back-pats, and beer spilling.
It's easy to see why it started happening. What's harder to wrap my head around is why, at this point, with all the proof we've seen of the mental toll it takes, it continues to sprawl ever wider. It's like some folks just won't be happy until they literally have a camera on them streaming their every waking moment to everyone that wants to watch. And others of us are climbing further into our hidey-holes of drop-outness due to the apparent lack of give-a-fuck about privacy everyone around us seems to represent.
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Not EVERYTHING has to fucking be turned into a "social" aspect or event!!!
And not everything has to have cheese on it. But here we are. We've gone down the stupidest of timelines. People love this social shit like they like a disgusting blob of oil and milk solids on every conceivable kind of sandwich.
I'll talk and share in person when I'm with my friends having some beers or doing something...
For most people, the old we get the less time we spend with old friends or in making new friends. People are desperate for human interaction and are willing to take an artificial substitute like social media.
Am I the only one that just doesn't use it if it is a social thing online....or actually avoids things online if it is advertised as "social"?
I approach them cautiously. Generally if social media interactions are a ce
Re:Not EVERYTHING.... (Score:5, Informative)
Not EVERYTHING has to fucking be turned into a "social" aspect or event!!!
And not everything has to have cheese on it. But here we are. We've gone down the stupidest of timelines. People love this social shit like they like a disgusting blob of oil and milk solids on every conceivable kind of sandwich.
I'm going to say this as calmly as I can. Talk all the shit you want about social media, but you start shit-talking cheese and we are going to have a serious problem. Do I make myself clear?
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You put cheese on a hamburger all you can taste is the cheese, except now it's greasy. I have a cool life hack for you then. Go to Subway or Togo's, order the cheese sandwich, but ask for ALL the cheeses. That makes a damn fine meal with the cheese as the star of the show instead of an oil stain on a ruined burger.
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I'd rather not go to terrible chain delis and keep the cheese on my burger instead. I can taste the burger just fine with it on there.
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You put cheese on a hamburger all you can taste is the cheese, except now it's greasy. I have a cool life hack for you then. Go to Subway or Togo's, order the cheese sandwich, but ask for ALL the cheeses. That makes a damn fine meal with the cheese as the star of the show instead of an oil stain on a ruined burger.
Holy hells. You don't want cheese on a burger? That's fail enough. Then you recommend going to Subway? WTF? Never heard of Togo's, so can't comment on the quality, but if it's on-par with Subway, no thanks.
Burgers fail with American cheese-like byproduct, sure. McDonald's thrives on such failure. But a slice of provolone topped with a slice of smoked gouda? A slice of ultra-sharp cheddar with a slice of swiss? Yes please. If you are somehow covering the entire burger's flavor with cheese, something has gone
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Or I like the subtle taste of a medium rare burger that doesn't have to compete with strong flavors like cheese or ketchup. (yeah, don't put ketchup on burgers either, that's super nasty)
Re: Not EVERYTHING.... (Score:1)
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tamatoes and mayo are great, the juicy tomato and mayo mix together to make a nice sauce. But really that combo is better on a B.L.T.
Where I grew up chopped green olives is an iconic burger topping...
And sadly, no *real* bread. I'm not allowed. :-(
Re: Not EVERYTHING.... (Score:2)
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Ahh...ok, this explains is...you can NOT possibly be from America.
Not that I'd say olives on a burger aren't good, but it isn't something generally even offered as a topping in the US.
Me?
I like most any burger...so versatile.
I like them best grilled at home, over my grill with lump charcoal.
But I like a chili burger, with onions, cheddar cheese (or pepper jack) and maybe a bit of mustard.
My latest I enjoy at a bar here in New Orleans
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Than you eschew every flavored topping then? No tomatoes, lettuce, onions? How about bread?
One of my coworkers loudly proclaims that he lives a condiment free lifestyle. No condiments EVER. On anything. I call that a boring bland lifestyle, but to each their own I suppose.
Another coworker hates cake because he thinks frosting is disgusting. I work with freaks.
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Or I like the subtle taste of a medium rare burger that doesn't have to compete with strong flavors like cheese or ketchup. (yeah, don't put ketchup on burgers either, that's super nasty)
I'll agree with you on ketchup for the most part. Sometimes it's acceptable, but mostly no.
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The nice thing about social is that it allows you to ignore privacy considerations because social means public.
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Am I the only one that just doesn't use it if it is a social thing online....or actually avoids things online if it is advertised as "social"?
