Did Trump's Truth Social Network Skirt US Securities Law? (nytimes.com) 158
To fund the Truth social network, former U.S. president Trump merged it with a special purpose acquisition company (or "SPAC"), reports the New York Times. "The result is that Mr. Trump — largely shut out of the mainstream financial industry because of his history of bankruptcies and loan defaults — secured nearly $300 million in funding for his new business."
But there may be a hitch: To get his deal done, Mr. Trump ventured into an unregulated and sometimes shadowy corner of Wall Street, working with an unlikely cast of characters: the former "Apprentice" contestants, a small Chinese investment firm and a little-known Miami banker named Patrick Orlando. Mr. Orlando had been discussing a deal with Mr. Trump since at least March, according to people familiar with the talks and a confidential investor presentation reviewed by The New York Times.
That was well before his SPAC, Digital World Acquisition, made its debut on the Nasdaq stock exchange last month. In doing so, Mr. Orlando's SPAC may have skirted securities laws and stock exchange rules, lawyers said... SPACs aren't supposed to have a merger planned at the time of their I.P.O. Lawyers and industry officials said that talks between Mr. Orlando and Mr. Trump or their associates consequently could draw scrutiny from the Securities and Exchange Commission.
Another issue is that Digital World's securities filings repeatedly stated that the company and its executives had not engaged in any "substantive discussions, directly or indirectly," with a target company — even though Mr. Orlando had been in discussions with Mr. Trump. Given the politically fraught nature of a deal with Mr. Trump, securities lawyers said that Digital World's lack of disclosure about those conversations could be considered an omission of "material information."
The Times adds that Trump had previously even discussed merging Trump Media with a smaller SPAC created with help from the same Shanghai-based investment bank — which "specialized in helping Chinese companies list on U.S. stock exchanges."
But there may be a hitch: To get his deal done, Mr. Trump ventured into an unregulated and sometimes shadowy corner of Wall Street, working with an unlikely cast of characters: the former "Apprentice" contestants, a small Chinese investment firm and a little-known Miami banker named Patrick Orlando. Mr. Orlando had been discussing a deal with Mr. Trump since at least March, according to people familiar with the talks and a confidential investor presentation reviewed by The New York Times.
That was well before his SPAC, Digital World Acquisition, made its debut on the Nasdaq stock exchange last month. In doing so, Mr. Orlando's SPAC may have skirted securities laws and stock exchange rules, lawyers said... SPACs aren't supposed to have a merger planned at the time of their I.P.O. Lawyers and industry officials said that talks between Mr. Orlando and Mr. Trump or their associates consequently could draw scrutiny from the Securities and Exchange Commission.
Another issue is that Digital World's securities filings repeatedly stated that the company and its executives had not engaged in any "substantive discussions, directly or indirectly," with a target company — even though Mr. Orlando had been in discussions with Mr. Trump. Given the politically fraught nature of a deal with Mr. Trump, securities lawyers said that Digital World's lack of disclosure about those conversations could be considered an omission of "material information."
The Times adds that Trump had previously even discussed merging Trump Media with a smaller SPAC created with help from the same Shanghai-based investment bank — which "specialized in helping Chinese companies list on U.S. stock exchanges."
Why anyone loans this man money is a mystery (Score:4, Insightful)
How desperate do you have to be, as a banker, to want to loan money to some guy who has a reputation for bankruptcies, defaulting on loans, and then suing his creditors? Never mind that, just from what little we know about his finances, he's up to his giant bald spot in debt. All he has going for him is a flock of idiots who don't seem to mind being fleeced time and time again, but the American public is fickle and sooner or later they'll grow tired of Trump and move on to someone else. Then what happens? It also probably wouldn't take much arm twisting from the current administration of the Chinese government to get them to pressure the Chinese backers to pull out of the deal. Even if Trump manages to win in 2024, all the Chinese government needs to do is wait him out for four years, unless the next time around he actually succeeds in a coup of the government.
