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White House May Work With Carriers To Screen Anti-Vax Messages (tmonews.com) 267

According to Politico, "Biden allied groups, including the Democratic National Committee, are [...] planning to engage fact-checkers more aggressively and work with SMS carriers to dispel misinformation about vaccines that is sent over social media and text messages." The White House is also planning to work with social media platforms and traditional media outlets to combat misinformation and ultimately improve vaccination rates. TmoNews reports: The White House could ask carriers like T-Mobile, Verizon, and AT&T to step in and stop the spread of these text messages. This is one way they hope they will be able to get their vaccination message across better and eliminate misinterpretation. There is no word yet on whether or not the White House has reached out to these carriers to help them screen anti-vax messages. But if it does, it will be interesting to see how this will be acted upon and which tools would be used. Then again, it could open a can of worms with potential issues that would violate customer privacy and an individual's right to free speech. "We are steadfastly committed to keeping politics out of the effort to get every American vaccinated so that we can save lives and help our economy further recover," White House spokesperson Kevin Munoz said. "When we see deliberate efforts to spread misinformation, we view that as an impediment to the country's public health and will not shy away from calling that out."
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White House May Work With Carriers To Screen Anti-Vax Messages

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  • Thank goodness (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 14, 2021 @09:02PM (#61583547)

    I had felt myself starting to text unapproved thoughts to my friends. Fortunately now, the cognitive and business elites will step in and save me from myself, preventing me from spreading my unapproved and possibly criminal thoughts. I don't deserve their kind beneficence, but I am grateful for it.

    • by shaitand ( 626655 ) on Wednesday July 14, 2021 @11:56PM (#61583787) Journal
      Have no fear dissident. No doubt your family and friends will heed the call of the Biden FBI and report you before your disloyalty can spread.

      https://twitter.com/FBI/status/1414192827026878465
      • by flyingfsck ( 986395 ) on Thursday July 15, 2021 @01:25AM (#61583873)
        No worries, Covid Derangement Syndrome (CDS) can be treated successfully with psychic driving recordings of Kamala's laughter.
    • Doubleplusgood, comrade. Doubleplusgood! Finally, we can start to identify these deviant thought criminals. Much better than dealing with decades of politicians & the media eroding people's trust in science & experts.
      • Doubleplusgood, comrade. Doubleplusgood! Finally, we can start to identify these deviant thought criminals. Much better than dealing with decades of politicians & the media eroding people's trust in science & experts.

        Exactly. Can't have people citing the law [cnn.com] and getting away with it. We need to muzzle those deviant thought criminals.

      • Re: Thank goodness (Score:5, Insightful)

        by rtb61 ( 674572 ) on Thursday July 15, 2021 @07:47AM (#61584479) Homepage

        it's like the Gestapo never existed. The ism makes little difference, it is the empowered police state that creates concentration camps and starts torturing and killing people. The most likely source of gross abuse of the public is monarchy, then the police state. Communism, capitalism, socialism, makes little difference, that is just branding on top of autocracy and a violent police state, that likes, I seriously mean that, they enjoy torturing and killing people, it is their nature.

        Monitoring and censoring text messages, that is real stasi stuff https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] the US government is looking more and more East German by the week.

        Go on you anal retentive control freaks, just go martial law already and imprisoning any one who opposes, clearly that is the goal in the US. Make a naught text message and enjoy a 90 enhanced interrogation education. No more naughty texts from you.

    • Re:Thank goodness (Score:4, Informative)

      by jbengt ( 874751 ) on Thursday July 15, 2021 @10:47AM (#61585047)
      From TFA:

      There is no word yet on whether or not the White House has reached out to these carriers to help them screen anti-vax messages. But if it does, it will be interesting to see . . .

      Someone beat me to it, but TFA and TFS are just sensationalist FUD.

  • by Beryllium Sphere(tm) ( 193358 ) on Wednesday July 14, 2021 @09:04PM (#61583549) Journal

    From the fine article, "There is no word yet on whether or not the White House has reached out to these carriers to help them screen anti-vax messages."

    You can ask Facebook to throttle toxic bullshit because they're not a common carrier. The phone companies are. If you pay your bill and don't threaten the health of the network, they can't refuse service.