Given how you're only part of a large target market you will with this approach actively be avoiding perfectly normal software that fits your use case perfectly. Plex advertises "social" aspects. And yet... THEY ARE ENTIRELY OPTIONAL.
You can choose to not participate. No one is forcing you to have "friends" so actively avoiding something you could ignore in the first place is just silly. Especially when talking about something like Plex for which there's no real suitable feature comparable alternative (igno
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This took 5 seconds to find. You're welcome. Will I see you there? I'm going as a giraffapotomuswolf with a unicorn horn, of course.
https://www.furrymigration.org... [furrymigration.org]
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You watched it! You can't un-watch it!
Stay tuned for more TALES OF INTEREST!
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You, sir, win this round.
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Okay!
Emby or Jellyfin (Score:5, Insightful)
The writing was on the wall when they started doing analytics on your content years ago. Combined with the inability to stream locally if their servers are down, switch to something that respects your privacy.
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>Combined with the inability to stream locally if their servers are down
oh my god i hated plex for this shit so much. when we first built our house we had incredibly shoddy internet access. Prior to the move I had been using plex, but because comcast in town was pretty reliable, I didn't realize just how much this POS phoned home.
So trying to log into a LOCAL fucking server and being met with auth issues because "hey, i can't get out on the internet" was infuriating. It needs a "LOCAL ONLY, fuck off" mod
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...just local/lan only, please.
I have an NFS media server. No frills. Just a file server. It works great.
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right, and that's what i'm using for storage. But for a front-end, plex + roku + tv was a nice an easy way for the less tech savvy in the house to watch.
Re: Emby or Jellyfin (Score:2)
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I've had Plex locally on my QNAP for years.
Seems to me this allows Local and Remote content.
Haven't tried Emby but I did try to check it out after your mention.
They don't appear on the QNAP app store, not a good sign.
I tried creating an ID on their site but they never send the email confirmation, yes I check for the spam folder etc.
Perused the Emby github repo but searching for QNAP there returns nothing so I can't even review versions.
Only blind links such as what you provided work, cannot trust that.
Hard
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I can stream locally when plex servers are down. Maybe you're talking about their SSO setup, but use a local login and no problem.
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How do you locally log into plex?
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Last I tried it was as simple as logging into the ip address and port. My current plex server is at 192.168.1.20:32400. Admittedly I have not tried that in quite some time.
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that works for streaming to a PC, but any kind of app for tablet, Roku, smart TV, etc. goes through internet plex servers and won't work local-only, even if you've already logged in previously
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That only works if you're on a computer. For many people the power of Plex is integrated Plex apps in their devices. If my internet is down I'm not going to go find and lug a computer down to my TV to watch something. And the Plex app on the TV definitely does not start locally without an internet connection.
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How do you locally log into plex?
directly at the server's address with a local username and password...
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I'd love to use Jellyfin, but it's persnickety about folder structure, and I don't feel like renaming and moving stuff around, since plex doesn't care about folder and file names at all, it (almost always) just works with whatever I throw at it. I might switch someday, but for now plex still works, and *does* work when my internet connection goes down for streaming local content from my local server. I keep seeing people saying that it doesn't, but that's not the case for me. The plex client pauses for a
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switch to something that respects your privacy.
Please let me know what I should switch to. My needs are simple: I want a service that:
- Can get movie and music from my local NAS.
- Can combine the libraries of my Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, Disney Plus, and HBO Max accounts in one easy single app.
- Has a native app available in the Samsung app store for my TV.
A topic as nebulous as "privacy" takes a complete back seat compared to functionality that people care about. If you can't tell me an app that first those three simple points (which is fundamentall
Any more questions? (Score:2)
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Not all of it is.
Basic PC client/server programs will let you set up a local LAN server for free. They start charging when it comes to some popular clients, like ones for Android, iPhone and Roku cost $$. There is also a DVR service that gets guide data if you have an OTA tuner for local TV channels like I do, and that is not free either.
They do have a one-time "Plex Pass" (used to be $99.00 when I got mine) which gives you all access to all of the Plex services for a one-time flat fee. What I don't unde
Boxee? (Score:2)
Sounds like Plex is turning into Boxee?
Please used to be a great fork of XMBC (now Kodi), but the amount of cloud dependency just killed it for me. I don't care for social elements or sharing my videos outside of my home. I just want it to watch my local videos. I've considered installing Kodi on my AppleTV, but given the need for a developer setup, I've kinda put it off.
Maybe if could have considered a nominal monthly for Plex, but again the cloud dependency is a big no. You can't even watch your local con
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but given the need for a developer setup, I've kinda put it off.