Re:Why anyone loans this man money is a mystery (Score:5, Interesting)
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I get that interest rates on credit cards can be outrageous. And there should definitely be more regulation in that regard. But how do you figure that borrowing money... or anything, really... and not giving it back is "a game to steal from the middle class?" To my mind, "borrowing" something and not giving it back is theft on the part of the "borrower", not the lender.
Yeah... shit happens. And there should be a safety net to catch good, honest people; and give them a hand so they don't hit rock bottom.
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Borrowing money without the intention to pay it back IS a moral failure, it is not merely described as such by banks. These "economic elites" you speak of are immoral people, not merely people playing "a game". And yes, there are "real long term effects", just not by your measure (because you are a moral failure for not understanding what you speak of).
If everyone participated in the system as you describe, there would be no system. It only exists because most people understand the difference between rig
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"How desperate do you have to be, as a banker, to want to loan money..."
Not desperate at all. Think of it as "a legal bribe". A way to get Trump to tell people, "Hey, this guy gives me money so he'll give you money as well."
What the actual interest or "favors" wanted in return is anyone's guess.
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How desperate do you have to be, as a banker, to want to loan money to some guy who has a reputation for bankruptcies, defaulting on loans, and then suing his creditors? Never mind that, just from what little we know about his finances, he's up to his giant bald spot in debt.
It depends on the terms of the loan. If they offered the terms I suspect they did then they will have done everything to mitigate the risk that DJT represents. And on top of that get interest that nobody who is not desperate is willing to pay.
In spite of everything DJT still has massive assets left. If he liquidated everything and paid off all debt he would still have 0.5B to 1.0B of "liquid" and that can be quite appealing to a bank that has excessive capital on the books and wants to charge stupendo
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> Fun fact: I read today that Forbes figured out that
> had DJT followed the advice of ethics advisors and
> divested himself of all his businesses when he
> entered office and put that capital into ordinary
> investment funds he would have $4.5B more than he
> has today.
Here's one better: If he'd taken the money that daddy gifted him and simply dropped it into an index fund like the S&P 500 instead of playing pretend businessman; he'd have another $10B on top of that:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertai... [yahoo.com]
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I keep getting the feeling Trump and cryptocurrency would be a perfect fit. If anyone could bring Bitcoin down, he'd be the one.
In the 80s and 90s (Score:2)
Ironically the only reason Trump wasn't thrown into the poor house in the early 2000s is that those old money idiots let him keep some cash in the hopes t
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Look at what he did last time around. The stupid trade war, trying to claim the Chinese government created covid, being completely unpredictable and randomly deciding he's not going to honor some deal he agreed to previously...
Sure, Trump and Trump-like candidates lower America's standing on the world stage, and China's happy to fill the void left behind, but the thing China values most is stability. America is China's biggest customer for cheap electronics and other crap, so there's a strong incentive to h
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Stability? Have you seen the messes that have been happening in China?
Re: Why anyone loans this man money is a mystery (Score:3)
Actually you are both wrong. China is hardly a mess and the only thing you see from China is what America wants you to see which is why the inverse is true too. Both countries have propaganda the only difference is Americans don't know they brainwashed. Just look at half the comments on this thread.
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It's mostly pride of all the development China has seen under it's current government. It's also in part respect of sacrifice much like many ceremonies that occur in the US which also seem to have a lot of flags. Finally, it's a reminder, especially in minority heavy regions, that the unity of China is paramount under communism. You will scuff at the first two but the third one will make you blow your gasket probably because you know nothing about Chinese minorities or are aware of the fact that there are m
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And what is up with all those flags everywhere? Scared of suddenly forgetting in what country you are in?
Hehe, exactly the question I asked my students in Kenai Alaska and yes, they answered it was pride.
So as an example I pointed them to a building with 20-30 American flags some 10-15 mi. out of town, now there was silence...
Yes it was a whorehouse.
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You mean, like the pledge of allegiance? Or all the American history we learn which is relatively devoid of the heinous acts Americans have committed such as our acts against the natives in germ warfare and many more, our acts against Japanese and other Asians during WW2, and the lasting impact of wars in the Asian sphere and middle east with discussions regarding motives (most of which is Muslims or communists should never be in power).
