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Government Agencies Begin Investigating Robinhood, Reddit Over GameStop Stock (cnet.com) 84

An anonymous reader quotes a report from CNET: GameStop's stock price shot through the roof in late January thanks to traders on Reddit. Now at least two government agencies are reportedly investigating why it happened as well as what roles Reddit and trading app Robinhood played in the stock market craziness. The Department of Justice's fraud section and the San Francisco US attorney's office are seeking information about the trading frenzy from social media companies and trading platforms, according to a report Thursday from The Wall Street Journal. Prosecutors have reportedly subpoenaed information from Robinhood, where many of the trades happened. According to the Journal, Reddit is under investigation by the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) as well for its part in possible misconduct with traders at the subreddit r/WallStreetBets who spurred the buying spree of GameStop along with other "meme" stocks. Congress is already planning a hearing on Feb. 18 about the events. Rep. Maxine Waters, a Democrat from California, told Cheddar on Feb. 3 that her committee would hear from Reddit, GameStop, Robinhood and others involved.
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  • Lol (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 11, 2021 @10:32PM (#61054560)

    So the problem is retail investors buying stocks, not funds which are so overcommitted on shorts that they need a bailout to avoid crashing the economy when it goes bad. Got it.

    • Re: (Score:1, Insightful)

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      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Tough Love ( 215404 )

        Perhaps on the side of the rule of law. Market manipulation is illegal no matter who engages in it.

        • Re: (Score:1, Interesting)

          by Anonymous Coward

          Short selling itself is market manipulation.

        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

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        • Re:Lol (Score:5, Insightful)

          by ShanghaiBill ( 739463 ) on Friday February 12, 2021 @01:37AM (#61054830)

          Market manipulation is illegal no matter who engages in it.

          No it isn't. There plenty of legal ways to manipulate the market.

          For instance, it is not illegal to short a stock and then disseminate TRUE information about the company. Short sellers such as Muddy Waters [wikipedia.org] specialize in driving down stock prices.

          Nor is it illegal to disseminate TRUE information about naked shorting. Nor is it illegal to take advantage of that information.

          The only clearly illegal activity was the naked shorting itself, and that was done by the big hedge funds who are now trying to shift the blame onto others.

          • Good luck explaining your own private interpretation of this well defined [wikipedia.org] term to the SEC.

            • Good luck explaining your own private interpretation of this well defined [wikipedia.org] term to the SEC.

              The way OP describes it seems correct to me? You can read the key points about shorts on the SEC web here (the text is quite thorough): https://www.sec.gov/investor/p... [sec.gov]

              • Re:Lol (Score:5, Insightful)

                by Tough Love ( 215404 ) on Friday February 12, 2021 @02:49AM (#61054920)

                Missing your point. The topic was market manipulation (a well defined term and always illegal) and you divert to definition of short selling. Which in itself is perfectly legal. However, "it is prohibited for any person to engage in a series of transactions in order to create actual or apparent active trading in a security or to depress the price of a security for the purpose of inducing the purchase or sale of the security by others". Your own link.

                Market manipulation is always illegal. Simple concept, simple truth.

                • Market manipulation is always illegal. Simple concept, simple truth.

                  And a statement lacking any basis in law. If you were right there wouldn't be separate rules around specific ways that markets are manipulated. There are. The reality is there's many legal ways to manipulate all sorts of market be they financial of physical.

                  For example, the world's most manipulated market is the diamond market, where one major company buys up the stock and hordes it. This is market manipulation on the supply side and it is 100% legal.

                  There's only one way you can legitimately use the qualifi

                  • a statement lacking any basis in law

                    You're an idiot. [cornell.edu]

                    • Nope. You just don't know how to read. Either that or you think one of the paragraphs you quoted applied to redditors causing the price to drop, in which case you're talking about something you don't understand which is ironic since you're calling others idiots.

                    • The thing about the truly stupid is, they don't know they"re stupid.