    • If you pay your bill and don't threaten the health of the network, they can't refuse service.

      Maybe they won't refuse service. Maybe they'll inject some type of fact check message along with the SMS that is sent like a carrier was found doing for ads [slashdot.org]

    • and don't threaten the health

      I see what you did there...

    • You are assuming that we live in a law based world order. Not the case. Tell me when was the last time you have heard any of our esteemed leaders say "law based world order"? I can make it easier for you - the last time this happened was 20+ years ago. We live in a "rule based world order" which is different. It may seem the same until you remember that it also includes "my game - my rules".
  • I remember back in the day, when to screen something, meant to show it, like on TV or in the cinema.

    • If by "back in the day" you mean "recently", sure. Before movie and television screens, though, there were these definitions [dictionary.com]:

      verb (used with object)
      to shelter, protect, or conceal with or as if with a screen.
      to select, reject, consider, or group (people, objects, ideas, etc.) by examining systematically

    • "Screen" is an autoantonym, meaning to show something or to block something. Some other examples:
      https://www.lovethesat.com/aut... [lovethesat.com]

    • Re:Screen? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by ahodgson ( 74077 ) on Wednesday July 14, 2021 @10:10PM (#61583661)

      I remember back in the day, when lefties believed in free speech.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        They've done such a good job at breaking the educational system that there are fewer and fewer people around that actually remember when that was the case. Alternative viewpoints? No, that's too threatening. Can't have our snowflake populace questioning authority. Let's just edit that out before it gets around or better yet, just not allow them to speak in the first place. Easy peasy.

      • I remember back in the day, when lefties believed in free speech.

        That was before the Left captured the Government — captured so well [baltimoresun.com], even an elected President couldn't dislodge them.

        Now, logically, their stance has changed. Whether they know it or not, they are following the path of their past leaders:

        The bourgeoisie (all over the world) is still very much stronger than we are. To place in its hands yet another weapon like freedom of political organisation (= freedom of the press, for the press is t

    • Since the OED dates the meaning in question ("to examine or search (data or an article) for any content of particular relevance or interest") back to 1956 at least, you must be pretty old, then.
  • by JoeRandomHacker ( 983775 ) on Wednesday July 14, 2021 @09:06PM (#61583553)

    His lips move. Of course he doesn't want politics (or actual science, for that matter) to disrupt the propaganda campaign.

  • by dmomo ( 256005 ) on Wednesday July 14, 2021 @09:06PM (#61583555)

    This smells of someone trying to invent a story, say it COULD happen, and then spin it as if it IS happening. Click bait? Propaganda? I am not sure. Nowhere in the article does it say the White House is even CONSIDERING this... just that they "COULD".

    The summary:
    "Biden allied groups, including the Democratic National Committee, are [...] planning to engage fact-checkers more aggressively and work with SMS carriers to dispel misinformation about vaccines"

    The actual source material (note the CAPS):
    "The White House COULD ask carriers like T-Mobile, Verizon, and AT&T to step in and stop the spread of these text messages. This is one way they hope they will be able to get their vaccination message across better and eliminate misinterpretation. "

    "THERE IS NO WORD YET ON WHETHER THE WHITE HOUSE HAS REACHED OUT to these carriers to help them screen anti-vax messages"

    This article needs to be pulled as it's a non-story bordering on hoax.

    • by Frank Burly ( 4247955 ) on Wednesday July 14, 2021 @09:19PM (#61583571)

      Yeah. courts would slap down any attempt by the Biden administration to permit (let alone require) that common carriers refuse to carry certain messages based on the content of those messages.

      To me a more plausible use of the SMS system would be to pimp the hell out of vaccines by telling people how many people around them have contracted Covid in the last week, and how many have died, and what percentage were vaccinated. Truthfully, I don't even know if he has the power to do that--but at least that made-up story wouldn't be illegal on its face.

