US Commerce Dept. Amends Huawei Ban To Allow For Development of 5G Standards (techcrunch.com) 54
The United States Department of Commerce today issued a change to allow American companies to participate in developing more streamlined standards for 5G with Huawei. TechCrunch reports: According to the Department: "This action is meant to ensure Huawei's placement on the Entity List in May 2019 does not prevent American companies from contributing to important standards-developing activities despite Huawei's pervasive participation in standards-development organizations."
The change is designed to allow Huawei and U.S. to both play a role in hashing out the parameters for the next-generation wireless technology. "The United States will not cede leadership in global innovation. This action recognizes the importance of harnessing American ingenuity to advance and protect our economic and national security," Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross said in a statement. "The Department is committed to protecting U.S. national security and foreign policy interests by encouraging U.S. industry to fully engage and advocate for U.S. technologies to become international standards."
The new Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS) rule essentially allows companies to share information about technologies in order to develop a joint standard without requiring an export license. Beyond that, however, the DOC has no stated plans to ease up after placing Huawei on its entities list last year.
The change is designed to allow Huawei and U.S. to both play a role in hashing out the parameters for the next-generation wireless technology. "The United States will not cede leadership in global innovation. This action recognizes the importance of harnessing American ingenuity to advance and protect our economic and national security," Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross said in a statement. "The Department is committed to protecting U.S. national security and foreign policy interests by encouraging U.S. industry to fully engage and advocate for U.S. technologies to become international standards."
The new Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS) rule essentially allows companies to share information about technologies in order to develop a joint standard without requiring an export license. Beyond that, however, the DOC has no stated plans to ease up after placing Huawei on its entities list last year.
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They are, by virtue of being a chinese company, in direct contact with the plague king.
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Actually it is because they violated a trade embargo against Iran.
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They were already warned to stop before. So they set up a dummy corp to continue doing it. That just pissed off the regs.
It's actually hard to get on the Embargo list; just ask ZTE who did similar multiple times. They paid fines, cheated, got on probation & changed up the board, cheated, and then settled with some _heavy_ fines to close out the topic. Because the next step was Embargo and criminal prosecutions.
I am surprised that Huawei hasn't settled out of court on the pending case. Probably one party doesn't like the terms or just waiting to see what happens in Nov.
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No it's because they don't want their CFO extradited to the US from Canada (where she's already under arrest for criminal charges) to face further prosecution.
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Well, you're right that it's unrelated to Iran.
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No it's because they don't want their CFO extradited to the US from Canada (where she's already under arrest for criminal charges) to face further prosecution.
Well, you're right that it's unrelated to Iran.
No; she is indicted in the US on charges of bank fraud... which is to say, setting up fraudulent shell corporationions to funnel money to Iran.
So, yes, that is related to Iran.
details here: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr... [justice.gov]
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Oh, I thought she was just caught also scamming on the side.
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they set up a dummy corp to continue doing it. That just pissed off the regs.
Interestingly that never became an issue when IBM set up a shell company in Peru in the late '70s, shipped it tons of "spare parts", assembled computers in Tacna, and then sold the USSR all the systems they could come up with foreign exchange for.
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Yeah! totally!!!!11!
Whutabout something someone else did 50 years ago...
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It's a long American tradition, and easy enough to go back considerably further. Ford factories never shut down in Nazi Germany, and made parts for vehicles that helped kill American soldiers. Henry Ford for that matter was still financing pro-Nazi anti-semitic newspapers in the US until the opening of hostilities. DuPont made gunpowder for the Kaiser. New York and Boston bankers helped finance Confederate weapons purchases and enabled cotton exports through the blockade. Some of the Founding Fathers w
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They are, by virtue of being a chinese company, in direct contact with the plague king.
Actually it is because they violated a trade embargo against Iran.
Then if they pay a fine and stop doing that, will they be unblacklisted? I don't see it.
No; Huwei is indicted for violating the Iran sanctions (and setting up fraudulent shell companies to do so), but the U.S. ban is because they are controlled by the Chinese government, and U.S. intelligence agencies warn that they install spyware on their phones.
Background here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/k... [forbes.com]
timeline here: https://www.cnet.com/news/huaw... [cnet.com]
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as their consumer business is clean.
Seriously? Are you Chinese or just extremely naive?
So the US blinked! If you cant beat them... (Score:4, Insightful)
The United States Department of Commerce today issued a change to allow American companies to participate in developing more streamlined standards for 5G with Huawei.
Sadly, I must admit here: The USA blinked!! That's fact. The USA did the same in the early 80s when it came to rocket technology. The Chinese now do not need us in that field
Ditto in chips/semi conductors. They will not need us one day.
So POTUS and his men have finally come to their senses I guess. Waging such a war was insane. For a country with less than 1/3 of [essential] 5G patents to state: The United States will not cede leadership in global innovation" one administration official was quoted saying, is laughable.
Huawei is a dangerous company!" POTUS once said. Now his administration is granting permission to work with a "dangerous" company? Absurd!!
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He said the same thing about Comcast and Amazon last week.
Yeah but about those two he's right. Some foreign company having ties to some foreign government spying on you is no where near as dangerous to you in America as a local company getting monopoly status and using said status to embed themselves as the only player in the marketplace slowly killing off or buying out all sources of competition.
Huawei may be dangerous to national security on a local level (as in personal equipment level, since we should never trust intermediate infrastructure anyway). So if you
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What market can Amazon possibly be a monopoly in? You could open your own online store tomorrow and **IF** you can do it better take their place. The Amazon hate seems to be mostly a product of envy from people and competitors who have no clue what 'customer service' actually means.
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"So POTUS and his men have finally come to their senses"
No. One constant in the alleged administration is that they do not learn anything new. New is dangerous, it threatens their 1950s view of the world.
