Huawei CFO Says HSBC Emails Disprove Basis For US Extradition Claim (reuters.com) 48
AltMachine shares a report from Reuters: "Lawyers fighting the extradition of Huawei's chief financial officer to the United States on Tuesday presented internal emails from British bank HSBC that they said disproved U.S. claims that Huawei misled the bank," reports Reuters. "CFO Meng Wanzhou's legal team said the emails and documents submitted to a Canadian court showed at least two senior HSBC leaders were aware of connections between Huawei and its Iranian subsidiary, Skycom. Meng's lawyers are trying to add the documents to evidence. They are meant to counter U.S. charges that only junior employees of the British bank knew about the true nature of relationship between Huawei and Skycom. U.S. prosecutors have alleged that Meng misled HSBC about Huawei's business dealings in Iran and may have caused the bank to break U.S. sanctions."
Business dealings with Iran was not illegal under Canada laws as the sanction was not a UN resolution and had no legal basis internationally. The only way for the extradition to proceed would be to show Huawei misled HSBC which operates in the U.S. Amid intensifying US-China technology and economic rivalry, it is not the first time the U.S. law enforcement fabricating false accusation against Chinese or China-linked persons. Earlier in April, U.S. court trial reveals federal agents falsely accused a UT professor born in China of spying and three Congressmen are asking the Department of Justice Office of the Inspector General to "review whether the China Initiative puts untoward pressure on DOJ personnel to engage in racial or ethnic profiling." Federal agents falsely accused Hu of spying for China based solely on a Google search, testimony revealed. After Hu refused to work as a spy for the U.S. government, agents stalked and harassed him for more than two years, leading to the destruction of his reputation and internationally renowned career.
Business dealings with Iran was not illegal under Canada laws as the sanction was not a UN resolution and had no legal basis internationally. The only way for the extradition to proceed would be to show Huawei misled HSBC which operates in the U.S. Amid intensifying US-China technology and economic rivalry, it is not the first time the U.S. law enforcement fabricating false accusation against Chinese or China-linked persons. Earlier in April, U.S. court trial reveals federal agents falsely accused a UT professor born in China of spying and three Congressmen are asking the Department of Justice Office of the Inspector General to "review whether the China Initiative puts untoward pressure on DOJ personnel to engage in racial or ethnic profiling." Federal agents falsely accused Hu of spying for China based solely on a Google search, testimony revealed. After Hu refused to work as a spy for the U.S. government, agents stalked and harassed him for more than two years, leading to the destruction of his reputation and internationally renowned career.
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You are aware that when you lease a property, you are not the owner of that property, the owner is. You lease it and use it and leave at the end of the lease, the property always remains the property of the landlord, the owner.
Yeah, I know, where ever the British Monarchy set foot, they claimed as theirs as well as the people, who became slaves to the British empire or were genocided. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] yeah Hong Kong was British, right next to, Buckingham Palace it is and anyone who says ot
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Dictatorship validly owns nothing.
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Safer to move to china for the best professionals than it is to move to the US.
Oh, thanks, you just made my day. I needed a good depressed laugh. Source: EVERYONE I know who lives in Hong Kong who is thinking of moving from that benevolently ruled place.
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Your weird rant is not making the point you think it is.
Re: Yeah sure, I mean everyone knows (Score:1)
"an British"? I suspect you were going to write "an English"...
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HSBC is Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation
Not that they would ever do any evil or anything. I mean they're an "British" company.
I myself prefer a nice Credit Union.
As a British person, I appreciate my evil-doer reputation, but I live in the states and use a credit union.
Knowing and misleading are not the same thing (Score:3, Informative)
Re: Knowing and misleading are not the same thing (Score:1)
I disagree. Misleading requires that the person does not know they are being mislead, otherwise it is not leading at all, let alone misleading. Misleading is different to lying.
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Yeah, but the crux of the extradition hearing is supposed to be to check if the allegations are real allegations. If they're true or not is irrelevant. I doubt they'll succeed at adding this to evidence.