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Correct. Most Chinese people know there is propaganda, they know there are censors, and they know where they can communicate openly without worry.
As an American, I always thought Chinese were brainwashed and now living in China, it seems clear the other way around. You will commonly see an average Chinese person understand America. A simple way to do this is to ask a Chinese person about what's better in America and they can answer. Ask the same to an American and they will look dumb-founded. Same goes for
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Sounds like you are talking about Chinese people? They know perfectly well what happens in their daily life and are not easily fooled about these things (and they are happy about what they see by and large, just like Americans). The thing being discussed is about how each approaches the other and in this regard, both are subject to propaganda and brainwashing. The fact that most information about America is fairly censored, leads the Chinese to shrug it off. In America they simply don't care either, so when
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And here lays the issue: If you want to poison someone, you have to feed him, so he takes the poison without noticing it. If you want to brainwash people, you have to mix education with poison. All brainwashing goes together with a wealth of information, some true, some not easily
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America has the greatest propaganda engine ever in Hollywood and they don't even notice it. Combined with the government propaganda, starting in kindergarten (what kind of fucked up country forces kids to do a pledge of allegiance?) leaves Americans blindly brain washed.
As one of the USSR's leaders, IIRC, said, the difference between American and Soviet propaganda is the Soviets knew it was propaganda, unlike the Americans who honestly believed their propaganda as truth.
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You might like or dislike Trump but the analyses in the article could from a Chinese point be right.
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Look at what he did last time around. The stupid trade war, trying to claim the Chinese government created covid, being completely unpredictable and randomly deciding he's not going to honor some deal he agreed to previously...
What he did? Trump couldn't even understand the daily security briefings that were deliberately kept short & simple for him with lots of pictures. Do you think they actually let him decide foreign policy? All they had to do was give him the impression that foreign policy was his idea. Trump was no more than a zoo monkey throwing his shit at people who passed by his cage.
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I wouldn't exactly call Biden mentally stable [welovetrump.com] either.
Wow! That was a source not worth using. Absolutely ZERO value from that souce, just someone ranting about how "unstable" someone else is based on a three word quote from a speech. Congratulations, you outdid yourself in finding and quoting a meaningless source. Now that we have hit rock bottom in the art of quoting, we can only go up!
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Covid is one of the things screwing up the supply chain. How the fuck is the vaccine mandate doing it? How does a vaccine mandate close a Nike factory in Vietnam? People getting sick, people dying, that's part of the reason for the supply chain problems. It's highly doubtful that the vaccine mandates effect it at all. However, people getting the vaccine is one of the things that might help us all get is back to normal. Whatever normal is nowadays.
Re:Why anyone loans this man money is a mystery (Score:4, Informative)
You're not reading enough right-wing media to understand the bizarro-world they live in. Over in that strange place, the vaccine is treated with suspicion. There is a concern - a valid concern - that a significent number of the remaining vaccinated employees are so strongly opposed to the vaccine that they would rather leave their jobs than accept even a free vaccination. It's enough of a worry that various industry bodies are lobbying for the vaccine mandate to be suspended until after the Christmas shopping season.
Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/2... [cnbc.com]
There is a difference in how sites report the story depending upon their political leaning, of course. For example, the right-wing American Family Association news story is headlined "How the White House will steal Christmas" and opens with the paragraph "The Grinch may have stiff competition in President Biden. Retailers, industry leaders and labor groups aren't sending their requests to the North Pole -- they are sending them to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, asking the president to push pause on the deadline for workers to comply with the COVID vaccine mandate, which has been set for December 8."
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This is exactly why Slashdot has automatically inserted the domain on links for a long time. It used to be prevention of goatse clicks, but it's also useful to know if some cited source is worth even clicking on.
That domain does not meet the standards of meriting a click - it's very obviously dogshit and I won't even waste the few kilobytes of bandwidth necessary to load it and confirm.
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Wow, how trash does information have to be that you can't even find a Twitter feed about it and have to go for the blatant bottom of the barrel?
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What exactly did trump do to end democracy?
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You don't even know what a write off is.