Pretty much why I have never even been tempted in the slightest to buy an apple TV. Also the fact that there are so many devices that will allow you to install kodi as well as do the same things for about 1/3 the price.
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but given the need for a developer setup, I've kinda put it off.
Pretty much why I have never even been tempted in the slightest to buy an apple TV. Also the fact that there are so many devices that will allow you to install kodi as well as do the same things for about 1/3 the price.
When I got the AppleTV the alternatives weren’t that good and for the most part things just work. I am not even sure what good alternatives there are these days, partly since I haven’t been in the market.
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So having to enter developer mode to use the video player you like is your definition of "things just work"? I know kodi is almost the only player I use.
That is why I sad for the most part. Maybe I’ll get a Pi set up with it?
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It's rock solid. I have three of them set up at
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Get a Raspberry Pi 4 with 2GB (or more, but not necessary) and install the Libre Elec image. It's KODI with a just-enough-OS base. You can point to your video shares and it will literally play any file format you throw at it. The Pi 4 supports h.264 and h.265 hardware decoding at 4K too. You can install the Kore remote control app on your phone which will find any KODI instance as long as they're on the same network. No remote or IR receiver necessary.
It's rock solid. I have three of them set up at my house.
I’ll explore it, but I’d rather have a proper remote. Kinda a fed up with the phone being the UI to everything.
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Alarmed if you're a moron maybe? (Score:1)
This feature has been out for almost a month, and you have to opt-in to the sharing.
In fact, I just reviewed the settings for keeping that stuff private and it says this at the bottom:
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The article says you have to opt out.
I don't use it so whatever but that's in the article.
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Yes, and no. Article is playing the "Plex is out to get you!111!" angle so you can't really trust it.
When the feature was introduced, there was a announcement slideshow that greeted users on their apps. It was four slides, and each slide had two choices:
- Continue (to the next slide)
- Skip to Profile Settings (which is the last slide, and had the options to change the privacy settings).
The last slide was just the settings themselves, where they are clearly set to "Friends Only" for Watchlist
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So, a single default setting change and everyone is sharing everything.... not very smart.
I don't use Plex any more, but then I share my porn habits with anyone who asks. I use MChambers, LLovelace and JHolmes as vpn, domain, and database test accounts.
Would you rather I used MJackson, HWeinstein, JFogle, or RKelly? What about SSirhan, HClinton, or JGacy?
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What, this is user misconfiguration and the users are doing it to themselves? That cannot be. Somehow Plex must the the evil mastermind behind this that cleverly turned all those affected into _victims_! Also, who reads documentation and warnings anyways?
But, you are sharing your content already! (Score:1)
"Friending" in Plex means sharing your media library with someone. If you share your porn, they already know. I don't see how this is a problem. I don't put porn on my plex and I also don't "friend" anyone, which was the traditional way of using Plex. You know, viewing your movies and tv series on all the screens in your home...
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I'm assuming you haven't actually used Plex, or at least aren't very familiar with it. Plex allows for multiple libraries of content, even multiples of the same 'type'. For example, I have an audio library for Music and another for Audiobooks - so that I can have Audiobooks not even try to match using the scanner and instead just use ID3 tags.
Point being, you can also control your sharing at a library level. Put porn into it's own library and don't grant access to it. Ez. And I do agree with OP's overall po
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""Friending" in Plex means sharing your media library with someone."
You can have multiple media libraries setup, and the sharing settings are separate for each of them. You can absolutely share your marvel movie collection without sharing your porn collection.
I don't put porn on plex in any capacity, but I have used the library sharing to make curated collections available to specific people. A common use case is to stick G-rated movies and shows into a separate libary, and setup an ipad for the kids that h
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You can choose which libraries to share, so if you have your spicy content in a different library and do not share it, your "friends" would have no idea you have it. I do not know if the recap emails would include that content. I would assume it does.
I must have misread the title of the movie. (Score:5, Funny)
It turns out 'The Loin King' and 'Shaving Ryan's Privates' are not typos.
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Opt-in (Score:2)
This is entirely opt-in and you have to make a change for it to be anything different. If you never set these settings, nothing is shared.
Moreover, for any content watched on Plex Media Servers to be included, that requires a separate opt-in to enable sync of watch state.
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No, adding friends is opt-in, but they changed what information is shared with friends, and that change was opt-out and done without notice.
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This is entirely opt-in and you have to make a change for it to be anything different.
As much as I'd like to agree with you, other people don't see it that way.
