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NYPD Urges Citizens To Buy AirTags To Fight Surge In Car Thefts (arstechnica.com) 115

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: The New York Police Department (NYPD) and New York City's self-proclaimed computer geek of a mayor are urging resident car owners to equip their vehicles with an Apple AirTag. During a press conference on Sunday, Mayor Eric Adams announced the distribution of 500 free AirTags to New Yorkers, saying the technology would aid in reducing the city's surging car theft numbers. Adams held the press conference at the 43rd precinct in the Bronx, where he said there had been 200 instances of grand larceny of autos. An NYPD official said that in New York City, 966 Hyundais and Kias have been stolen this year thus far, already surpassing 2022's 819 total. The NYPD's public crime statistics tracker says there have been 4,492 vehicle thefts this year, a 13.3 percent increase compared to the same period last year and the largest increase among NYC's seven major crime categories.

Adams, as the city did when announcing litigation against Kia and Hyundai on April 7, largely blamed the rise in car thefts on Kia and Hyundai, which he said are "leading the way" in stolen car brands. Hyundais and Kias were the subjects of the Kia Challenge TikTok trend that encouraged people to jack said vehicles with a mere USB-A cable. The topic has graduated way beyond a social media fad and into a serious concern. [...] Adams was adamant grand larceny auto numbers were dragging the city's overall crime numbers up and urged New Yorkers to "participate" in the fight against car theft by using an AirTag.
NYPD Chief of Department Jeffrey Maddrey said users who report a stolen vehicle equipped with an AirTag will see the police use "drones, our StarChase technology & good old fashion police work to safely recover your stolen car."

"Help us help you, get an AirTag," he tweeted.
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NYPD Urges Citizens To Buy AirTags To Fight Surge In Car Thefts

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    If everyone has an AirTag in their car, wouldn't that just lead to better tools for thieves to detect and remove them?

    • Yes, but at least it helps to shift the responsibility for the stolen car from the police to the owners...
      • The semi annoying thing about AirTags is they do not a product specific Bluetooth Device ID range. They are commingled with headphones, watches, remote controllers, computer peripherals, etc. As such, without attempting to pair with said device, you do not know that it it is an AirTag. But yeah, modern thieves looking to circumvent this kind of tracking, could jam the Bluetooth frequency bands. However that is is one of those really big deals that the federal government.
        • No no. This is shift blame from Kia Hyundai to Apple. It will be their fault that criminals steal cars now, and not the auto manufacturers.
          • So the actual thieves are not to blame? There is something wrong with this system.
            • So the actual thieves are not to blame? There is something wrong with this system.

              Welcome to modern day Progressive government.

        • by mattaw2001 ( 9712110 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @08:46PM (#63492942)
          Jamming Bluetooth is pretty hard, and would be very obvious. Bluetooth was especially hardened from the ground up with spread spectrum and frequency hopping/ switching techniques so you have to spam energy everywhere at once if you get what I mean, or have a very smart active jammer
          • by irving47 ( 73147 )

            If I remember right, BT changes freqs 1600 times per second... Still doesn't help my laptop stay connected to my "kick" speaker 2 feet away when I rest my hand on the wrong spot! :)

          • Jamming Bluetooth is pretty hard, and would be very obvious.

            My experience of developing BLE was it just crapped out in crowded places, i.e. places with lots of phones chirping bluetooth stuff all over the place. Though I could pick up advertisements, just couldn't connect. So that's probably enough. Even so that wasn't a blocking effort.

          • Jamming Bluetooth is pretty hard, and would be very obvious.

            One truth and one lie.

            The lie is that it is difficult. It is not: spark gap
            The truth is that it is indeed VERY obvious as ALL electronic communication will stop. In fact, if the energy applied is great enough, it can even stop communications internal to the device itself.

      • by kenh ( 9056 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @07:24PM (#63492846) Homepage Journal

        Yes, but at least it helps to shift the responsibility for the stolen car from the police to the owners...

        Who blames the police when their car is stolen?

        • I would say not enough people, obviously.

          In an environment where stealing cars is normalized? I would maybe blame the police.

          In an environment where the police say "not our job, use a tracker"? I would maybe blame the police.

          The problem here is seeing the forest for the trees. It is the job of the police not only to find stolen cars, but also to not allow the problem to grow out of control. In TFA however the police basically say that cars are being stolen left and right, and that they don't give a fsck abo

        • Obviously, the police are underfunded, understaffed, and underappreciated, and have an enormous job just to keep the roads and streets just barely safe. I'm not going to shit all over the cops who are actually doing their job, which, at this point, I think, is the good majority of them.