But seriously, Seinfeld jokes aside, you clearly don't. A write-off isn't just a refund of money that you lost. A write-off just means that you don't pay taxes on that money. If your tax rate is 20%, and you lose a dollar on an investment, you don't get $1 back from the government. You merely don't have to pay them 20 cents for that dollar. But you are still 80 cents worse off than you would have been had you not had to write it off.
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That's before you whine about the one dollar loss and get a dollar of bailouts.
It seems to be planned for go-live soon (Score:2)
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Doubt it, it will most likely be dud. Right wingnuts talking to each other will bore themselves to tears because there won't be any "libs" to own. Teenagers will have field day spamming the site. Remember the first rule of the former alleged president: he destroys everything he touches.
He'll fleece his "backers". They'll lose their "investments". Then he'll sue them for causing him to "lose" money, they sue him back for breach of contracts. He'll go shoot his mouth off about how it was all a big conspiracy to harm him. It will end like all his business efforts in a haze of lawsuits and loud noises.
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Re:It seems to be planned for go-live soon (Score:5, Insightful)
It's purpose is independent of the discussion about it's credibility. It is part of the same psychological warfare that Trump's thousands of lies were designed to win. To destroy people's understanding of what facts are and the civil structures of knowledge and authority and replace them with the cult of an authoritarian dictator. Humans are susceptible to superstition and fear, the Republicans have replaced policies with superstition and fear because even they know their policies are no longer credible to voters. The narrative of politics is now about which team you support and how much you hate and fear the other team. Some traditional warfare is still being engaged in such as McConnell's blocking of any legislation that might help the population, the successful attempt to discredit modern medicine and extend the Covid epidemic, Manchin and Sinema's likely bribed positions that have gutted the infrastructure bill. The main attack though is to create as much fear and hatred as possible through unsubstantiated lies about the current government. Trump Social is just another minor outlet for this propaganda war.
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If I had mod points, I would mod this to the stratosphere.
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Fact: right wing leaders in the US, in concert with Fox News and friends, have decided that encouraging more deaths and discrediting the Biden administration is their preferred political strategy.
And you're here supporting that goal. Why?
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>You should be able to research the claims yourself. Does your search engine fail to find this [newsrescue.com]? Maybe you need to use a new search engine.
No numbers on how many people got Ivermectin. No numbers on how the recoveries where counted. Lots of positivity but not more than a corrolation between Ivermectin use and national Covid numbers. Links mention more than 4 clinical trials started by april 2021. No results reported.
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So when this deal gets overturned and his social media company vanishes, all the blame will be on the evil government who won't let an honest small family business like Trump's get ahead. Then the protests start against the SEC and Wall Street, and he'll ask for donations and it'll all pile up again.
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It is part of the same psychological warfare that Trump's thousands of lies were designed to win. To destroy people's understanding of what facts are and the civil structures of knowledge and authority and replace them with the cult of an authoritarian dictator.
This only works because the people who, for whatever their reasons, want those lies to be true and want to be a part of that "truth".
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Well, so far it's been called out for violating the GPL, someone managed to sign themselves up as Donald Trump, and the entity that's raising the funding faces credible accusations of fraud. All before Trump could pull the first post from his ass.
What are they going to call posts on that site anyway, "fart", "squeaker", "bottom burp"?
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What are they going to call posts on that site anyway, "fart", "squeaker", "bottom burp"?
Actually, from a few articles I read, they plan on calling them "Truths" (or some derivative). Also, from Truth Social [wikipedia.org]:
The company applied for trademarks on the name "Truth Social" and other terms including "truthing", "retruth", and "post a truth".
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and "post a truth“
I believe there is an extra “a” in that quote.
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How about "brarts" from "brain farts"? Or maybe twist it against Asians as "blarts"?
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I'll probably be camp 3. The ones that go "meh", roll their eyes and finally ignore it.
It's one of those things where the discussion about it is more entertaining than the thing itself. Much like a lot of recent movies.
