Austria Expected to Impose Lockdown Only On the Unvaccinated (cnbc.com) 287
"Austria is expected to impose lockdown restrictions on millions of unvaccinated people in the coming days," reports CNBC:
Chancellor Alexander Schallenberg told a press conference Friday that his government wanted to give the "green light" to such measures by Sunday, Austria Press Agency reported. Lawmakers will meet over the weekend to discuss the move, according to the news agency.
The chancellor rejected the notion of a nationwide lockdown being applied to all of Austria's citizens, telling reporters on Friday that the two-thirds of the population who had accepted the immunization would not be forced to show "solidarity" with the unvaccinated. However, he did caution that there may be some tightening of other restrictions.
Schallenberg said last month that if Covid-19 cases continued to rise, unvaccinated people would face new lockdown restrictions in line with the government's incremental plan. That strategy would place unvaccinated people under lockdown once coronavirus patients occupy 30% of ICU beds in hospitals.
Covid patients currently take up 20% of ICU beds in Austria, according to Reuters, and that level is rising fast.
On Thursday Schallenberg had said that he didn't see "why two-thirds should lose their freedom because one-third is dithering."
Meanwhile, the Associated Press reports that starting Monday the country of Latvia will ban unvaccinated lawmakers from attending in-person and remote parliament meetings. "Their wages also will be suspended if they are not able to work at the parliament."
The chancellor rejected the notion of a nationwide lockdown being applied to all of Austria's citizens, telling reporters on Friday that the two-thirds of the population who had accepted the immunization would not be forced to show "solidarity" with the unvaccinated. However, he did caution that there may be some tightening of other restrictions.
Schallenberg said last month that if Covid-19 cases continued to rise, unvaccinated people would face new lockdown restrictions in line with the government's incremental plan. That strategy would place unvaccinated people under lockdown once coronavirus patients occupy 30% of ICU beds in hospitals.
Covid patients currently take up 20% of ICU beds in Austria, according to Reuters, and that level is rising fast.
On Thursday Schallenberg had said that he didn't see "why two-thirds should lose their freedom because one-third is dithering."
Meanwhile, the Associated Press reports that starting Monday the country of Latvia will ban unvaccinated lawmakers from attending in-person and remote parliament meetings. "Their wages also will be suspended if they are not able to work at the parliament."
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That's a big undertaking. Best to pool resources with a big and well-resourced neighbor. I hear Germany might have a problem too. Perhaps they might combine their efforts in some way...
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Germany and Austria are actually handling the pandemic in very different ways. I'm a German living in Austria. What I see here and what my friends and family tell me from back home are quite different things.
For example, Germany discontinued free Covid tests some time ago. Here in Austria I can still go to one of the many test centres, many pharmacies, doctors and other locations to get a free test whenever I want.
The same is true with lockdowns. In the 1st wave, Austria locked down much earlier than German
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For reference: https://www.statista.com/stati... [statista.com]
Given that the rate of testing is a lot higher in Austria (about 11million per 1million population) compared to Germany (only 900k per 1million pop) I think they're still managing the situation a bit better. This shouldn't be surprised, given that the population is just a but over a 10th of that of Germany, but still.
Lockdowns are warranted if the people I know personally
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Vaccination rates in Germany are also not exemplary.
In Austria they vary by region. The most conservative and religious areas also have the lowest vaccination rates, and incident numbers of 1200 (today morning).
Lockdowns are warranted if the people I know personally in the medical fields are to believed.
I completely agree. In fact, I think except for the 1st one, the lockdowns haven't been serious. People were still around everywhere. I know of dozens of events, private parties, etc. that happened during the 2nd and 3rd lockdown - and I'm an expat here, so if I hear about them, the natives probably
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In the German language regions we have what we call 2G lock rules. Yes, I know, stupid choice of name (while there are no 5G rules there are also 3G rules), but that's how German verbs in Perfect tense work, all of them (that I'm aware of) start with a "g".
2G stands for Geimpt or Genesen, which means vaccinated or recovered. And the important takeaway where is that people who
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Why lock down the voluntarily unvaccinated?
So they don't spread their disease to the INvoluntarily unvaccinated.
