Singapore Will Stop Covering the Medical Bills of Unvaccinated COVID-19 Patients (npr.org) 337
"Singapore's government has been covering the medical bills of COVID-19 patients throughout the pandemic," reports NPR. "But it says unvaccinated people will soon be on their own."
Those who are "unvaccinated by choice" will have to start paying for their own COVID-19 treatment starting December 8, the Ministry of Health announced on Monday, citing the strain they are putting on the nation's health care system.
"Currently, unvaccinated persons make up a sizeable majority of those who require intensive inpatient care, and disproportionately contribute to the strain on our healthcare resources," it said in a statement...
"Our hospitals really much prefer not to have to bill these patients at all, but we have to send this important signal, to urge everyone to get vaccinated if you are eligible," Health Minister Ong Ye Kung said on Monday.
Singapore has one of the highest vaccination rates in the world. As of Sunday, 85% of its population was fully vaccinated, and 18% had received booster shots, according to health ministry data.
Thanks to Slashdot reader AleRunner for sharing the story...
"Currently, unvaccinated persons make up a sizeable majority of those who require intensive inpatient care, and disproportionately contribute to the strain on our healthcare resources," it said in a statement...
"Our hospitals really much prefer not to have to bill these patients at all, but we have to send this important signal, to urge everyone to get vaccinated if you are eligible," Health Minister Ong Ye Kung said on Monday.
Singapore has one of the highest vaccination rates in the world. As of Sunday, 85% of its population was fully vaccinated, and 18% had received booster shots, according to health ministry data.
Thanks to Slashdot reader AleRunner for sharing the story...
Good. (Score:5, Insightful)
Hopefully Australia will follow suit.
Re:Good. (Score:5, Informative)
Hopefully Australia will follow suit.
They can't because all public hospitals were already free in Australia, not just for Covid as in Singpore.
In Singapore, hospitals normally bill patients, who get part of the money from compulsory medical savings and insurance plans.
Only for Covid admissions was everything made free, but now for unvaccinated people, they must pay hospital bills for covid like any other illness.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
It is a very efficient system, delivering top class care for only 4.5% of GDP, compared to 9% in Australia, or 17% in the US.
I guess Australia could void the Medicare insurance of unvaccinated Covid patients, and bill them like non-residents, but that would be a far greater step than Singapore has taken, and be politically impossible.
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Healthcare spending as a percentage of GDP is a somewhat flawed statistic. For example, Ireland spends 6.9% of their GDP on healthcare, one of the lowest percentages in the EU (which averages 9.9%).
Why is Ireland's spending so low? Well, Ireland's GDP per capita is a huge $84,000, one of the highest in the world, but much of this "economic activity" is due to Ireland's status as a corporation tax haven.
In comparison, the UK has a GDP per capita of just $40,000, yet the UK's median/mean incomes are actually
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Yes, Ireland is an outlier. But is there any reason the comparison is not valid for the 3 highly developed countries mentioned?
Few would argue that healthcare costs are out of control in the US, and that Singapore is exceptionally good at keeping costs down.
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Australia's 9% of GDP spent on healthcare is unexceptional, and you correctly point out that US healthcare costs are huge. That only leaves Singapore.
Singapore is far from being an ordinary country. It is a very wealthy city state, with a mere 5.7 million population. London has a similar population to Singapore, and similar income levels - approximately double those of the UK in general. But most Londoners rely on the UK's NHS for their medical treatment, so the UK's average healthcare spend of 10% of GDP b
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My sentiments, sort of if. If they want the freedom to choose they should have it and I bear them no ill will in that choice, but by making that choice I believe that the should suffer the direct consequences of their actions. I also not only should they have to pay for their treatment they should be de-prioritized, so if there are sick people who chose to get the vaccine that need the bed, they should take precedence no matter how much money they have.
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Fuck them.
Don't do that. It's a great way of spreading Covid.
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I wish we could go even further and have public gloating over anti-vaxxer and COVID19 denier deaths.
nothing stopping you [reddit.com]
Some people should be celebrated for dying from their stupidity as a lesson for others.
Speaking of which, it sounds like one of my neighbors literally just (at 5:02 AM) set off a mortar with a very rapid report, but unfortunately I don't hear any screaming.
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Maybe that info is in the report.
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If you can't understand basic statistics, then you really do deserve to die.