          But, the ones who attempt to enforce unconstitutional and therefore legally unenforceable "gun laws," I sorta do blame them. Because if people were allowed to defend themselves and other innocents and their property, there

    • If NY actually put these guys in Jail then perhaps there would soon be much less people stealing cars. If they recover the car and give the thief nothing but a ride to the station then yes perhaps they will just lead to a method to find and remove the tag fairly fast.
    • Here people are finding hidden airtags on their highly valued cars (RAV4 Prime, RX350, etc) because thieves are tracking them and chose the right moment and time to steal it, put it in a container, and ship to middle-east... So now cars will have 2 airtags, the owner, and the future thief?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @06:10PM (#63492652)

    This was always a scam from way back.

    I got LoJack installed because I lived in a high theft area and wanted to protect my car.

    When it got stolen and COMPLETELY stripped, it was still found (just a few hours later after being stolen) due to the LoJack.

    Then the ordeal really started. Insurance didn't want to total it, and they also dragged their feet in getting it fixed, etc. Couldn't buy a new car in the meantime while this one was in limbo. This went on for about a year (before they finally agreed to "fix" it).

    Moral of the story is, if your car gets stolen, you probably don't want it back (or found). All you are doing is helping the insurance companies (and theft numbers for police) and hurting yourself...if the vehicle is gone you get reimbursed, can just get on with life and get a new vehicle.

    Don't make it easy for them; make the police actively deter theft instead of trying to protect themselves and insurance after you've already been harmed.

    • It sounds like LoJack worked exactly as advertised, but you have crappy insurance. That's not LoJack's fault!

      • by HBI ( 10338492 )

        Adjusters are used to dealing with crash or comp damage, like a flood. The nice thing about those kind of losses is that if you get a hit in a particular location, it's pretty obvious what needs to be done and the 'hidden damage' has a rhyme or reason to it. Even then, a Corvette with a fiberglas body, for instance, often requires many supplementals because say, all of the fiberglas anchors got sheared off and need repair/replacement. This takes a while because the insurer won't pay for anything you can'

        • Re:sigh (Score:4, Insightful)

          by Tony Isaac ( 1301187 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @07:26PM (#63492854) Homepage

          An insurance company that doesn't total a stripped car, and takes a year to complete the claim, is an incompetent or dishonest insurance company.

          • And you've met an honest insurance company without fail? There's always the exception, and I'd hate for you to be that
            • Re: sigh (Score:4, Informative)

              by Tony Isaac ( 1301187 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @07:40PM (#63492876) Homepage

              It is possible to find good car insurance companies. Do your homework, check out Consumer Reports. Good insurers do exist.

              https://www.consumerreports.or... [consumerreports.org]

              • by Anonymous Coward

                lol, no they don't. There's a difference between cheap insurance and good insurance. The latter doesn't really exist because assessors will always nickel-and-dime claims to reduce payouts as much as possible and keep their shareholders happy.

                At the end of the day all forms of insurance are government-approved shakedown operations, skimming money from society to the benefit of shareholders, and mathematically people are better off putting their insurance premiums into interest-bearing savings accounts.

                • by HBI ( 10338492 )

                  If you understand the rules of the game, you can benefit from insurance. Ironically, property damage (PD) insurance is probably the most legit form of same, my father did lit for insurers and then was an independent adjuster for many years. His saying was "claims don't go away by themselves" and he was right. You have to pay them ultimately - whether it is now or later, and it'll cost more later in most cases.

                  If you want to see real games, try the life insurance racket or reinsurance. Or investigate how

    • by ShooterNeo ( 555040 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @06:42PM (#63492740)

      You should have gotten rental car coverage. This means that the insurance is paying for a rental the entire time they are dragging their feet. So either they total it or order it repaired, either way, either you get a new car much sooner than 1 year or for a year you put zero miles on a car.

      • by kmoser ( 1469707 )
        My rental coverage goes for 30 days. I'm not sure "unlimited" rental coverage is even available.
      • You should have gotten rental car coverage. This means that the insurance is paying for a rental the entire time they are dragging their feet. So either they total it or order it repaired, either way, either you get a new car much sooner than 1 year or for a year you put zero miles on a car.

        Been through this - once the insurance company makes their lowball offer, and you refuse, the rental car coverage ends even if you are still inside their rental coverage window. They have all the leverage.

