Match Sues Google Over App Store Billing Rules (bloomberg.com) 31
Match Group accused Alphabet's Google in a lawsuit of acting as a monopolist with its app store billing rules, the latest escalation in a brawl over the mobile-app industry. From a report: Match Group, which operates dating apps such as Tinder and OkCupid, alleged that Google breaks federal and state laws and abuses its power with a requirement that app developers use its billing system on Android devices. "Ten years ago, Match Group was Google's partner. We are now its hostage," Match Group said in a complaint filed Monday in northern California federal court.
"Blinded by the possibility of getting an ever-greater cut of the billions of dollars users spend each year on Android apps, Google set out to monopolize the market for how users pay for their Android apps." Google, like Apple, has faced enormous recent legal and political scrutiny over the commission fees and billing restrictions both companies apply to paid services in their app stores. Congress is currently weighing a bill to force Google and Apple to change their business models.
"Blinded by the possibility of getting an ever-greater cut of the billions of dollars users spend each year on Android apps, Google set out to monopolize the market for how users pay for their Android apps." Google, like Apple, has faced enormous recent legal and political scrutiny over the commission fees and billing restrictions both companies apply to paid services in their app stores. Congress is currently weighing a bill to force Google and Apple to change their business models.
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It doesn't matter if it's Mastercard, Visa, PayPal, Apple or Google, there should be a cap on percentages, interests, profit margins, etc.
That won't work - any excess profits will magically disappear into executive bonuses and other creative accounting methods, just like "non-profit" corporations do.
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I can only speak for an Apple customer, but the commission they charge pretty much seems fair time. Software sold on their platform has essentially zero marginal costs for each additional sale.
What does piss the living shit out of me is the "subscription" BS. It has turned low cost software into a high cost service for a number of apps. (So I vote with my wallet and cancel the subscription unless it provides me sufficient marginal value to be worth it to me.)
Re: We need guidelines for payment services (Score:2)
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Which gets back to the value proposition. I have a couple calculator apps that I paid $10-15 for, and based on my use that is fine. They get minor updates, but no new features or bug fixes (one is an emulator with some annoying bugs that I offered a $100 bounty on, but no action). Some apps provide value with subscriptions-- paying for data streams or hosting servers-- but there is a limit to that value for me. Paying $100/year for a softphone (not the SIP account or POTS number) is too high.
I don't know h
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It doesn't matter. I don't see why consumers are against Apple and Google for how payment mechanisms in the App Stores work. Apple and Google charge a hefty commission on digital only content, and in exchange the free-tier is.. well... free. Also, it is so convenient having one party hold onto your credit card information, tracking all spending, managing all subscriptions, and keeping away all fraud. Can you imagine how many "Your card number was compromised by someone you did business with. We have disabled your card and are shipping you a new one with a new number." messages you would get regularly if every app you purchased content from stored your credit card data? And for what? A shortage of apps? A limited amount of digital content? Google and Apple are not charing fees to the point that the market is broken. It is healthy, and functioning well. So many developers still chose to enter that business and market.
It's not even about storing payment information. Google and Apple provide storage, regional distribution, version tracking and complex sales metrics for the apps you sell on their app stores. Not sure about Google, but Apple does a pretty decent job about keeping malicious applications off their app store. While I agree that the percentage they keep is pretty steep, you have to admit that they DO provide some value-add for that fee.
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It doesn't matter if it's Mastercard, Visa, PayPal, Apple or Google, there should be a cap on percentages, interests, profit margins, etc.
What I want to know is not the percentages of each service, but why can't developers decide what they want to use, instead of being force to use one specific service?
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The market is clearly healthy. Having the government fix prices simply because some developers want more money is not a public good.
If they win, I'm selling at Walmart (Score:2)
If anyone gets a verdict against Google, saying they have to allow sellers in their store who aren't using Google checkout, I'm going to set up shop in my local Walmart.
I'll set up a table selling stuff, with my own cash register
Walmart won't get anything from the sales. If they try to kick me out of the store I'll point out the ruling that people running a store can't stop people from selling stuff of their own inside your store.
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Why does this sound completely crazy and rational at the same time?
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The customer doesn't own the Google Play store, or the Walmart store.
