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61-Year-Old Shot, Killed After Tracking Stolen Vehicle With Apple AirTag (bakersfield.com) 236

An anonymous reader shares news from Bakersfield, California: Four men were arrested in the shooting death of a 61-year-old Bakersfield woman who died after police said she confronted suspects who reportedly stole her car, according to a news release issued Wednesday. Victoria Anne Marie Hampton tracked her reportedly stolen car with an Apple air tag on March 19 without telling law enforcement, according to the Bakersfield Police Department.

The coroner reported she was shot at 6:32 p.m.

Two of the four suspects were 19 years old, one was 18, and one was 23.
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61-Year-Old Shot, Killed After Tracking Stolen Vehicle With Apple AirTag

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  • Imagine going to jail for likely the rest of your life because you figured keeping a stolen car was more important than someone's life.

    • "Figured"? Where did you get the idea that criminals do a cost/benefit analysis before acting? Most are driven by base instincts and their actions make little sense in retrospect.
      • Indeed, crime really does not pay if you sit down and do the long term financial analysis. It restricts your life once you can no longer pass a background check, and you spend a lot of time stressing over getting caught.

        Even a 'successful' mob boss can look forward to living their lives avoiding police investigations and assassination by rivals or even subordinates. There also has to be a happiness price caused by suppressing natural empathy.

        But for the short-term thinker... why not?

        • You’re not committing big enough crimes. The Wolf of Wall Street guy committed financial fraud in the tens or possibly hundreds of millions of dollars. He got 23 months in white collar jail. His cell mate was Tommy Chong who was jailed for selling rolling papers.

          You hold up a bank for $3k and you’ll do more than two years in a real federal jail. Not a Martha Stewart jail.

        • by cstacy ( 534252 )

          Indeed, crime really does not pay

          The Shadow Knows!

      • by cstacy ( 534252 )

        "Figured"? Where did you get the idea that criminals do a cost/benefit analysis before acting? Most are driven by base instincts and their actions make little sense in retrospect.

        Professional organized gangs such as this one most certainly do make calculated decisions.

        A common rationale is: I see no job opportunities, and being a criminal pays extremely well. (You can debate why they have that perception, and you can suggest that their 13-23 year old brains are not firing on all cylinders in that department.) But they most certainly have thought about and made a deliberate decision.

        Suggesting that criminals are just crazed monsters wandering around and suddenly acting without though

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Fly Swatter ( 30498 )
      On the taxpayers dime. Free room and board. Healthcare. Jail is not punishment when don't have anything.
  • I am sure that every generation decries the moral degeneracy of "today's youth." Yet we end up with stories like this more frequently and you can't blame it on the Internet or video games or immigrants or even the 2A fetishists.

    A couple of years a go my wife's son was with us and got a call from a neighbor from their quiet suburb. It turned out another neighbor was just shot and killed by a group of three teenagers. They had stolen a car and were joyriding around, and ended up doing donuts in that nei

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Orgasmatron ( 8103 )

      Stealing cars is illegal, murder is illegal. Even discharging a firearm where they did is probably illegal. Why do you imagine that these criminals are willing to break all of these laws, but would be willing to obey your "behavioral requirements"?

      You dickless hoplophobes need to get out and connect with reality now and then, lest you start believing stupid things like violent crime only happening in America.

      • by AlanObject ( 3603453 ) on Saturday June 24, 2023 @08:27PM (#63629794)

        Why do you imagine that these criminals are willing to break all of these laws, but would be willing to obey your "behavioral requirements"?

        Yes of course of course of course. The old "when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns" thing.

        Astute readers will have noted that my "common sense" respondent here failed to address the question of why it is such an issue in the USA and nowhere else in the world? You can get a gun legally and illegally in Japan, Switzerland, Germany, Canada. Any other developed country really.

        But this "common sense" applies only here and nowhere else. Why? I never get a rational answer. Just more NRA bumper sticker crap.

        • in Switzerland, every male adult who was fit enough to be allowed in the army has a gun and ammunition. And if you ever use that gun or any of the ammunition isn't accounted for, you are in deep deep trouble. They are to be used if another country attacks Switzerland and at no other point.
        • you can get a gun legally and illegally in Japan, Switzerland, Germany, Canada. Any other developed country really.

          Technically true, but practically, the legal requirements for legal gun ownership aren't really comparable. At least in Germany, scenarios in which an arbitrary private citizen can legally own say a semi-automatic hand gun are so few and far between as to make it de facto impossible. Switzerland is a bit of an outlier here because of the milita system. But it's a small, wealthy and culturally homogenous place. A direct comparision between Switzerland and the US makes very little sense.

          • Right. The process of obtaining firearms most developed places is arduous. Maybe too much so.

            But you can still obtain arms Illegally in each of those places. And it doesn't result in the insane levels of gun violence we see in the U.S. The argument we get constantly is that since it is "so easy" for criminals to get guns illegally, there might as well be no laws at all. They "do nothing but burden law abiding citizens," and "do nothing to solve the problem."

            It is an obvious lie but it drives o

      • I don't fear guns, I fear the people handling them. Mostly if they are under the influence of alcohol, drugs, peer pressure, or are mentally ill. Guns are tools, just like a hammer or pliers. People are the problem.
    • by Brain-Fu ( 1274756 ) on Saturday June 24, 2023 @08:29PM (#63629802) Homepage Journal

      This is not the only country where this regularly happens, here's proof [wikipedia.org]. Why would you even say such a thing? Do you get your facts from The Onion?