    • Education and social programs deter a crime. Just like it's not a cop's job to protect you it's not their job to stop crime. Their job is to make sure that the day-to-day operation of the economy continues without incident. Otherwise known as enforcing laws. But that's not the same as stopping crime.
      • Education and social programs deter a crime. Just like it's not a cop's job to protect you it's not their job to stop crime. Their job is to make sure that the day-to-day operation of the economy continues without incident. Otherwise known as enforcing laws. But that's not the same as stopping crime.

        Hypothetical question.

        Taking violent crime as a specific case, suppose we reduce the police in an area and found that violent crime went up.

        Would you be willing to revise your opinion if the previous statement were found true?

        Just asking.

        • Why is the USA the only developed country with a mass shooting problem?

          • Because Jesus?

          • by Zak3056 ( 69287 )

            That's a reasonable question. If "prevalence of firearms" were the major contributing factor, the Swiss would be dying in droves--and yet they are not, suggesting that the inanimate object isn't really the problem. My unfortunately conclusion is that Americans are a violent people by nature (you need look no further than our entertainment to see that). I have no idea how you solve that problem.

            • see here [businessinsider.com]

              We could stop about half of all shootings tomorrow by taking guns away from domestic abusers.... but we'd also lose half our police force.

              We're not violent by nature, we're made that way by our political and economic system. Switzerland puts every man in the army. For a country like America that uses it's army for empire building that won't really work (it's one thing to send dirt poor volunteers to die for oil, it's another to do that with upper middle class boys), but it does have the huge
              • by Zak3056 ( 69287 )

                We could stop about half of all shootings tomorrow by taking guns away from domestic abusers

                This has been the law for 25 years. A misdemeanor conviction for any type of domestic abuse crime results in a federally mandated lifetime ban on the ownership of firearms. While I personally don't believe a misdemeanor conviction should be grounds for the lifetime removal of a right, it is nontheless the law.

                Further, your number is an absurdity. More than half of "gun deaths" are suicides. Even if we assume by "shootings" you meant "murder", finding cause is difficult, because those statistics largely do

          • "War on drugs," racial tension, and widespread contempt for Law. All of which are related.

            Also, we're not the only country with mass shootings. Latin America is far worse in that regard, and they happen almost everywhere, although the ones that do happen here are always publicized (but the MANY lives saved by defensive firearm use are not) for obvious political reasons.

            • I don't see any such thing. There was a small uptick in shoplifting during the pandemic when people couldn't work and needed to eat. It's already back to normal. Or are you going to trout out the 98% peaceful BLM protests as proof of lawlessness (and ignore that the 1.9% of that 2% was from counter protestors)....

              Seriously, Americans are on the whole very law abiding. But we're also treated like shit. Push a man too far and shit happens. Given how bad we treat people it's only borderline sainthood that
      • Sorry but you are completely out of your mind thinking that. There innumerable cases of police in the United States preventing crimes, either by being present to prevent it or responding in time to halt crimes in progress. The great tragedies occur when police are not present or when they can not/will not respond in time.

        They do not exist merely to protect "the economy".

        • by Rujiel ( 1632063 )

          Police in the US have no legal obligation to help or protect you if the situation seems dangerous.

          https://www.findlaw.com/legalb... [findlaw.com]

          Certain policing activities are profitable for police (civil asset forfeiture), others are not

          • by Zak3056 ( 69287 )

            Police in the US have no legal obligation to help or protect you if the situation seems dangerous.

            This is entirely true. It's also entirely true that "when seconds count, the police are only minutes away."

            With that said, just because there is no legal obligation to "protect and serve" does not mean that most police forces do not do exactly that. In the recent shooting in Nashville, from the time police arrived on scene until they stopped the shooter was around three minutes (which included parking the car, getting gear together, and doing a good job of clearing the building). Those guys were all about

      • Education and social programs deter a crime....

        In a roundabout and general way, perhaps. Lead is a lot more direct, and impresses the criminal on the scene.

      • Putting shitheads in prison deters crime. Progressive policies are nothing more than politically correct bullshit with no basis in reality.

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          Prison just ensures they will commit more crimes. Not only are they able to network with other criminals, in the US the stigma of having a criminal record all but ensures they will have little option but to go on committing crimes.

          Prison can work, if it's primarily about reform and giving that person a chance to go straight when they get out. Very few countries have prisons like that, but there they do they work.