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I'm sure the parents of the kids who have died from COVID will be comforted ever so much to know that the risk was lower than adults and that their sacrifice has allowed a bunch of mouth breathing troglodytes to avoid a 30 second medical treatment they could have gotten along with their week's groceries.
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My guess is: both.
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(2) people with VERY rare medical conditions, maybe one in 10000 people
You might want to re-check that.
A friend of mine just lived through cancer chemotherapy. When he asked his doctor about Corona vaccination, the answer was basically: A vaccination tells your immune system about the disease. You don't have an immune system. You can get vaccinated all you want, won't make a difference.
Cancer is not exactly a very rare medical condition. here's a study I could find quickly [jamanetwork.com] that indicates about 3% of the population may be immunosuppressed at any given time.
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Hey you low IQ piece of pig shit, here's another category of unvaccinated: those with natural immunity from prior infection with COVID-19.
They are treated like vaccinated people everywhere I know.
Where I live, the current regime is called "2G" because both "vaccinated" and "recovered" in the local language begin with a G.
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It happened that I was just discussing Covid immunity with my doctor last week. The latest findings, according to her, are that immunity from getting Covid decays in about three months, while two-dose Pfizer or Moderna mRNA vaccine decays in about eight months. Immunity from having Covid plus full vaccination lasts at least a year.
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But a decision of such a large ethical magnitude can't be made on more or less a 'whim' (even though it seems to be warranted). It'll have to go through the slow process of government and perhaps multiple referenda.
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A lot of nurses feel like that, too. A nurse I know confessed to me that she feels guilty that whenever someone unvaccinated comes in and gets put on a ventilator, and he begs to be vaccinated, she started to enjoy telling him that it's too late for that.
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Are you high? Or drunk? Why the fuck should they blame anyone but the fucking idiots? These people could have avoided it and deliberately went out of their way to not do so.
Personally, I'd simply let them die. Clean up the gene pool now that we get this perfect chance.
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Seriously, if you have nothing better than a Twitter feed as a source... I dunno if you know, but any moron can write any crap there. I could write that I'm the second coming of Jesus and it would stay on there.
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And a Twitter posting is hard to fake?
Dude, seriously, your logic... it has room for improvement.
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You're ignoring the statistic and instead choose to nitpick. Good job lowbrain. Go fuck yourself.
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For a respiratory virus that doesn't really survive on surfaces? And even if it did, who goes around sniffing surfaces?
Parent was talking about an ambulance. You know, a vehicle which transports people too ill or seriously wounded to take a taxi? The very same people whom you really, really don't want to catch one more virus because they have more than enough going on already? Even if the chance is small, you want to make sure, because the situation inside an ambulance regularily is life-or-death.
Wow, some small hospitals are working as designed?
Ah, you're one of the guys who "optimize" company workforces by firing people until everyone is busy all the time and there's no spare capacity left to handle emergencies or surges in orders?
Hospitals are NOT designed to be working at capacity. They are designed to ALWAYS have some spare capacity for the emergency cases coming in. Because some of the people arriving literally need medical attention RIGHT NOW or they will die. The thing you see in computer games, where the clock is ticking on a downed character and you have X seconds to revive him or he'll die and respawn? That's real, minus the respawning. You do NOT want your healer 100% busy, or he'll have no spare capacity for your revival.
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In the 1st wave, Austria locked down much earlier than Germany, and got through it much better as a result.
Austria: 104k cases/mil, 1.3k deaths/mil
Germany: 59k cases/mil, 1.2k deaths/mil
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I was speaking about the 1st wave. It's right there, the first words you quoted. I then went on to say that they've since fucked it. So your point is? Supporting my statement with numbers? Thank you.
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The problem I see is that we've already been promised so many solutions that never quite fixed the situation. How can we be certain that Austria's idea will be the final solution?
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Hey, at least no work is involved on their part.
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" so they can be better managed, maybe a camp of some kind. Does Austria have anything like that?"
No, the Austrian-in-charge built them in Poland and Germany, they had a thousand of them, so not so 'central'.
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They imported something like that from Germany a while ago, and for a time it looked promising, but somehow the idea didn't really pick up steam.
In the end, most of it was vaporware.
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Maybe nearby Poland can warm up its camps from WWII.