                • Your conclusion is "Market manipulation is always illegal. Simple concept, simple truth." but the preceding paragraph does not justify that statement, period. Let's look at it:

                  The topic was market manipulation (a well defined term and always illegal) and you divert to definition of short selling. Which in itself is perfectly legal. However, "it is prohibited for any person to engage in a series of transactions in order to create actual or apparent active trading in a security or to depress the price of a security for the purpose of inducing the purchase or sale of the security by others".

                  What that says is that market manipulation by buying or selling stocks is illegal. It does not say that market manipulation by publishing facts is illegal. If you want to assert that, which is an entirely separate claim, then you need to show a law which covers that case, not this entirely different case.

                  • What that says is that market manipulation by buying or selling stocks is illegal. It does not say that market manipulation by publishing facts is illegal.

                    I suggest not relying purely on the Wikipedia definition, or a Slashdot post. Market manipulation by any means is illegal. Section 10b [cornell.edu] of the Securities Exchange Act spells it out: "It shall be unlawful for any person, directly or indirectly, by the use of any means or instrumentality of interstate commerce or of the mails, or of any facility of any national securities exchange ... to use or employ, in connection with the purchase or sale of any security registered on a national securities exchange or any s

          • Re:Lol (Score:5, Informative)

            by GlobalEcho ( 26240 ) on Friday February 12, 2021 @08:43AM (#61055560)

            The only clearly illegal activity was the naked shorting itself, and that was done by the big hedge funds who are now trying to shift the blame onto others.

            As we have seen explained here on Slashdot and elsewhere, 140% short does not necessarily imply 40% or more was shorted without locating a borrow.

            Happily, there is a way for us to know the actual amount of naked shorting happening for any US equity, including GME. One simply has to join the failure-to-deliver data set [sec.gov] available from the SEC with data on short interest.

            The FTD data from late January is not yet available, but with about 30MM shares short in early January, we were seeing nearly 0.5-1MM failures to deliver daily. In comparison, AON, with about the same number of shares shorted tended to have FTD numbers under 10000.

            It's hard to tell how many of those FTD truly were illegal naked shorts, since quite a few eventually get resolved. (Prime brokers do not look kindly on outstanding failures). Anyway, for what it is worth, it looks like illegal naked shorts were about 0-3% of float in early January. The upper end of that range is significant in comparison to other stocks, but I do not have a way to think about how important it could have been in terms of market dynamics. A steady-state 3% does not seem like it would artificially depress stock price terribly much.

            • Your post is so underrated. The one person in the thread who knows what the fuck they are talking about.

          • The only clearly illegal activity was the naked shorting itself

            Want to provide proof there was naked shorting? Short interest above 100% doesn't mean there was any naked shorting occurring. You can have infinite shorting without ever having to naked short.

        • Indeed. But you seem to be thinking that there was more than 1 side which engaged in market manipulation. That is wrong. Only the hedgefunds / traders manipulated the market. The retail investors simply bought stock thinking it would go up, kind of the fundamental reason you'd buy stock.

        • Not necessarily, that would make boycotts illegal. Hell, it would make most market participation illegal. For example, TSMC is going to manipulate the semiconductor market by opening new fabs. The supply curve will shift to the right, market prices will come down and competitors will have to adjust.
          • That is your own private definition of market manipulation. Securities law refers to "any manipulative or deceptive device or contrivance".

      • And the rest of congress is honest? Tell us what you really don't like about her. I wonder what it could be.
      • Re:Lol (Score:4, Interesting)

        by phalse phace ( 454635 ) on Thursday February 11, 2021 @11:26PM (#61054656)

        Retail investors don't pay bribes. Hedge funds do. It's a foregone conclusion whose side a money-grubbing scumbag like Maxine Waters would be on.

        -jcr

        Maxine Waters is a money-grubbing scumbag because she is "concerned about whether or not Robinhood restricted the trading because there was collusion between Robinhood and some of the hedge funds that were involved with this" [slashdot.org]?