Collateral damage (Score:2)
If you can't understand basic statistics, then you really do deserve to die.
Ethical problems of sacrificing the "less bright" part of the population aside, there are two logical problems with that:
- Asymptomatic and paucisympatomatic. As sizeable chunk of the non vaccinated would survive SARS-CoV-2 without even noticing. At least, they'll unwittingly contribute to the spreading of the virus, at worse they'll smuggly answer "See it wasn't worth getting the short! I survived Sniffle-19 without the gene therapy anyway!"
- Non-vaccinable people: Older people with a fragile immune system
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You don't want innocent bystanders to die just because of a few anti-vaxx nutters.
And that is what it boils down to and why the anti-vaxxers have to have their freedoms curtailed.
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>Official Covid deaths in Italy are 133,000 total, and about 300-350 in the last week.
You're right of course. What he's calling the new official numbers are from a news story where a pundit took a report based on a unrepresentative sample of about 7000 "submitted" files of hospital patients and extrapolated from there to the whole population.
By the way, the 133,000 total seems very close to the total yearly excess deaths in Italy compared to the previous 5 years.
https://www.reuters.com/articl... [reuters.com]
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A respiratory virus can't be at the time very deadly and spreads worldwide. People need to be healthy enough to contaminate others.
No, you idiot. It's deadly enough to kill much more people than usual, but it still spreads enough before people show symptoms, or asymptomatic.
Biology doesn't work on a binary system dumbass. Each disease has its own profile, and sooner or later, like now, you get a disease that hits a sweet spot of delayed deadliness but high infectiousness.
The new official covid deaths number for Italy is around ~3000.
Bullshit.
This covid nightmare accounted for 2% of France hospitalization in 2020.
Bullshit.
Things I wish everyone would remember (Score:4, Insightful)
2) Individual responsibility means that you're responsible for how your actions impact others, not just how your choices and actions will affect you.
3) Health from a holistic standpoint matters. Maintain a healthy body and mind and you've eliminated as many possible comorbidities as feasible.
4) Competence matters far more than empathy when the chips are down. Don't act like an idiot and you probably won't be needing other peoples empathy.
5) Diseases are also not either-or! SARS-CoV-2 isn't going to defer itself just because you're battling influenza. Get your flu vaccine if you can.
6) Doveryay, no proveryay... as the Russians say. Stay informed but keep in mind the provenance of the research that journalists cite; also, read it for yourself.
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Indeed. Complete and utter bullshit. Of course an infections disease can be completely deadly and still spread world-wide. All it needs is a long enough delay between people getting infectious and the infected becoming infectious themselves on one side and people showing clear symptoms in the other. This is pandemic modelling 101. Incidentally, Covid has that delay and that is one of its main success factors.
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I am pretty sure you have no interest in actual real data and carefully conducted studies but, just in case, I would point you at this: COVID-19 Vaccination and Non–COVID-19 Mortality Risk [cdc.gov]. TLDNR summary: those who are vaccinated are less likely to die from all non-Covid causes than the unvaccinated.
Re: Good. (Score:5, Informative)
The unhealthiest cohort from our mortality calculations for the general population, it may very well indicate that adverse reactions and injury from vaccine are higher than severe disease from the pathogen.
Pardon my French, but shut the fuck up. The miniscule "adverse" reactions to the vaccine are just that, miniscule. Of the hundreds of millions of doses delivered so far in the U.S. alone, there have only been a few thousand adverse reactions to the various vaccines. And you know what those adverse reactions are? A sore arm, feeling as if you're sick (for one day), anaphalaxis (which can happen with any vaccine, not just covid), Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (5 total deaths after nearly 20 million J&J vaccines), myocarditis and pericarditis. Of those cases where someone has died after receiving any of the vaccines, there is no evidence the vaccine caused the death except in the TTS cases noted above. However, these deaths must still be reported, just like they would be if you received a measles booster shot and died a few days later.
Further, there have been over 432 million doses of all the vaccines administered in the U.S. and the total number of deaths reported after someone received a vaccine is 9,549, with no evidence the vaccine caused those deaths except as listed above. That equates to 0.0022% of all people getting a vaccine, and since there is no evidence the vaccine caused any of the majority of these deaths, the true number is probably a few more decimal places to the left. To use another word, miniscule.