Just make it manatoryyyyy (Score:3, Interesting)
Holy shit the hoops everyone is jumping through. We have the same situation here - cases are through the roof and above the previous peak. While the deaths are always lagging, it seems like they'll be much lower thankfully, but still, hospitals are filling up regardless.
It's bizarre that we have to go through this (see also the Latvian measures) instead of makign it mandatory like a bunch of other vaccines. Or wearing clothes. Or paying taxes. But no it's your personal choice except you aren't allowed to go outside unless you get it.
Re:Just make it manatoryyyyy (Score:5, Insightful)
Wearing clothes is your personal choice, unless of course you want to go outside.
Even paying taxes is a personal choice to some degree. Earn less than the allowance, don't pay tax. That's an approximation of 'don't go outside'.
That said, people who don't get vaxxed without valid medical reason are idiots.
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mRNA is a delivery mechanism.
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That doesn't men you don't test it properly before doing mass human distribution.
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There's no reason society should put up with morons like you increasing the risk to everyone else because of your delusional magic
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Vaccines have indeed had adverse affects weeks and months later, due not to their payload but rather other ingredients or cultures in which grown.
Perhaps you should read carefully. He wrote: The Pfizer vaccine [which is an mRNA vaccine] is fully approved now, no more "experimental". There's no plausible mechanism by which a side effect could be common
So: there is no plausible way an mRNA vaccine can have a side effect. If there is one, then it must be in storage liquid. mRNA vaccines are not grown in cult
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We have the same situation here
Where is "here"?
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An adjacent European country.
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Holy shit the hoops everyone is jumping through. We have the same situation here - cases are through the roof and above the previous peak. While the deaths are always lagging, it seems like they'll be much lower thankfully, but still, hospitals are filling up regardless.
It's bizarre that we have to go through this (see also the Latvian measures) instead of makign it mandatory like a bunch of other vaccines. Or wearing clothes. Or paying taxes. But no it's your personal choice except you aren't allowed to go outside unless you get it.
What does mandatory actually mean? That the government keeps a registry and fines / arrests / forcibly injects people who don't get it?
Generally mandatory works as "in order to do X you must do Y", in this case "in order to go outside you must get vaccinated", so it sounds about as close to mandatory as you can get.
More generally I think it's a question of framing, in Alberta we have a fantastically incompetent Premier, however, I think he accidentally stumbled into a good framing when instead of a "vaccine
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It's bizarre that we have to go through this (see also the Latvian measures) instead of makign it mandatory like a bunch of other vaccines.
Except it's not mandatory for a bunch of other vaccines. The lack of some vaccines impose restrictions on the unvaccinated (just as in the case being discussed here, but no vaccine itself is mandatory.
Re:Just make it manatoryyyyy (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah, forcibly inject everyone with a substance that they are prohibited from knowing the contents of for a genetically engineered common cold that everyone already has immunity to. Enjoy your ADE, and I hope that you die of CJD or a pulmonary embolism.
You mean like all these medicines [imgur.com] being forcibly injected into you which you are prohibited from knowing the contents?
hope that you die of CJD or a pulmonary embolism.
You mean like people who get covid dying from pulmonary embolisms [acc.org]?
Re:Just make it manatoryyyyy (Score:5, Informative)
Hospitals are always functioning near their stated capacity.
Because their stated capacity is a floating value. Not a hard number.
Bullshit. Hospitals have a finite number of ICU beds. When they get overcapacity because people aren't getting vaccinated (the only reason hosptiasl are at and over capacity) they have to then spend money to set up temporary accomodations, move people out of non-ICU rooms and convert the room, etc. That does not mean the number of ICU beds is a floating value. It's a response to find something, anything, to care for covidiots.
It's a billing thing.
Yes, nothing like hospital personnel working 7 days a week for months on end running up the costs, burning out and then quitting, or in thousands of cases dying [go.com], just so hospitals can bill more.
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When they get overcapacity because people aren't getting vaccinated (the only reason hosptiasl are at and over capacity)
Actually in my (relatively highly vaccinated) area, the hospitals are near capacity with people who are very sick, not with covid, but with other conditions that would have been much easier to treat if they had been detected earlier. Taking a year where everyone was strongly discouraged from leaving their house in general and utilizing medical resources in particular is going to have a massive toll in the long run. Now that we have better data on how the disease spreads and the relative costs and effects of
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Yeah, I think a potential uptick in less-serious diseases in the longer term is a risk worth taking to avoid the certainty of tens to hundreds of thousands of deaths and an even more vast number of long-term debilitating medical conditions. Lockdowns are indeed bad - but the alternatives were definitely a lot worse.