They go to the Walmart store to buy stuff for their house.
They go to the Google Play store to buy stuff for their phone.
They go to the pool store to buy stuff for their pool.
They can't set up shop selling stuff in the pool store using their own cash register.
They can't set up shop selling stuff in the Play store using their own cash register.
They can't set up shop selling stuff in the Walmart store using their own cash register.
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Google, Apple etc. are abusing the dominance of their app stores. Very little of this actually has to do with security and "customers love a walled-garden".
Here's a slightly different analogy: Imagine if you bought Sony PlayStation at Walmart and 30% of your PlayStation purchases (games, services etc.) went to Walmart, simply because that's where your initial purchase was made. Your hardware capability is not reliant on Walmart and doesn't need anything but an internet connection with Sony (or whoever So
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Analogies aren't arguments. Cars aren't software. If I buy a car, shouldn't I expect to receive regular updates that add functionality - free of charge? No, because cars aren't software. If my car randomly stops, do I simply restart the engine and carry on my way? No, software is different.
The best way to use an analogy is as an illustration of an argument. If find right, the analogy is effector a rephrasing of an argument for clarity.
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And I'll be setting up a table on top of your table and selling stuff from my table. There will be a ladder in your way, but you can't kick my store out of your store inside of a store.
Physical world != digital world.
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If anyone gets a verdict against Google, saying they have to allow sellers in their store who aren't using Google checkout, I'm going to set up shop in my local Walmart.
I'll set up a table selling stuff, with my own cash register
Walmart won't get anything from the sales. If they try to kick me out of the store I'll point out the ruling that people running a store can't stop people from selling stuff of their own inside your store.
Well, in that scenario you would be trespassing. It would be more like if Walmart allowed you to stock your merchandise on their shelves but when someone wanted to buy your items and went to the checkout, there was a separate cash register (you I guess, sitting at your table) where they would pay you for just those specific items.
A huge disadvantage with this is that because your sales aren't going through Walmart, you lose ALL the sales data and metrics that would have been available to you if you let Wa
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That's not too different from Consignment shopping. But in the case of consignment shops, the store keeping needs to deal with everything around the product (display, advertise, stocking, etc) except for the product itself.
You sell your goods at Walmart. Walmart takes a cut. But you don't have to sit there and man your table with your product.
I think that is different from the Play Store case here. Play store is just adding a fee for the right to be on Android.
Maybe if they made alternative stores 1st c
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F-Droid still can't update apps in the background on a on a non-rooted phone.
Google prevents competition. Walmart doesn't prevent you from going to Kmart.
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So you're telling me if my wife doesn't root her phone, she actually has to click the notification to ALLOW F-Droid to replace the app with a new and different version? They don't let F-Droid invisibly replace your apps in the background? I'm absolutely livid about this. :)
No that was always the case (Score:2)
Ten years ago, Match Group was Google's partner. We are now its hostage
Wrong, you were always the hostage, just treated better ten years ago.
This is true for relying on ANY other company that acts as a gateway for a service you are selling. YouTube, App Store, Play Store, whatever. You are always going to be working under rules they set, that may destroy you at any moment.
If every single app of any significant size in the App Store does not have a web app waiting in the wings to deploy, I don't even have
Pull the app from the store... (Score:1)
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Or, just ditch the app altogether and make it a fricking website like it should have been in the first place.
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It is not just about the money (Score:3)
By being part of the sales process google get to see who is buying from where. This is all part of google's grab and abuse of personal data that feeds its advertising business. For this reason alone google should be forbidden to insist on being a payment processor.
Colour me confused (Score:2)
So Match can sideboard apps onto Android services, but prefers to use the Playstore. However, they want Google to allow them to use a different payment processor.
In short, they donâ(TM)t have to use the Play store, but want a judge to allow them to use it in their terms.
Part of me thinks this wasnâ(TM)t a problem until they stopped growing, and now need to justify either a ridiculous valuation or the CEOâ(TM)s salary.
Sometimes growth is finite!
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Also there are other stores on Android ....
Match are they not the people who patented some maths ...
Hopefully will make sideloading normal (Score:2)
No doubt side loading will become more preveleant because of this. Let's just hope it's enough to make it the norm, and Google as a gatekeeper disappears.