Meanwhile, there have been over 760,000 deaths directly attirbutable to covid, and millions more with long covid symptoms requiring weeks or months of rehabilitation as well as medical care, as well as 1,200 more people dying every day from covid. And before you go spouting VAERS!, here is the official CDC web site for VAERS [cdc.gov] explaining how it works.
Unfortunately we canâ(TM)t arrive at this conclusion when researchers and physicians are threatened by a mob empowered by media and politicians who want to ride this gravy train as far and long as they can.
Yeah, fuck off again. The mob is empowered by the orange criminal and his cohorts, and amplified by the Republican party and their so-called media. They're the ones day in and day out telling people not to get vaccinated because President Biden said to, meanwhile they themselves are vaccinated. The only ones riding the gravy train are the propagandists at the Fox tabloid.
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I am pretty sure you have no interest in actual real data and carefully conducted studies but, just in case, I would point you at this: COVID-19 Vaccination and Non–COVID-19 Mortality Risk [cdc.gov]. TLDNR summary: those who are vaccinated are less likely to die from all non-Covid causes than the unvaccinated.
It's the same with the flu vaccine. There are documented off-label benefits. Dying from heart disease is reduced by 50% (well a distribution - but stats is hard for some) in those who get the annual flu vaccine. I have no chance of finding the paper I originally read now, but here's a meta I found with minor googling: https://heart.bmj.com/content/... [bmj.com].
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Earth's oceans contain about 1.8 ug of vanadium per liter. Its a tiny trace. But if you multiply out by the total size of the ocean, it works out to 2.34 billion tonnes (Google calculator with ocean volume of 1.3 billion cubic kilometers plucked from a plausible source).
Propaganda glass half full: a mind-blowing amount of untrustworthy piss water.
Propaganda glass half empty: way too much trustworthy vanadium after all.
Given the problem, they're doing a reasonable job of hid
Re: Good. (Score:5, Informative)
Getting "sick" is not considered an "adverse" effect. It's an expected side-effect of the vaccine, completely normal and harmless. Just having spike protein inside you wouldn't really be a problem at the level that the vaccine produces them. Your body might just ignore it. The vaccine manufacturers add adjuvants [cdc.gov] to the vaccines which are more or less deliberately designed to make you sick. That means your immune system reacts more strongly to the vaccine and builds protection.
An "adverse" reaction, in the terms the vaccine people are talking about is something different and unplanned.
Wide gammut of outcomes (Score:5, Informative)
A respiratory virus can't be at the time very deadly and spreads worldwide. People need to be healthy enough to contaminate others.
This would have been correct for a virus which cause nearly always the exact same outcome.
That's indeed the case of, e.g., Ebola, which has a tendency to insta-kill its victim way too fast before having had any opportunity to spread.
BUT!
SARS-CoV-2 has a peculiarity that it cause a very wide gammut of possible outcome.
All the way between asymptomatic carriers (roughly estimated to 20% of cases) that will spread it without even knowing,
then paucisymptomatic (a sub-part of the remaining ~40% unwitting spreaders) that will never realise that their light cold was actually COVID-19,
all the way up to people who will die (roughly ~.5%) and other who will spend an extremely long time in the hospital and/or have rather terrible sequelae for an extended period of time.
That's the reason why this virus is being so successful at wrecking havoc on our civilization: it's able to both spread invisibly AND cause very severe forms of COVID-19 depending on who caugh it.
For a slightly different historical example of another virus that can both spread invisibly and kill, look at HIV: it's a virus that takes quite some time until the victim eventually develops AIDS, during which time it can spread silently with nobody knowing (at least not until properly tested). And once AIDS develops, the usual course of the disease used to be certain death (and still is in those part of the world that don't have access to proper treatments).
The only reason it didn't successfully wipe human civilisation back then is because it spreads through some circumstances which, althrough relatively frequent (sex) aren't as common and frequent as merely breathing (as SARS-CoV-2 does).
An airborn AIDS (or coronavirus that is deadly in 100% of cases, but only after a long delay) would have been civilisation-wiping.
This covid nightmare accounted for 2% of France hospitalization in 2020...
You forgot to mention that these were hospital admission.
Thus you're putting in the same basket extremely benign cases (e.g.: accident that just need a few stichtes and are done), vs. COVID-19 cases which tend to spent a lot of time in the hospital including unusually long periods in the ICU.