It's reasonable to complain about the negative effects of decisions like this, but you do need to balance that against the most likely alternatives. Imagine those early death rates of 5%+ applied
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I'm not sure you can characterize "fatal if caught late" as less serious. Covid is bad, but it's far from the only thing that can get you. No measure is zero-cost, and no measure should be treated as such.
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Sorry?
Please note "all these hospitals" that are over-capacity.
They couldn't have left faster? (Score:2)
Big pharma trolls with modpoints are out in droves today. My wife and her colleagues quit over the mandate at her hospital. That's why they're quitting, you mouth-breathing retard.
They quit over providing healthcare to people around them. Good riddance.
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Just get vaccinated, you'll be happier. It's better than DMT, believe me.
Re:Just make it manatoryyyyy (Score:5, Informative)
You might want to know that in Austria, universal, public healthcare is a thing. Nobody gives a fuck about billing in hospitals.
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It's a billing thing.
This is Austria. I know it's easy to confuse with America, they both start with A.
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It would be the scientific discovery of the afternoon, rivaled only by what would happen if we suddenly find a way to prove god exists.
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Vaccination does not appear to have a major impact on the number of cases, but it does dramatically lower the amount of hospitalizations if you are not too old. .. could have been better.
Unfortunately vaccines are less effective for those who have the biggest chance to end up in hospital.
So the benefit of vaccines is pretty good but
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Austria has a vaccination rate of roughly 65%. At the same time, the share of vaccinated people in hospitals is around 20-25%. So yes, it does have a considerable impact. Mostly on the severity of the case. Possibly also on infection chances, I don't have numbers for that available.
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It's also worth noting that the average age of those vaccinated is higher than the general population. These older and higher risk people would be over represented in hospital admissions. So if the vaccination isn't useful we should expect to see vaccinated people over represented due to their age range.
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Bollox.
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The official mortality tables for the US lists Covid by now as the number 3 cause of deaths, only eclipsed by heart diseases and cancer. Considering that people go into hospitals for all sorts of diseases, most of them not life threatening, I'd dare say that I'm more concerned about the chance of croaking from some shit rather than whether or not I gotta spend time in a hospital.
Simple solution (Score:5, Funny)
For those who still think the vaccine is some nefarious plot, follow these instructions [imgur.com]. That'll show 'em.
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The problem with so many not vaccinated people is: the virus happily mutates into new variations. And it could happen that they get a different spike protein. If that happens even the vaccinated people will be affected.
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Sigh (Score:4, Interesting)
With this planet-wide "perhaps we could-should-might do this or that" we'd never would have gotten rid of smallpox, only mandatory vax enforced by the law did that
The Antivaxxer even had their own newspapers 100 years ago.
Didn't help them either.
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Have you ever actually been in a hospital? They already have these issues taken care of.
I had a stay in one about a year ago. They tested me for Covid before admitting me and selected a ward for me based on the result of the test.
The room had its own air handling unit, connected directly to outside air. It wasn't running because I was in a non-Covid ward.
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Polio, pertussis, measles, diptheria, mumps....
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I think everyone who can get vaccinated should get vaccinated. The problem is there are genuine medical exemptions, and doctors are often way behind on them so won't issue them.
If this happens then it needs to be backed up by a programme to sort this out.
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Just to be clear, I agree, fuck those guys.
It's just that I know from my own experience what a nightmare it is getting medical professionals to even acknowledge that there might be issues. A great part of that reluctance is the "done their own research" idiots they deal with day in day out.
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Always look on the bright side of life (Score:5, Insightful)
We won't get through to the loonies who'd rather believe some state actor on YouTube, Twitter and Reddit than an actual expert, so we can as well make the best of it. As long as these idiots keep getting infected and croak, my government will keep recommending that I should stay in my home office and work from there, which means less stress for me, less hassle, and most of all, less human interaction. And since these dumb fucks also die from it, less humans to boot.
What's not to like?
