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Why The $100 Million Police Body Camera Experiment 'Isn't Working' (fastcompany.com) 309

Slashdot reader tedlistens writes: Without cellphone video, George Floyd's death might have been what the Minneapolis police initially described in a statement as simply a "medical incident during a police interaction." Fortunately, the officers were also filming the entire encounter on their body cameras, the result of a previous round of reforms aimed at reducing force and enhancing transparency. And yet, the public still hasn't seen those videos: Like many states, Minnesota gives police wide discretion about when and how to release the footage, if at all.

It's a pattern repeated at police departments across the country, and it adds to a growing chorus of questions about the actual impact of police video.

"We spent a king's ransom on body cameras in this country, for accountability," says Barry Friedman, a professor at New York University School of Law, and director of the Policing Project. But research shows that the cameras aren't having their intended effects. And the devices raise other concerns about police reforms: Policies and laws keep videos from the public and allows cops to manipulate what gets captured on camera, while new technologies like live-streaming and face recognition are turning cameras into powerful street-level surveillance tools.

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Why The $100 Million Police Body Camera Experiment 'Isn't Working'

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  • by bobbied ( 2522392 ) on Sunday June 21, 2020 @08:00AM (#60208318)

    They do work and should be *required* to be worn and turned on by all uniformed police who are on duty because they do work. They work for two very obvious reasons.

    1. It remove speculation about who said and did what when, protecting everybody involved, the police, the public, everybody. IF you know you are being recorded, it tends to make you think twice about what you say and do. This is true for the police, who know they are being monitored and could be having to explain their actions should a complaint or noteable event take place. This is true for the public, to a lesser degree, that they understand that the camera won't lie, that they cannot stretch the truth about what the officer did or didn't do.. "He called me ... (insert racial tinged name)" when he didn't..

    2. It records both a visual and audio record of events to sort out the legal questions that naturally arise at times. It makes it much more difficult for police to skirt the law, claim things like self defense and makes complaints about the police easier to sort out. Did the officer rough up that citizen for no reason? It's all there on tape, from start to finish, from at least one perspective.

    This is not to say that the cameras don't have a down side, what they capture can be misleading and open to interpretation, some of the details may not get recorded because cameras have their limits. They may not capture everything necessary to make a proper determination in some situations. But as a viable technology that has appeared to help both the police and the citizens they deal with on a daily basis they are very helpful and should be mandatory for all uniformed officers who are on duty and dealing with the public.

    • by markdavis ( 642305 ) on Sunday June 21, 2020 @08:16AM (#60208362)

      >"what they capture can be misleading and open to interpretation, some of the details may not get recorded because cameras have their limits. They may not capture everything necessary to make a proper determination in some situations. "

      Couldn't agree with that more. It is very important objective evidence, but it doesn't tell the viewer everything about the situation. I have seen lots of videos which make something innocent look very bad, or something bad look very innocent... revealed only later after a full investigation.

      Overall, I think it can do a lot more good than bad, as long as the privacy of citizens can be assured and people understand that there is always a presumption of innocence for all parties, and it is only a single piece of a puzzle.

    • by raymorris ( 2726007 ) on Sunday June 21, 2020 @08:58AM (#60208478) Journal

      It does show the situation from one perspective, one angle, and in a way that's a good thing.

      We expect officers to act appropriately based on what they see. If a cop can see something that can't be seen by a bystander viewing the situation from a different angle, we expect the cop to respond to what he sees - not what she thinks someone else can see.

      If the cop can see a kid is in harms way, they should act appropriately to that. If a cop sees what looks, from their perspective, like a gun is being pointed at them, again they should act on that. It's right and fair that we judge a person's actions based on what they can see and not on what they can't see. So that's an advantage of being able to see more or less what the cop saw, and judge their actions based on what the situation was from the angle they saw.

      • >"We expect officers to act appropriately based on what they see."

        Agreed. But it isn't, however, just what they see. It is also what they know from what they are told by people reporting it, what they hear from dispatch, what they saw from running the rap sheet as to the person's previous crimes and propensities, what interactions they have have previously had with the individual, etc. That does have a significant bearing on the perceived threat level and actions they need to or might need to take (or

        • > That doesn't excuse bad policing.

          Right, we're not trying to excuse bad policing, we're trying to fix it - to have good policing.