If you counted days spent in the hospital suddenly the proportion of covid would be much larger.
In addition your number is an aggregate over the whole year (which will "smooth out" the number). In reality all this admission are concentrated in very short bursts that happen during waves - thus when they happen, they suddenly represent a giant on rush of work for the hospital.
An aspect of COVID-19 handling in hospitals that yearly number do not convey.
Re:Wide gammut of outcomes (Score:5, Interesting)
An airborn AIDS (or coronavirus that is deadly in 100% of cases, but only after a long delay) would have been civilisation-wiping.
It is very sobering to realize that there already is a known Ebolavirus that can spread through the air efficiently - RESTV (Reston virus). As luck has it, it is the only one of the five known Ebolaviridae that does not kill people, though it does infect them, but there is no known reason why a lethal virus could not pull off the same trick.
The movie Contagion does a very good job of depicting what a Coronavirus that spread as easily as SARS-CoV-2 but was 30% lethal like the MERS Coronavirus would do to civilization.
It is quite possible that something like this will emerge someday. Maybe tomorrow. We need to be very ready. Readier than we were this time.
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Well, the good news is, we are more ready with wish methods for sequencing and RNA vaccine designs that are basically modular.
The bad news is, we are less ready than ever to actually deal with future virus pandemics because it's literally become a "rah rah" call to die of COVID and stick it to the "other guys."
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You presumably also believe that the 1918-1919 influenza epidemic that most of us believe killed 50 million people worldwide, was another hoax. I wonder what you believe was the cause of around five million excess deaths in India between mid 2000 and today. Perhaps, you think all those people overwhelming Indian hospitals were dying from some kind of psychosomatic illness?
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The new official covid deaths number for Italy is around ~3000.
This is a misinformation that has been spreading on Facebook and Instagram [apnews.com]. You can check the current Italy death count here [arcgis.com] on Italy's official COVID dashboard. It currently stands at 133,775.
The source of this was a report showing that 2.9% of deaths in Italy were among people who had *zero* identifiable risk factors. Since these risk factors are very common, this says that roughly 4000 (you can round down to 3000 if you like) *extremely healthy* people died from COVID in Italy. Just to put that in perspective, 42% of Americans are technically obese, which excludes them from that category; 47% of Americans have at least mildly elevated blood pressure.
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To the extent that the GP is "obeying", he is doing so because he's logical and numerate. Not because he's blind.
Re:Good. (Score:5, Insightful)
All vaccines are "gene therapies" in the sense that they encourage the immune system to produce an immune response that protects against specific pathogens. However, I assume you have been convinced by some of the absurd propaganda against mRNA vaccines, a tiny number (albeit probably the most effective) of the over 100 Covid-19 vaccines that have been tested and deployed to some extent. If you do not want to take an mRNA vaccines, by all means use one of the vaccines based on older manufacturing techniques that have been widely used for many decades.
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I can't wait until private hospitals in the US also start turning away unvaccinated people to save their bottom line.
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Rather, it seems like an unprecedented business opportunity. Even more so because a decent proportion of the sick will survive with injuries requiring ongoing treatment. It's funny how people go on about big pharma having a perverse incentive to keep them sick, and also champion for-profit medical care.
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Vaccine hesitancy is unfortunately quite common among the better off. By country, its highest in the richest nations.
Anyway, for-profit healthcare providers are already accustomed to turning away or giving basic service to some poor people as the cost of doing business. There are lots of unvaccinated middle class types to milk.
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Funny that they also tend to be the ones screaming loudest for drug abuse treatment instead of punishment.
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The provider because they get more money, the insurer because without high medical cost less people would be insured.
This is why in most parts of the world insurance is mandatory or included in the taxes.
This because both the health care provider and the insurer want medical cost to be high.
So - see above - health care is "at cost".
To me medical insurance doesn't work it breaks the market.
There is no market for health care. Health care is a fundamental right.
Also once you have insurance you no longer care
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They're saying that socialized medicine is only available for those who take vaccine.
In America socialized medicine is not available to anyone at all irrespective of wether you take the vaccine or not.
In both countries you can opt out of taking the vaccine, and in both countries you will have to pay for your own medical treatment if you become sick as a result.
No one is killing anyone, they are offering free medical treatment in exchange for taking a vaccine. You can still refuse the offer.