        Seems she's trying to look out for the small investor to me

        • Re: (Score:1, Troll)

          by Lord Apathy ( 584315 )

          Seems she's trying to look out for the small investor to me

          Bull fucking Shit. The piece of shit Maxine Waters isn't looking out for anyone but her own ass. She has been named among the most corrupt in congress a number of times.

          https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org]

          • Sure, but not lately, and so have the rest of them. If you had to pick the most corrupt ones today I can't imagine not going with the ones who traded stocks on early covid info (Burr, Leoffler, etc)

            So what is it about Maxine that rustles conservative jimmies? What could it be, hmm...
            • No doubt. I'm just pointing out this particular sack of shit because its what the thread is about. I'm sure that other sack of shit, the one that looks like a turtle, smells just the same. Mich MacDonald?

              Problem with draining the swamp is Trump didn't scoop out the shit before he refilled it from the honey wagon. As some once said here.

        • Thatâ(TM)s why theyâ(TM)re investigating the Redditors for market manipulation. What they say they do is typically not what they actually do.

      • bribes or no bribes. Rather than focus on the money changing hands we should be focusing on how these people win. Mitch McConnell literally laughed when his opponent was discussing the death and misery caused by COVID and how he was doing fuck all to fix it, and he still won in a landslide.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Lord Apathy ( 584315 )

        Retail investors don't pay bribes. Hedge funds do. It's a foregone conclusion whose side a money-grubbing scumbag like Maxine Waters would be on.

        Got to love it when the truth gets labeled as a Troll.

        • by Anonymous Coward

          The problem is as usual it's an excessively cynical Slashdot type response that bares little resemblance to reality most likely driven by partisan politicisation of the topic, so troll isn't an inherently bad mod in this case.

          The issue at hand with this complaint is that there's zero evidence yet that there's any kind of finding of wrongdoing or foregone conclusion of wrongdoing. Given that something like this has never happened before in the markets then it would be absolutely mad if the authorities ignore

      • by EvilSS ( 557649 )

        Retail investors don't pay bribes. Hedge funds do. It's a foregone conclusion whose side a money-grubbing scumbag like Maxine Waters would be on.

        -jcr

        Maybe someone should create a ETF that invests in bribing politicians, so retail investors can get in on the fun.

      • Which side is a foul mouthed scumbag like you on?

  • by Camel Pilot ( 78781 ) on Thursday February 11, 2021 @10:42PM (#61054572) Homepage Journal

    Unless of course, you are a Billionaire or megacorporation which in that case it is just free-market forces.

  • its funny how.... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by JustNiz ( 692889 ) on Thursday February 11, 2021 @10:43PM (#61054576)

    its funny how the investment banks and fund managers are quite free to manipulate the markets and take every advantage, but as soon as the public do it the government have an enquiry.

  • It's become easy for "influencers" to collude to make tons of money in pump & dump schemes. That means buy, then hype up a penny stock or crypto and then dump it. Short it on the way down. Great especially if the followers are mostly cultists, they'll be on sucker-list and the influencer will suffer zero.

  • by dohzer ( 867770 ) on Friday February 12, 2021 @12:49AM (#61054792)

    Can't wait to see the new words and definitions officially added to dictionaries following this saga.

  • by peterofoz ( 1038508 ) on Friday February 12, 2021 @01:16AM (#61054820) Homepage Journal
    What's the difference if one company buys 1 million shares, or a million customers buy 1 share?
    • by sjames ( 1099 )

      A million people buying one share suggests a bit more strongly that there may be a growing consensus that a stock is undervalued. There's nothing illegal about buying a stock you believe is undervalued.

      What really needs to be looked at is situations where more shares are shorted than actually exist (140% for GME at the height of shorting). You might call that a "constructive naked short".

  • Why do they bother with these inquiries ? THe reddit representative is obviously going to pretend nothing happened and of course. has prepared a fake speech to match. Its such a stupid facade, whats the point ?
  • Do what you want GME is at the bottom :((
  • by sabbede ( 2678435 ) on Friday February 12, 2021 @09:58AM (#61055824)
    then we found something that we can build some unity on. Good thing Congress is focused on unifying issues like this and not some sort of spiteful, divisive, partisan show-trial.

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