This is evidence they need to present to the US court.
And while what you say is true, it is worse than that, because HSBC is an organization. Obviously it is possible to mislead an organization, even if some employees know the truth about the matter. It is just a specious claim for them to say this proves it
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This is wrong.
The elements of criminal fraud requires that the hearer actually justifiably relies on the piece of information that happens to be false. If the hearer knows the statement is false, how can they justifiably rely on the piece of information? Therefore no fraud. HSBC can't state that their actions or any injury was due to the false statement because they knew that the statement was false but still did the action.
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The elements of criminal fraud requires that the hearer actually justifiably relies on the piece of information that happens to be false.
By that logic, I can say what I want while being questioned by law enforcement if they know everything I am telling them not to be true. I cannot be charged with lying to the police if they knew I was lying.
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No. We are talking about criminal fraud which causes an injury due to reliance on the information provided.
You are just talking about just "lying" in the common way of talking about lying to every day common people, not before the court of law. This is where you're making a mistake. Lying is just ONE element of fraud. For fraud, the speaker must be lying, and know that what they are saying is false. But the hearer MUST rely on what the speaker is saying to their detriment in order for the fraud to be c
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But what does the law say?
If the law says they had to notify in a specific way and they didn't then the US might have a case. If not then the fact that senior people are HSBC knew shifts the blame onto HSBC.
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For example I can say to my partner that I am not eating her ice cream while she is watching the surveillance footage of me eating her ice cream. Did I mislead her? Yes. Did she know? Yes.
No you did not mislead her, you lied to her. To mislead she would need to justifiably believe you have told her the truth. similarly HSBC can't have been mislead if they were aware of the truth.
Re:China Daily on Reuters (Score:4, Interesting)
Falsely accused former UTK associate professor Dr. Anming Hu of being a Chinese spy.
Falsely implicated him as an operative for the Chinese military in meetings with Hu’s bosses.
Used false information to put Hu on the federal no-fly list.
Spurred U.S. customs agents to seize Hu’s computer and phone and spread word throughout the international research community that Hu was poison.
Used false information to justify putting a team of agents to spy on Hu and his son, a freshman at UTK, for nearly two years.
Used false information to press Hu to become a spy for the U.S. government.
More examples abound about Huawei being involved in numerous, ongoing human rights abuses against Uighurs.
Really? I wonder why the US government is not trying to extradite the CFO of Huawei from Canada to answer those charges?
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Re: China Daily on Reuters (Score:1)
Not to mention that those "human rights abuses" are *far* from proven, and most claims have been largely debunked, if you care to actually consider the possibility that it's manufactured.
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We've seen what China did to Hong Kong and Tibet. That is bad enough.
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Wouldn't mentioning that be "whataboutism"? Or do you only call it that when someone else does it?
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Are you paid to be this stupid?
I can see no other reason for such sheer idiocy.
Your English is getting better, but still lacks the nuance of a native speaker.
And you are aware you're not actually successfully hiding behind the Anonymous Coward bit, right?
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He definitely gained a positive reputation (Score:1)
Dear author: The world is not all blind Murica vassal states.
Knowing that somebody refused to spy for the US despite massive harassment by that terror state is probably the biggest plus somebody could ever have for their reputation.
The USA is coming apart at the seams. It shows its true monstrous grimace, and it is just as evil as China's.
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This is stated about the world where people from all over the world, from those wonderful "countries that aren't vassals to US" are so desperate to come to immigrate to US, they are willing to go through places where they get raped and tortured with near 100% likelihood. Just for a chance to live in that "monstrous country" that is "just as evil as China".
For some reason, same is not true for China. At best, China is a transit point for North Koreans trying to get to South Korea. At worst, it's one of those
"Only junior employees" (Score:2)
If the junior employees know but the senior ones don't then the USA should be prosecuting HSBC for their incompetence rather than Meng Wanzhou.
Poor grammer (Score:1)