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I think it will run into the same problem that every 'alternative' social media platform has. The problem that means Bitchute's front page for a non-logged-in browser currently carries a video titled "Ted Gunderson: FRANKLIN COVER-UP/FINDERS CULT ARE CIA/FBI/CPS INTERNATIONAL CHILD TRAFFICKING OPS"
People want to use the major social networks, because that's where the action is - it's where you get views, and it's where your friends are. Most of the people who go to the smaller, alternative networks are doin
Thus does Trump serve his role (Score:5, Interesting)
Trump exists because he infects his opponents with a virus of fatal attraction. Like the tar-baby of Uncle Remus, the more they attack him, the more entangled they become. They think they're defeating him, but in reality he is wasting their time, energy, and money.
Exhibit 1 is the Virginia election. McAuliffe's fatal attraction to Trump has turned a safe win into a nail-biter.
failed logic. (Score:2)
Exhibit 1 is the Virginia election. McAuliffe's fatal attraction to Trump has turned a safe win into a nail-biter.
So you are saying the voters are picking authoritarian losers because they are tired of being told the other guy is an authoritarian loser?
yup, the voters are stupid.
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Actually, this is an excellent example of what I'm describing. You think that guilt by association works against Trump. But it manifestly doesn't; a whole lot of voters on the right have moved on past Trump, long ago.
Result? You wind up calling the very people you need to convince to vote for your team "dumb". Which gives them all the reason they need to vote for the other guy.
Step one here is literally to step back. Back off the TDS train, get onto the platform, and look around. People are looking for a di
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None of this makes the slightest sense.
"You think that guilt by association works against Trump."
It does, but only on those who have a negative view of Trump.
"But it manifestly doesn't; a whole lot of voters on the right have moved on past Trump, long ago."
No it does, and few Trump voters have "moved on past Trump", much less long ago.
"You wind up calling the very people you need to convince to vote for your team "dumb". Which gives them all the reason they need to vote for the other guy."
This is a very con
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The point is:
1) Trump is in the past.
2) People who cling to Trump are annoying.
3) If an R-team candidate doesn't cling to Trump (like Youngkin) and the D-team candidate does (like McAuliffe), then it gives the R-team an advantage.
That is the hypothesis, and Virginia is one piece of evidence in support of that hypothesis. Further elections may provide more evidence for or against.
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Result? You wind up calling the very people you need to convince to vote for your team "dumb". Which gives them all the reason they need to vote for the other guy.
Step one here is literally to step back. Back off the TDS train, get onto the platform, and look around. People are looking for a different candidate.
Yeah, again, failed logic.
being 5 years old and sticking your fingers in your ears because you dislike chocolate icecream and want vanilla only hurts YOU in the future.
So yes, they are the morons; and no I dont need some weird justification -- you obviously havent spent any time outside with actual people.
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Because Trump still has the GOP in thrall.
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Well, whose fault is this?
The GOP has been schmoozing up the religious nutjobs for decades now, and finally, someone comes along that is exactly like their god: A narcissistic, self-absorbed, antisocial diva.
Why is anyone surprised that they think they found their messiah?
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Could not be more true. Religion, with its grotesque hypocrisy, is an overwhelming component of this. The remarkable contradictions between the supposed Christian views of the "religious right" and their chosen leader is actually expected, not confounding. After all, religion is about power in the first place. This is why the US was founded as a secular country and why the religious extremists continually argue to the contrary.
There could be nothing more beneficial to our democracy that the complete rej
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I do not understand why seasons Democratic candidates can't just ignore the guy. Stop stepping the bear trap, kids.
Because voters aren't ignoring him either. If you ignore a propaganda war you may as well forfeit. Look at Brexit. The Remain side campaigned on "something will change and it will likely be worse than what we have". The Leave side campaigned on an endless string of the most hyperbolic lies and bullshit that didn't pass the slightest bit of muster, and with no counter to the propaganda there are people who voted for it now genuinely upset that they weren't told it would turn out this way.
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Yes, a very good point. But the way forward is to present something better, not just "not Trump". And in fact, that's exactly what Brexit offered, which is why the Remain side lost.
Positive always beats negative as a long-term strategy. Negative beats positive only in the short term.