          > . It is also what they know from what they are told by people reporting it, what they hear from dispatch, what they saw from running the rap sheet as to the person's previous crimes and propensities

          While you have a valid point, I think in most cases of concern the officer doesn't know who it is, and therefore have the ability to know about priors, until the suspect is alr

          • >"While you have a valid point, I think in most cases of concern the officer doesn't know who it is, and therefore have the ability to know about priors, until the suspect is already subdued."

            Agreed, yet again. It just goes to show there is a lot of complexity in these issues.

            >"The glaring exception to that is of course traffic stops if and when they call in the plate and get a timely response"

            Or when they are questioning someone and have already run their rap sheet... In the recent example of the A

    • by fred911 ( 83970 )

      ''what they capture can be misleading and open to interpretation''

      That's why we have the court system, to interpret actions and apply the law.

      The US taxpayer spent most likely cumulative billions of dollars for a battery powered 20 dollar webcam and secure infrastructure to support it for law enforcement. The fact that public servants and the department that supports them has the ability to control availability of the work product we pay for, is ridiculous. And.. before anyone waives the privacy flag, you h

    • IF you know you are being recorded, it tends to make you think twice about what you say and do.

      Most times this is true, but there are cases when cops knowingly commit felonies (repeatedly) while their bodycams were on. Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

    • The whole point here is that this audiovisual record cannot serve the public interest if police can choose to edit or withhold it when it incriminates them. Without a way to gain reliable access to the recording, then there can be no accountability, and you're right back to square one - might as well not bother.

      You wouldn't allow the defendant to edit the only evidence against them - why would give police that power when they're the ones being charged?

    • by Trailer Trash ( 60756 ) on Sunday June 21, 2020 @09:51AM (#60208606) Homepage

      See this case:

      https://www.nydailynews.com/ne... [nydailynews.com]

      This guy was beaten by cops, and one kept yelling "quit reaching for my gun". It was a setup - the guy wasn't reaching for the cop's gun but the cop was playing it for the camera. Fortunately, there was a second camera he didn't know about that captured what was happening.

      The victim was about to be prosecuted when the prosecutor came across a second dash cam video that showed what actually happened. Being a rare honest prosecutor, he dropped charges against the victim and charged the dirty cops.

      Had the second video not surfaced, the victim would be in prison now.

      Cameras are great, but not perfect. This is why *all* video needs to be reviewed in cases like this.

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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Sunday June 21, 2020 @09:07AM (#60208494)
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  • by sentiblue ( 3535839 ) on Sunday June 21, 2020 @09:15AM (#60208514)
    What good is it to wear body cams if the cops will turn them off before committing their own crimes? I've read an article about how one cop assaults an innocent person while 5 other cops watch. When the man pressed charges, all 6 bodycams malfunctioned. What's more pathetic is that the court actually accepted the fact that all those 6 body cams were defective.

    Bodycams should be engineered/manufactured in a way so that when a cop clocks on duty, it automatically turns on and it won't turn off until he's off shift. There's no button for him to disable it. He's also required to regularly charge the device while he's in his vehicle so that he can't claim that it's out of battery. Better yet, they all come with multiple batteries that can be charged separately and a beep sounds one hour before running out of battery.
    • by pedz ( 4127433 )
      You read the article so it must be true? I've read articles where offices are fired for turning off their body cams.
    • by The_mad_linguist ( 1019680 ) on Sunday June 21, 2020 @12:29PM (#60208994)

      Yeah, if they can turn them off they'll plant evidence [npr.org], then turn on the body cam and mysteriously 'find' it.

  • need more live PD and limited editing

  • The biggest questions with the cameras are, 1. Who gets to see the (unedited?) video? 2. Why do you want to see the video?
    • 1. Who gets to see the (unedited?) video?

      Anyone who lives in the county. They paid for the cameras. They pay the salaries of the people who wear them. They pay the maintenance fees and contract renewals and everything else involved in the existence of the body cams. They get to watch the footage.

      2. Why do you want to see the video?

      Because. I. Paid. For. It. Whether it's because I am looking for information regarding an 'unfortunate medical incident' of a family member without a bystander taking independent footage, or because I'm a retired person who can't afford cable anymore and s

  • by Chewbacon ( 797801 ) on Sunday June 21, 2020 @10:46AM (#60208720)

    Body cameras have also been justifying use of force in many cases and you never hear about it. Witness testimony often contradicts what the body camera sees for a variety of reasons including subjectivity, lying, and people having shitty memory. These contradictions seem to be made by the perspective of the subjects in the video setting a context for what is seen by elaborating on what they were doing and how they were perceiving the environment.