      In rural areas it is normal and necessary to own guns, because one must sometimes contend with hostile wildlife and/or hostile people where law enforcement is thinly spread. People who live in such areas have a hard time understanding why people are so afraid of civilian gun ownership, since they and basically everyone they know owns guns, and things seem perfectly fine to them.

      In crowded cities everyone experience constant "stranger danger," and without some solid emotional hygine that can really get to a person. The last thing someone wants is for scary strangers to be even more scary by owning guns. People with such a mindset have a hard time understanding why any civilized person would support civilian gun ownership.

      These two groups do not communicate well on this topic. The matter is made worst by dishonest statistics. Stats report on "gun violence" rather than "total violence" in an effort to spin a narrative that the presence of guns increases violence. But such a lopsided statistic is easily called-out by people on the other side of the conversation, and since a dishonest stat was put forward, the presumption is that the other side is arguing in bad faith and it all goes down from there.

      The trade-offs cannot be escaped. Disallowing civilian gun ownership might reduce the number of guns that criminals can get their hands on, but it ALSO makes civilians more vulnerable to crime (not to mention attractive targets). Allowing civilian gun ownership might make civilians safer and make criminals think twice before attacking someone who might have a gun, but it also might cause more accidents or enable more crime. We don't know which is which without solid and honest statistics. Speculation about which is which is entirely biased and motivated reasoning that will never convince the other side no matter how right it sounds to the speaker.

      I am personally of the opinion that freedom is a good thing and our default position should be to protect freedom apart from very compelling reasons why it must be sacrificed. Specious reasoning and dishonest statistics have not convinced me that there is "very compelling" reason in this case, so I still support civilian gun ownership. I am willing to listed to counter-arguments, but they must pass the bar of being honest and compelling, otherwise it's just more bias talking.

      • Don't be a spastic. There's space between "ban all the gerns" and "give them out in cornflakes boxes".

        The reason the US is in the shittet is because they lean to the last one. The problem is now so big that it probably can't be fixed and the US is doomed to burying more and more of its children.

        Hey, least the gun company execs and their paid for politicians got new yachts, so there is that I suppose.

        • Shooters pick places like schools because there are no guns there. Nobody who can shoot back. Parents are sending their children to congregate in places where they are not well-protected. That simply doesn't make sense.

          In most instances where police didn't bother doing things like surrounding the building, etc., and just charged right in, the shooters shot themselves the moment they saw the police. They have no interest in being arrested or even surviving, they just want to cause as much harm as they ca

          • And put up some walls around the schools. Make them nice and high. American schools can't be like schools in the rest of the world because? More guns clearly doesn't make anyone safe, otherwise the Ukrainian border regions would be the safest place on earth.
      • I tuned it out when you pulled up wiki link that clearly contradicts what you are trying to say. Mexico, Columbia, Guatemala... Etc.. etc.. countries run by drug cartels, where people are killed on a constant basis by lawlessness and an ineffective central government.
        • That does not contradict my point in linking to wikipedia, at all. I demonstrated that violence involving guns happens in many countries other than the USA, in contradiction to the claim that the USA is the only place where this regularly happens.

      • In rural areas it is normal and necessary to own guns, because one must sometimes contend with hostile wildlife and/or hostile people where law enforcement is thinly spread. People who live in such areas have a hard time understanding why people are so afraid of civilian gun ownership, since they and basically everyone they know owns guns, and things seem perfectly fine to them.

        I have no problem with civilian gun ownership. There are people who just want to ban all guns and while that would work to curb gun violence, I am not one of them. In fact I am in favor of regular gun ownership.

        Yet I also find the condition we have as untenable. Perhaps you are happy with unrestrained gun violence. I am not. I don't consider the average (or even most of) gun owners to be any kind of threat and therefore would not consider taking their guns away to be any sort of solution. Instead I

    • Yet this is the only country where this regularly happens and they will never answer why that is.

      Probably because the reality is a bit harsh, the difference between the USA and other countries with lax firearms laws that have far fewer firearms offences is that of culture and of societal support.

      Desperation can lead to all manner of horrible things. Does it surprise me that a country where one medical diagnosis or accident can be the difference between a normal life and indentured servitude has violent crime problems? Not really.

      The support systems and culture in the USA can be pretty terrible. Blaming

    • by kackle ( 910159 )

      Yet this is the only country where this regularly happens and they will never answer why that is.

      I'll take shot (pardon the pun).

      We are "wealthy" and therefore can afford a plethora of guns during non-wartime. We have probably have more lazy idiots per capita than any other developed country; look at our children's test scores. We have arguably porous borders that let it all kinds of bad stuff: People (some desperate), weapons, drugs and things we might not even know. We subsidize people here who would otherwise be most concerned with earning their next meal. We have weak familial [pewresearch.org] structures--2

      • That's a good effort and I appreciate it.

        I'm glad your nephew is OK, but I don't think his case supports your argument.

  • That sucks. I guess.

  • by S_Stout ( 2725099 ) on Saturday June 24, 2023 @09:35PM (#63629890)
    The reason she went herself is because the police would not. Do not pretend they would have.
  • ...in our culture.

    Thieves steal things.
    As witnessed here, the Mark Rober porch pirate glitter bomb video, and ceaseless other examples, it is not hard to identify them nor even to track them down.
    The police do not care. Or, to be more accurate, they care as much as anyone but are well aware that the vast amount of paperwork, time, and labor to arrest that unquestionable criminal will be mooted the moment they are almost-instantly released uncharged, unpunished, unrepentant.

    In the hierarchy of human needs,

  • Moral of the story: don't bring a moron to a gunfight.

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