When the feature was announced the slideshow comes up on your client and the last page was the privacy settings
(I'm sure you know what slideshow I'm talking about, as I remember a Plex employee named "gbooker")
The privacy settings were pre-set on the last page to "Friends Only". So if you just clicked the "Finish" button on that last page this is how they were saved. Technically, yes, you clicking Finish can be considered you "opting-
Bad Title (Score:2)
"Week in Review"? Personally I'd have gone with "What the fuck did I even watch this week!?"
Why would they watch softcore porn? (Score:2)
Don't they have internet that delivers them the real stuff for free?
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Well, they already seem to have turned on "sharing" without even beginning to understand that means, you know, "sharing". The people affected cannot be very smart or capable.
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It was Bluey. A lot of Bluey. (Score:2)
I have a 4 year old and a 1 year old. We as a family drove 2000 miles round trip last week for Thanksgiving (driving up Sunday and Monday, driving back Friday and Saturday). If any of my friends or family who are connected to me in Plex saw any of “my” viewing habits for the week, I can only assume that it indicated I watched roughly 5000 episodes of Bluey, 500 episodes of Curious George, and 50 Tinkerbell/Pixie Hollow films, and maybe Hari-Kiri (1962) since I watched that right before we left.
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"...that their friends' softcore porn habits..." (Score:2)
Chrome and "auto reopen" (Score:2)
Remember when Chrome started auto opening everything that was open when you shut down without closing all the chrome instances?
Good grief. The family lawyers couldn't get a better gift.
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Did it default to "Do not share my porn habits with friends and family" or did it default to "rape my privacy and share my rape with everyone I know"?
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Uh sure. Ok....
Did it default to "Do not share my porn habits with friends and family" or did it default to "rape my privacy and share my rape with everyone I know"?
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In other words, just like MOST social media.
Downmod me all you want. Demanding privacy on social media is like demanding that bunch of people at a european nude beach show a little more amish-style modesty. I think it’s hilarious that the EU is ser
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Social media? I guess you have a very different idea of social media than the thousands of people complaining online about their porn habits being broadcast to friends and family.
Because obviously that was the expectation of all the thousands of people complaining; they failed to understand and know they were working under the "hdyoung@slashdot social media standard".
The default for ANY app that is anything EXCEPT private is entirely on the company, yes, duh, because they wrote the code. Jfc how is that no
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No idea what you're talking about. Which is true for about half your posts.
If you tell me what the exact problem is then we can discuss it. A quote would help.
You're not one of the people I'm here to intentionally offend at every opportunity.
Re:Yeah (Score:4, Interesting)
On the one hand, I agree with the implication here that people who do things they don't want their friends or family to know about should go out of their way to make sure it stays private, and that includes paying attention when the services they use release new features. This is just Internet "street smarts" and people who don't make this effort will suffer surprises like this.
On the other hand services that introduce new features that publish non-anonymous usage statistics (as the case here) have a moral obligation to default the features to "off" (or whatever setting protects privacy) and make them opt-in features. Service providers are all notorious for refusing this responsibility and making all their new features that they know most of their users don't want or at least don't care about into "opt out" features because they see a better profit angle that way. So they are in the wrong and evil for doing this, just like everyone else because everybody does this.
But the fact that the service provider is in the wrong does not excuse sloth on the part of the users. Your privacy is always your responsibility, and the only safe option is to assume that this sort of thing will happen and to actively and continuously protect yourself against it. Failure to do this does not excuse your providers for betraying you, but it does mean that you will endure suffering that you could have prevented by making wiser choices.
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How many casual users (the 99%) even READ the updates? If you don't turn the new features on by default, most wouldn't even realize they existed.
Still, if you are using Plex, I kind of sort of think you deserve this since there are other options that aren't trying to monetize you.
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Real men do not read documentation! Instead they fuck it up and then blame somebody else.
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Dude, "shouldn't care if we look if you have nothing to hide" has always been the right-wing's playbook as to why you don't need privacy/civil liberties.
Looks like right-wing projection has struck again!
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Maybe in the 90's perhaps. Seems to be whoever is in social/political power strong enough to successfully witch hunt always wants their 'enemies' to have no privacy.
Most of the people I see pulling the nothing to hide(and being the most authoritarian) are 'lefties' now, but give it another decade or two and the pendulum might swing back.
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Nice try at deflection. "If you're not doing anything wrong you should have nothing to hide" is a hallmark of the right side. Civil liberties are anathema to them.
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Since you're posting anonymously, obviously, you have something to hide.
But no, that false screed has always been the refuge of the fascist, along with "think of the CHILDREN!!". It's used by people who can't justify their invasion of your privacy, so they appeal to your fears.