Medical care _ALW
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The USA is working on a gun-based vaccine in order to make vaccination more acceptable to Americans.
We have air hypo guns for vaccinations, we only use them on active military though, who by the way have given up their right to refuse medication or even know what it is. They can actually refuse it in at least most cases, but then they get a Dishonorable Discharge.
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Seems you're correct, thank you. I did find though that one Jet Injector is still in use [pharmajet.com] for flu vaccinations.
Looks like the hypo jets were vulnerable to factors causing cross-contamination, they could spread hep for example
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So we're gonna deliver it akin to how we vaccinate the animals in the zoo?
Kinda fitting.
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Would be an effective way to disperse out-of-control antivax protests - just send some people out with tranquilizer guns filled with vaccines. They'll back off immediately ;)
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Do you know the rates of myocarditis and vascular injury from SARS-CoV2 infection?
Hint: They're significantly higher than the rates of myocarditis and vascular injury from the COVID vaccines.
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Please provide the numbers and the citations to the credible scientific publications in which they appear that support your insinuations. This "asking questions" to insinuate a lie is pure BS. Put up or shut up.
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No need, regular guns will work fine.
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Those post apocalyptic rednecks had better hope they stay healthy; something like 98% of medical doctors are vaccinated.
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I'm vaccinated. My 3g reception still sucks and 5g is nonexistent. I was ripped off.
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Lesser of two evils (Score:4, Interesting)
Can't find anything wrong with such measures. Even in a crisis on this scale, societies are still stopping short of forcing the vaccination directly, which is a good thing. It remains a choice, but the choice is fast becoming very expensive. There is no silver bullet here, but this still strikes me as the lesser of two evils.
Austria is going down a comparable path and has now imposed a lockdown for unvaccinated people [theguardian.com].
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Singapore already has dual track restrictions for both the vaccinated and unvaccinated for a while now.
And from end of this month, the difference in Singapore, in terms of activities you can get involved in, will be even more higher.
They are slowly allowing the vaccinated to do more and more things, while the unvaccinated have more restrictions imposed on them.
I think it was just a few weeks ago that the news came out that unvaccinated will have to do more covid tests (depending on the industry) and the emp
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All choices come with consequences. All societies structure choices for the greater good of the society. If you don't like your society, find another one.
(And dictatorships are not societies. The members of the society aren't making the rules.)
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Nope. What is actually happening is that alternate protection measures need to be required on them. Because they would otherwise kill others, both by infecting them (unvaccinated, vaccinated with immune-response issues) and by taking away needed ICU space. That cannot be allowed beyond a certain level in a society with human rights and the rule of law.
Yes, people like you have zero regard for human rights.
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Your rights end where they start to interfere with the rights of others. When you drive drunk and become a threat to other drivers, you lose the right to drive. When you spread COVID (knowingly or not) because you refuse vaccination, you become a threat to others, and should lose the access to public resources where that interferes with the freedom of others.
Children have been required to receive vaccinations in order to attend mandatory public education for decades. This is no different.
That's a bit out of line (Score:2)
Just don't treat any Covid related diseases. After all, according to them it's just akin to the flu, or it doesn't exist altogether.
That should take pressure off the intensive care units and it would increase the average IQ of the population in the long run, eliminating the people needing those soon-to-be eliminated low-qualification jobs too.
Re: That's a bit out of line (Score:5, Insightful)
Millions per decade, not per year.
Re: That's a bit out of line (Score:5, Interesting)
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Where do millions die every year of the flu? In the US, it's like 15-50k a year. Out of about 2.5 to 3 millions. Sorry if I'm not taking something that's responsible for less than 1% of the deaths too serious.
In countries with a vaccination rate of around 60-70%, you see about 25% of the hospitalized patients being vaccinated. I don't know about you, but to me this seems like it does work. If it doesn't, we'd expect 60-70% of the patients to be vaccinated, Or, in other words, 1/3 of the population are respo
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I guess you haven't heard of the millions of deaths each year due to the common flu
No, we haven't, because there aren't "millions" of deaths each year [nih.gov] from the flu across the globe.
If the vaccine is working, why are there still just as much hospital admissions as before,
Because people aren't getting vaccinated. Duh.
in most countries it's 50/50 or even more vaccinated now.