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" But the way forward is to present something better, not just "not Trump". "
Bullshit. Trump doesn't "present something better" nor does his voter respond to such appeals. The way forward is an even more insistent "not Trump", not less. Trump's health could fail, he could be replaced by Elon Musk who is just as sociopathic but much smarter. The war is not over "better ideas", it is over corruption of power. Trumpism was defeated in 2020 by remarkably narrow margins and ONLY because of an amazingly stro
Re: Thus does Trump serve his role (Score:2)
What the GP has right is that Trump offered a message of hope. It was bullshit but it was positive. It is easier to sell that than uncomfortable truth. Remember when Obama won? Hope and Change. What was Clinton's message? Shit sandwich. It was honest, but voters don't reward honesty.
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But the way forward is to present something better, not just "not Trump".
To be fair, that exact strategy worked really well for Biden.
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Pure projection. Trump is not an imagined bogey-man from a corrupt party, he is a criminal that has taken control of a corrupt party. The Democrat's inability to cope with it is partly due to corruption of the system by the opposition party and partly due to all the remaining diversity in politics residing in their own party.
Also, just "ignoring the guy" is what led him to power. It is not a failure to ignore him that is the problem, ignoring him is the problem. The fact that you respond to that just in
Another to add to his list (Score:5, Informative)
Of failed entities. 17 failed companies, including his only publicly traded company which never turned a profit [forbes.com] while he personally ran the company [marketwatch.com].
If anyone thinks this time will be any different, they're just as stupid as those banks which kept lending him money.
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In this case a SPAC is a specialty financial tool that allows a firm to collect investments on an firm only listed on a major stock exchange, and can use the money to acquire a company that actual
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Securities (Score:5, Informative)
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Thank you.
Soon as I read TFA, realized that OP (or editor) didn't know the differences between "Securities" and "Security". And the difference is important.
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Does it matter? (Score:2)
It's not like anyone is willing to hold him accountable for anything, so who cares? Trump probably used his security clearance to dig up dirt on every other lawmaker and is literally untouchable.
Shut up (Score:5, Insightful)
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But he's still almost as entertaining as he was as figurehead.
Seriously, that man is a gift to anyone who wants to have a laugh at the idiocy of people.
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He is still de facto leader of the Republican party.
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Who was president 11 months ago?
SEC useless (Score:2)
Special addendum (Score:2, Insightful)
To Betteridge's Law of Headlines: when the question concerns Trump and the potential of his committing a crime, the answer is always yes.
Why is Slashdot so worried about this? (Score:4, Insightful)
Why is Slashdot so worried about it?
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Worried? That bozo is great entertainment.
But don't worry, we're laughing with him. Absolutely. For real.
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Why is Slashdot so worried about it?
Slashdot doesn't worry about anything. Slashdot is a news aggregator that spits out stories of interest and it has a long history of running stories on financial fraud and OSS violations in the tech sector.
Replace Truth with any other social media site and the story would still be here.
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You seem to have missed the TDS grift that virtually the entire media has engaged in for the last five years.
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Again with the projection. It is amazing how certain people can only project onto others what they practice themselves.
The "entire media" engaging in their business is not "grift", it is literally their business. "grift" is swindling, you know, what your heroes engage in.
Say it isn't so (Score:2)
"Did Trump's Truth Social Network Skirt US Securities Law?"
Oh, heaven forbid. That's unpossible!
Patrick Orlando? (Score:2)
That is the best porn actor name I've heard in a long time.
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Truther's heads will explode... (Score:2, Insightful)
The real truth is 6uild, 6ack, 6etter is going to make america better again, only -100X more, not fewer. Everybody needs to pay their fair share, particularly those making more than $400K or having more than $600 in the bank, to ensure nobody is disenfranchised, especially the poor and the needy. We must never let children go hungry, be forced to wear clothes for a gender they do not self identify with, and we must give every man, woman and child the chance to get jabbed so that they can be secure COVID wil
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In all fairness, I'm fairly sure Trump doesn't care where the money comes from, he's probably take funding from the Taliban at this point.
I'm just waiting for him to take money from the mob, stiff them as he usually does and then, well, that should be the end of it.