          • Though I'm generally a conservative-leaning libertarian, I fully agree with this. The "criminal justice" system in this country is broken badly, starting with the very definitions of "criminal" and "justice." And both parties are to blame for this. It serves their interests. It does NOT serve ours, nor anyone else's.
        • in the world. But as we all know, reality has a well known liberal bias...
    • by PPH ( 736903 )

      it was still found (just a few hours later after being stolen) due to the LoJack

      In Seattle, many stolen cars turn up within a few hours. Not necessarily stripped, but rammed into the front of a business in a smash and grab robbery. Or used in a drive-by hit. The thieves don't care if it's tracked. The primary crime behind the theft can still be carried out before the owner or police can pick up the track. And since the police in Washington State can't pursue a stolen car, the criminals that use them have to be pretty witless to not outrun the cops, dump the car and be on their way*.

      *T

    • Yeah, I was going to say - I don't want my car back after it's stolen.

  • By a private corporation. No need to ask what could go wrong.

  • Hold on a sec (Score:5, Insightful)

    by budsetr ( 4952293 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2023 @06:13PM (#63492668)

    In the past if we gave them this geo-location info they would be all "Didn't ask for it, don't want it, stop hindering us in our job. DO NOT go there yourself (because we definately aren't)."
    Add to this the whole, allowed to lie, are not required to protect, immune to crimes they commit.....what fucking good are they????

  • Make this political - despite how NYPD tends to make everything political - but this does sort of reinforce what some political sects say: everyone is responsible for their own safety. This is just capitalism solving the problem of what state run agencies can't, or won't, do...

    I doubt the cops will be recovering many of these vehicles, but at least it can be used as proof with the insurance company and loan officers that it was stolen when it takes months to deal with a police report...

    • I doubt the cops will be recovering many of these vehicles

      Except for the occasional joy ride, I thought most stolen vehicles were broken down into parts to put in the lucrative spare-part supply chain.

    • NYPD Urges Citizens To Buy AirTags To Fight Surge In Car Thefts

      It doesn't help with the "Surge In Car Thefts", but starts a "Surge In Car Recoveries Without Involving NYPD"

  • These words used to have meaning, but not anymore in New York.

    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
  • If only there were a way to lock up said thieves when caught, possibly even hold them until their trial if there's a high likelihood of reoffense?

    Crazy, I know.

    • If only there were a way to lock up said thieves when caught

      I mean ostensibly yes, but America already has the highest per capita prison population and the highest total prison population in the world. Either Americans are naturally more felonious than anyone else or something about the locking up strategy isn't working.

      • .. America already has the highest per capita prison population and the highest total prison population in the world. Either Americans are naturally more felonious than anyone else or something about the locking up strategy isn't working.

        Are they the only two reasons you can think of? And that it must be either/or?

        • And that it must be either/or?

          For the avoidance of doubt, it's not the former. Americans aren't natural criminals any more or less than any other population, and nothing has changed genetically since 1970. The American prison system however has two major problems:

          1. It's steeped in a puritanically inspired type of retributive justice rather than any attempt at rehabilitation and value for money. Puritanical thinking allows only for extremes. Shoot up a school? You're bad and going to hell. Steal food to fee

  • So car theft is helping Apple shift product? I always knew that Apple were in bed with criminals. I'm sure there are powerful Apple lobbyists right now in Washington going, "Go easy on the grand theft auto arrests OK... you don't want to appear...RACIST...now do you? AirTags are the solution to all the city's problems... you might even land a nice job at Apple after you're done running this town whaddya say?" *wink* *wink*
  • Call every police officer a racist and watch how quickly they leave. Without enough police you get chaos. FAFO.
  • I know my apple tags still chirp, I thought I read one of their competitors did this to "to prevent stalking use" -- but it also alerts thieves as to the tags presence. I'm guessing that's its still only apple tags that are so handicapped?

  • Sometimes technology is not the answer.
  • by Pravetz-82 ( 1259458 ) on Wednesday May 03, 2023 @02:20AM (#63493374)
    We have so much technical capability to lock down the control modules of cars. We can also track each part of the car individually, if we want. Why nobody is thinking about this ?!
    Around here for a new car you would be insane to not insure it, as it is virtually guaranteed to get stolen otherwise. That insurance will cost you 4-5% of the insured value (which may or may not match the what you paid for the car) every year. For 10 years, that is 30-50% you have to pay on top of the purchase price. It is a hidden tax, effectively and is quite big.
  • I can't remember who said, that to be successful in our modern world, you must be able to contradict yourself.

    This was on /. just a few hours before:

    Apple and Google Team Up To Stop Unwanted AirTag Tracking - Slashdot [slashdot.org]

  • If your car is stolen, it's your own fault. Thieves have mortgages, too.

Waste not, get your budget cut next year.

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