You can't cede what you never had (Score:2)
I like how pervasive participation in global standards bodies is somehow implied to be negative and/or sinister, while the restriction has to be loosened just to enable US companies to participate in the same bodies, which apparently have had no problems moving forward without US "leadership".
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Huawei did the work for 5G. That's why they own a lot of essential patents on it that must be licenced to produce 5G gear.
That's also why Huawei has been targeted by the US. China took the lead in mobile technology and this is a lame attempt to hobble them so American companies can catch up. It does nothing to address the real problem.
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Patents holds back innovation, and it will be the US that suffers the most.
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The US is running mostly on delusions now. One of them is that they are global leaders in everything (when they are basically behind in everything). Another one is that they are the best country to live in on the planet (when that is not even remotely true by any sane metric). If the US did not have sheer size on its side, it would have long since be left by the wayside by the rest of the world. But thanks to a certain fool, the rest of the west is slowly coming to realize that they need to be able to stand
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To be fair, for aging white gun-owners, ala Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino, USA is probably where you want to be.
No.
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To be fair, for aging white gun-owners, ala Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino, USA is probably where you want to be.
If that's what you took away about his character in that film, I think you need to rewatch it, because you clearly didn't grasp the lessons it was trying to teach.
Re:You can't cede what you never had (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm also an American citizen, have been using slashdot since the 90s, and previously ran an R&D lab for Huawei overseas. I have no problem with the US-centric nature of "news" that appears here, given the site's origin, I just tire of seeing people like you spouting off pro-US nonsense while being simply unable to come to grips with the fact the US dropped the ball and the rest of the world moved on. If you want to be a world innovator, less whining and protectionism, more actual innovation, thanks.
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The fascinating thing is the US is doing it to itself. If you always claim to be "best" and "greatest" and "first" at everything, people get lazy, because there is no need to stay on the ball, obviously. And after a while, you are behind. A smart reaction would be to admit that, fix the problems and catch up again. But instead the cheerleaders just cheer harder and that makes the problem worse and worse.
Re:You can't cede what you never had (Score:4, Insightful)
And yet, shitheads like you are on US websites complaining about it EVERY DAY. WHY DON'T YOU FUCK OFF THEN? I mean seriously, just FUCK OFF. Go visit the BBC or the Guardian or whatever shit websites you have in your country. You would be so much happier in life! Plus I wouldn't need to hear your whining. I get that you are jealous of the the US, otherwise you wouldn't bitch about it 24x7, but just fuck off.
And there you have it. Any mention of how the US actually lags in many indicators/rankings of first world states or is not the best at everything gets certain people triggered faster than an evangelical at an interracial gay wedding. Patriotism isn't hugging a flag or sticking a giant flag on your pickup. It's being able to criticize your country, point out where it's flaws are, not to bring down the country, but to help fix it. It's not forcing your way into government buildings brandishing long arms and screaming "MY RIGHTS!", it's realizing that a lot of fellow citizens don't get to freely exercise those same rights and standing up for them. Fawning over your country and endlessly chanting "We're #1" and that it can do no wrong isn't patriotism, it's fanaticism.
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Fawning over your country and endlessly chanting "We're #1" and that it can do no wrong isn't patriotism, it's fanaticism.
And in a very real sense, it is anti-patriotic as it accelerates the decline. On the plus side, we are now getting an object lecture in history and that it is not something only happening in books.
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Poor little snowflake. Why don't you retreat into your safe space?
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Go away 7-digit ID child. Come back when you get enough life experience to figure out how the real world works, and maybe learn how to hold a rational discussion.
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You think /. is a US website? Look at my ID. Then look at yours. Than ask yourself how the hell I did sign on to a "US website" at a time you were still in diapers. IP geolocation has been available forever coarse-grain and if this was a "US website" it would have been easy to block me back then.
In actual reality, /. is an international website and always was open to anybody. English is merely spoken because the Brits (not the US) made that the replacement for Latin in trade and science a long time ago.
Inci
Re:You can't cede what you never had (Score:4, Funny)
I like how pervasive participation in global standards bodies is somehow implied to be negative and/or sinister, while the restriction has to be loosened just to enable US companies to participate in the same bodies, which apparently have had no problems moving forward without US "leadership".
Yup, all of a sudden the US wakes up, realises that isolationism isn't a good idea because developing your own standards that nobody else uses kind of kills your prospects of technology exports in an age where interconnectivity is key. Thus the US has now decided that while Huawei still can't do business in the US because they are supposedly spying for the Chinese government even if nobody can prove it, Huawei is still supposed to sit down with their US competitors, sing "Kumbaya ..." and help those US companies play catch up with Huawei in the development of next-generation wireless technology?
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The question of how much being isolationist and doing your own thing hurts your economy is an interesting one.
The textbook example is Japan. They call it "Galapagos" because a lot of tech there evolves separately to the rest of the world. For a long time mobile networks were to some extent incompatible with the rest of the world. A lot of stuff that becomes popular in Japan never even gets released elsewhere. Language plays a part too, in the west few have heard of DOS/V or PC98 or FM Townes.
How much has th
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The trend has also shifted in Japan since they became more aware of the fragility of their domestic supply chains. I worked for a Japanese semiconductor in Tokyo for many years, they prided themselves on doing all of the sourcing and fabrication domestically - that is, until the tsunami knocked out critical fabs in Tohoku and they were unable to meet the supply requirements of some of their biggest domestic customers, who in turn had to push back new product launches by over a year, which in turn reduced th
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"Leadership on global innovation" (Score:2)
Apart from the question why there muat be a "leadership" and one can't just work together like actual humans...
Good luck with that, in the coming years, dear America! :D
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Some very bad teachers.