Bullshit. Those hospitalized AND are vaccinated are roughly 10% of all ICU hospitalizations related to covid. And of those, nearly all
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Since you don't have a functioning brain, we can just take your heart as a replacement.
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How will we treat vaccine injury of the heart?
May I suggest a cootie-shot?
Hey, if you make up diseases, I get to make up a cure.
Republicans will soon be following suit (Score:3)
The Draft (Score:3, Insightful)
A generation ago people were drafted to fight in a war in the U.S..
Now people are concerned about government overreach for requiring a free, potentially life-saving vaccination.
We've turned into a bunch of wimps.
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And the ones engaging in high risk leisure activity.
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So much for that whole "Health care is a human right!" from the Everything Should Be Free crowd.
Re:Makes sense (Score:4, Informative)
For systems with socialized health care people who hurt their health by willfully making bad choices have always been a problem. That's one of the reasons why there are taxes on sales of tobacco and spirits. In some places there's even a "fat tax" on foods that are deemed fattening.
That way people who engage in such a lifestyle excessively are partially footing the health bills through increased taxes on their behaviour.
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Free health care isn't free. Though you hear that little bit of equivocation fallacy quite often around the ignoramuses here.
And yes, in other places a lot of people feel that it's unfair if everyone gets the same regardless of how sensible or reckless they behave. Hence they've have started to levy taxes on 'vices' that are believed to lead to increased medical costs down the line. Billions around the world live in such systems and understand that. Yet s
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Already applies to alcohol and drug users, or perhaps you didn't realize you are not insured when in an accident while under influence.
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That's not how my insurance policy reads. But once again, an example of what personal choice allows. Nothing is stopping you from getting that silly policy and saving a few pennies a month at the risk of being bankrupt because you didn't read what 'influence' meant before using that binaca mouthspray
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Is not exercising a contagious disease?
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Please have someone stuff a rusty fork up your nose until you can't feel anything anymore.
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Sure why not, just like oil companies should be paying for the pollution they cause, people that make unhealthy choices should pay for that as well.
Re: This is fine (Score:2)
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Many insurance providers will already increase your premiums if you engage in risky activities.
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Exactly. How many insurers don't ask if you smoke or do drugs when you change policies? Zero?
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You seem to be deeply unhappy. Suicide is the only cure.
And if generally poor health was over-stuffing hospitals and clinics, maybe there would be movement in that direction. But COVID-19 is not even 2 years old yet, but has already overburdened many healthcare systems around the world.
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There are many people who would rather be right than do right.
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You had me hopeful for a moment there that saner heads were prevailing, but this article only refers to cost sharing, meaning that up until this article, insurance companies were covering the out of pocket expenses as well, and now many no longer are. However, if you're staying in an ICU for 30 days, your out of pocket might be something like $1500 of a bill exceeding $30k. I think the US is rapidly coming to the point where insurance companies will be allowed to not cover the costs in their entirety, and
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"A couple of dozen news shots of parents crying over their children dying of COVID on the pavement in front of ERs because they don't have the money to get them treated (tragic as that would be) will bring anyone with a single working brain cell in their heads into the vaccinated column."
Of course, this wouldn't actually happen. Forgetting the fact that children are the last likely to die from a Covid infection, there are various charitable organizations would likely step in and help with the medical bills
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However, if you're staying in an ICU for 30 days, your out of pocket might be something like $1500 of a bill exceeding $30k.
I'm pretty sure you're off on the total bill by at least one order of magnitude, probably two.
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But covid is now covered in the same way as everything else. Now not covering covid at all as Singapore is doing would be interesting.
Err, no. That is exactly what Singapore is now doing. Treating covid "the same way as everything else" for unvaccinated patients.
Which means they have to pay some out of pocket, from their medical savings plans, and from insurance. Insurance only covers a part of the bills in Singapore, which helps keep costs down.
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Please provide names and locations for all individuals mentioned so your claims can be verified.
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It's already a defensible position, an easy one at that.
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You seem to be less intelligent than a puddle of dog shit.
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Nobody is denying unvaccinated people health care anywhere that I have heard of. They are making them pay higher prices for it, and are now beginning to give them lower priority for limited health care resources (as has always been done with organ transplants, for example). They may also be denied access to various optional social benefits (like entering workplaces or restaurants) where their "personal responsibility for their own health" risks exposing others and keeping a pandemic that imposes costs on ev
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