If I didn't already feel so much contempt for these dimwits, I could even be thankful that they risk and often even lose their life, just so my life is a bit more comfy.
Allow unvaccinated to become immune ASAP (Score:2)
I don't wish them any ill will either, maybe Regeneron can cut down on deaths/hospitalizations. Florida is now at low case rate and boomers were smart enough to get shots and take other precautions to not die. As for young idiots, let them experience the consequences of their choices.
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If idiots don't get vaccinated, a lot of cases will still end up in the hospital. And then dead.
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You statements are just plane wrong.
Studies have shown the viral load in breakthrough vaccinated people are just as high as those in un-vaccinated:
https://www.medrxiv.org/conten... [medrxiv.org]
https://www.npr.org/sections/c... [npr.org]
So breakthrough cases are just as likely to spread COVID as unaccinated.
And with efficacy rates dropping bellow 50% (as low as 30% in some studies or even 3% for the Jansen) after 6 months the likelihood of breakthroughs is only increasing:
https://www.thelancet.com/acti... [thelancet.com]
https://www.medrxiv.org/co [medrxiv.org]
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And when the number of cases will they finally admit that (1) vaccination does not prevent infection
Sure it does - somewhere between 60% to 90% effectively, depending on the vaccine, virus variant, and the study in question. There's lots of information about this online from credible sources.
This is why its important to bring the overall numbers down. The vaccine helps, but it's not 100% effective. Some percent of vaccinated people will still get sick, and unfortunately, a few will get very sick.
There are also some other benefits to reducing overall numbers. Perhaps the most important is that fewer infections means the virus has fewer chances to mutate into more dangerous forms. Other benefits include reduced overall health care costs and burdens.
Re:That's fine (Score:5, Interesting)
1) vaccination greatly reduces the probability of infection. Nothing prevents 100%. In Austria (I live there) the vast majority of hospital cases are unvaccinated.
2) intensive beds in Austria are being taken up by Covid patients. The healthcare system is nearing its limits. This DOES NOT JUST AFFECT COVID PATIENTS. It means someone coming into the emergency room after an accident or with a heart attack or some other immediate attention matter may not have an intensive care bed available to him, may have to be driven to a different hospital, may be subject to triage. People with problems ENTIRELY UNRELATED to Covid MAY DIE as a result of unvaccinated fucktards clogging up the healthcare system.
The metric that the government uses to decide upon this lockdown question is not the number of infections, but the number of intensive care beds filled with Covid patients. It is absolutely the right metric. I don't agree with the government on many things, it's not my government and I didn't vote for them (I'm an expat here) but in this I entirely agree.
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As I said: I live in the country TFA is about. I could sign up for a 3rd shot right now, online. I could also drive about 20 min. to a large vaccination centre where you can show up without appointment and will get your shot.
Thus more and more vaccinated will be presenting with severe symptom
The facts do not support your statement at this time. The most recent numbers indicate about 25% of intensive care patients are vaccinated. About 65% of the total population is vaccinated. I will assume anyone reading /. is familiar with the rule of proportion, so you can do the math yo
Re:That's fine (Score:5, Interesting)
That's why you lockdown the unvaccinated. The vaccinated end up in hospital at something like 1/40th of the rate, so you can afford a lot more of them infected than the unvaccinated.
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As soon as you admit that 1) was not the goal, and a 90-ish percentage effective vaccine is sufficient, and for 2) you admit the existence of long-term damage from COVID, even without hospitalization.
'Course that would require you admit you're an idiot listening to other idiots. So not gonna happen, and we'll have to do more lockdowns because of it.
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(1) Looking at data from US and Israel, the number (per capita) of infections in vaccinated is about 15-20% that of the rate in vaccinated people. It does make a difference; it's just not an absolute preventative.
(2) This is true, but the rate of hospitalization is ALSO going up in certain European countries. Thus the renewed measures. It may be better to just deny the unvaccinated access to care and let them sink or swim at home, but this won't happen in a socialized medical system.
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Nice try idiot, but most European countries don't care about infection rate, they are solely looking at hospitalisations and are focused on ensuring that the medical system isn't overwhelmed with morons.
You cannot solve a problem when you focus on the wrong metric.