    For example, Floyd was said to resist arrest, but on camera he bucked a bit while being apprehended and didn't put up a huge fight. This is just my perception watching the video. You can call it resistance, sure, however, had he not died, I'd bet that little resistance he did put up wouldn't have ever come up. Then he collapsed by the patrol car, which I don't really call resisting at face value, but the agency did and, again, if he lived to tell about it, that probably wouldn't have come up as resisting arrest.

    • For example, Floyd was said to resist arrest, but on camera he bucked a bit while being apprehended and didn't put up a huge fight.

      It's also irrelevant since they had so many cops there. When you've got more than one cop for each limb there's really no justification for brutality of any kind. If they are competent at all, that many cops can trivially cuff and hobble a suspect.

  • Selection bias (Score:5, Insightful)

    by argStyopa ( 232550 ) on Sunday June 21, 2020 @10:48AM (#60208726) Journal

    Yes, they didn't work in the Floyd case.
    Yet in Rayshard Brooks' case, they're the key evidence of what happened.

    It's almost like we can't make a overly simplistic categorical "they're not working" statement here.
    Do we have actual year-on-year data about police confrontations, complaints, and resolutions pre camera and post camera?

    Clearly, officers need to have them on their entire shift.
    Clearly, they need to be subpoenable.

    They're not the end-all solution, but it seems like a couple of small changes would make a big difference.

    • by ljw1004 ( 764174 )

      Do we have actual year-on-year data about police confrontations, complaints, and resolutions pre camera and post camera?

      Yes! Here's one randomized controlled trial: https://bwc.thelab.dc.gov/#hom... [dc.gov]

      It's almost like we can't make a overly simplistic categorical "they're not working" statement here.

      I think that's entirely correct. There are loads of promising leads about which bodycam policies and protocols will be effective. I was impressed by the data-gathering on this website, https://www.joincampaignzero.o... [joincampaignzero.org], part of a campaign to reduce police violence.

    • Small changes aren't enough.

      Qualified immunity MUST end.

      And we need a lot fewer cops on the street.

  • by t4eXanadu ( 143668 ) on Sunday June 21, 2020 @10:55AM (#60208756)

    If cops had sufficient training (for a longer length of time) rather than Dave Grossman's "killology", and the bar to entry was higher, so any moron couldn't become a cop, the cameras would be unnecessary.

    Higher barrier to entry is no problem, we don't need as many police as we have. The assumption that with less police it would be absolute chaos is ridiculous. We don't live in a Hobbsean "state of nature". The vast majority of convictions are drug-related. That can be solved in other ways, that don't involve more police.

    But let's face it, no one in a position of power wants to make those changes. The police unions certainly don't. It's a shame because, it would save a lot of money, that could be invested in communities in more productive and helpful ways.

  • Colorado (Score:5, Informative)

    by michael_cain ( 66650 ) on Sunday June 21, 2020 @11:34AM (#60208850) Journal
    Colorado passed a law this month that will attempt to deal with the weaknesses of the current police body cam experience. There will be standards for retrieval, audits, and archiving. To a considerable degree, lack of coverage because the camera was turned off will by statute be taken as evidence of inappropriate conduct. We won't know if it works for several years. The rules don't fully kick in for three years, largely because the systems are going to be painfully expensive for rural areas to implement.
  • Or where you aren't allowed to see the measurements.

    There should be an elected civilian commission that can view any footage and vote to release it. Any individual commissioner should be able to prevent any individual cop from ever working in the area he represents again.

    Thomas Jefferson wrote that governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed. The police are the ultimate instrument of the government's power over the people. No cop should ever work in a neighborhood if the people

  • There were four cops, all wearing body cameras when George Floyd was killed.

    There were like five or ten people who saw and filmed George Floyd being killed.

    We know at least one of the four cops was worried about Floyd's health, he's heard on tape asking the officer on Floyd's neck about it.

    We know the people standing around the scene were worried about Floyd's health, we hear them asking about it on tape.

    Question, did anyone filming the death of George Floyd bother calling 911? Presumably another cr

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