      • And will the courts tell TN to obey its own laws, or will they continue to muzzle, figuratively and literally, their own health dept from letting minors know they can get vaccinated by law without a parent's permission? Me thinks they will keep muzzling. Why would you kill your own kids?
    • by e3m4n ( 947977 ) on Wednesday July 14, 2021 @09:43PM (#61583621)
      I agree, framed in that context its another example of major news outlets being just as guilty of fake news or nearly fake news. There is no legal means to do what the article suggests. We are talking 5th amendment violations of epic proportions here. Forget META data, this would be absolute, complete, wiretapping of national proportions.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      This smells of someone trying to invent a story, say it COULD happen, and then spin it as if it IS happening. Click bait? Propaganda? I am not sure. Nowhere in the article does it say the White House is even CONSIDERING this... just that they "COULD".

      The summary: "Biden allied groups, including the Democratic National Committee, are [...] planning to engage fact-checkers more aggressively and work with SMS carriers to dispel misinformation about vaccines"

      The actual source material (note the CAPS): "The White House COULD ask carriers like T-Mobile, Verizon, and AT&T to step in and stop the spread of these text messages. This is one way they hope they will be able to get their vaccination message across better and eliminate misinterpretation. "

      "THERE IS NO WORD YET ON WHETHER THE WHITE HOUSE HAS REACHED OUT to these carriers to help them screen anti-vax messages"

      This article needs to be pulled as it's a non-story bordering on hoax.

      Well, let's see. What's more believable at this point (based on incontrovertibly true things that have happened): that Democrats don't want to censor messages that they don't like ... or that they do?

      If it's a hoax, you have only yourselves to blame for anybody believing it.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        The authoritarian-rightist majority of the GOP feels it is entitled to everyone's megaphone. Everyone else agrees that the State shouldn't be compelling or forbidding speech.
      • by pjrc ( 134994 )

        Asking what is believable, rather than what is true, or what is supported by credible facts & evidence is what's gone so wrong with political discourse.

  • Comment removed (Score:5, Informative)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday July 14, 2021 @09:09PM (#61583559)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • Don't fight nature.
    • That's what Tennessee is doing [cbsnews.com]

    • Besides, as long as these morons prop the infection rates up, my boss lets me work from home.

      Idiots die and I can work in comfort. It's just so win-win, why fight that?

    • But you're okay with the federal government telling cell carriers to disclose to them the content of your text messages so that the government can argue with them? That violates at least three Amendments in the Bill of Rights.
  • by illaqueate ( 416118 ) on Wednesday July 14, 2021 @11:17PM (#61583739)

    Beyond a small subset whose belief hangs on facts about vaccines

    https://www.tandfonline.com/do... [tandfonline.com]

    Every time I've engaged someone about it they don't particularly care about the details - it just fits nicely into their anti-establishment beliefs about science, the government, the 1% etc. Putting those beliefs into question tends to engage cognitive dissonance about their self image as a "free thinker". It's possible to get movement but it requires extended engagement to cut through some of the self protective cliches.

  • The new ones (Nimitz, Eisenhower, Roosevelt, Lincoln) ?

    Or the oldies (Lexington, Saratoga, Enterprise, Yorktown, Shangri-La) ?

  • . . . .back in the 1990s, there were routines you could add to emails, and a signature block generator, that generated a list of keywords supposedly tracked by the ECHELON monitoring system.

    I suspect some wag will find a way to do something similar with SMS messages , and jam the systems through sheer bulk of messages to process . . . .

  • 1. Door-to-door public safety campaigns are not unusual. The UN and the US have done it in other countries. They've done campaigns here. They know who has gotten the vaccine, so they know who hasn't gotten the vaccine. This is not evil, it isn't Nazi, it isn't Apartheid, it isn't whatever those fearmongering bullshitter TPUSA and FOX are telling their victims.

    2. It *is* creepy for the government to intercept the body of common-carrier messages to monitor sentiments and send alternative messaging. In this particular case, the cause is just, but it crosses a boundary in my mind that shouldn't be crossed.

    See? One can be pro-public health and have some trust in institutions, AND be skeptical of government scanning of communications.

  • Look, I'm sure most of us hate it when some idiot posts an ascii swastika, but the filter is pure garbage.

    I can't post a link because there are hyphens between the words?

    Bullshit. Filter has to go.

  • It used to be illegal to dispense false medical info, in some cases a felony. Anti-vaxers shouldn't be exempt.

The unfacts, did we have them, are too imprecisely few to warrant our certitude.

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