You can't pick a metric until you even get on the same page as the problem other's are solving. But I'm glad internet warriors like you exist, god knows the actual trained epidemiologists who are advising countries the world over would be soooo lost without your genius to guide them /s.
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You forgot to mention, that the relatively moderate number of Covid-19 deaths only came about, because severe measures including but not limited to lock downs were taken against the spread of Covid-19 throughout the last 20 months, whereas nothing in kind was done against the spread of influenza.
But all this has been argued over and over again, and you probably know it ....
Re:Moving goal posts (Score:5, Insightful)
> It's easy to get banned from Twitter, Reddit and Facebook, and even the government is considering clamping down on vaccine-sceptic speech.
Because it's bullshit and morons who buy into it are killing people. Nobody posting vaccine skepticism on those sites has anything like the credentials required to intelligently argue the points, never mind be a curator of someone else's points.
I wouldn't care - I'm burned out on caring about self-harming mouth-breathers - except that those morons are hurting a lot of non-morons with their stupidity.
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Because it's bullshit and morons who buy into it are killing people. Nobody posting vaccine skepticism on those sites has anything like the credentials required to intelligently argue the points, never mind be a curator of someone else's points.
It's even worse really in that the "people" that generate a lot of the traffic aren't actually true believers themselves. Many are paid trolls and businesses that sell the "alternatives". So they're not just misinformed but possibly well-intentioned, they are literally lying for the sake of money.
Re:Moving goal posts (Score:5, Insightful)
However the censorship from mass media is something I've never seen before. It's easy to get banned from Twitter, Reddit and Facebook, and even the government is considering clamping down on vaccine-sceptic speech.
Because it isn't "vaccine-sceptic" any more than the conspiracy theory about the moon landing being a hoax is "NASA-sceptic" - it's complete bullshit, entirely made-up, doesn't survive even the most superficial inspection and in this case actively murders people.
The ACTUAL vaccine-sceptic discussions happen among the experts in the field, the doctos, the various agencies around the world responsible for the necessary permits, etc.
The crapola you see on social media is just trolls trolling around.
Re:Moving goal posts (Score:5, Insightful)
What about my freedom? Your argument is akin to someone demanding he should have the freedom to drink and drive.
Your freedom ends where your behaviour becomes a threat to the people around you.
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A vaccine is not a panacea. It will increase my chances to not get infeccted, and it increases my chances to have weaker symptoms in case I get it, but it's not a guarantee against either.
You are just a selfish bastard who doesn't give a fuck about anyone else.
But that's ok. You see, so am I. I am using the idiots like you to enjoy my continued home office, because as long as idiots like you get sick and die in droves from the virus, my country keeps me in my comfy home office. Basically all you do is get s
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Wait, I thought it was the vaccine's job to protect you?
You are thinking too small.
The reason decision makers are worried about hospital ICU beds isn't that someone who decided not to get vaccinated may come in, not get a bed, and die. I think after almost two years of the pandemic, we're all more or less ok with that.
The problem is that someone may come in from an accident, or with an unreleated disease, or even with Covid-19 but the person couldn't get vaccinated for medical reasons (about 3% of the population are immunosuppressed at any given time). That THIS
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There's MASSIVE conflict of interest because the pharmaceutical companies obviously want to get rich,
Which is why they can't just bring any shit to market they can cook up cheaply, but need approval based on several levels of studies done under controlled circumstances.
Oh, I'm the first to agree that there's quite a bit wrong with the pharma companies and a profit-oriented approach towards health and medicine. But as they say: Anyone who fantasizes about a global conspiracy has never tried to throw a surprise birthday party and get a dozen people to not blabber it out.
You're barely better than the anti-vaxxers who think all vaccines are evil.
I am better than those. They are idiot
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We're at the point where foreign state actors are actively spreading misinformation in a (successful, I may add) attempt to destabilized countries that would otherwise easily shake off the whole pandemic.
Re:Fuck off Australia (Score:5, Funny)
[Title of post is: "Fuck off Australia"]
And all you idiots who appear to think that the vaccine is a magic solution to totally iradicate the virus.
It's Austria, not Australia. Also, the word eradicate is not spelled "iradicate". Good luck in your future endeavors, OneSmartFellow.
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I mean, I chose my name deliberately as a sarcastic quip, but what's his excuse?
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