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How Accurate Were Ray Kurzweil's Predictions for 2019? (lesswrong.com) 70

In 1999, Ray Kurzweil made predictions about what the world would be like 20 years in the future. Last month the community blog LessWrong took a look at how accurate Kurzweil's predictions turned out to be: This was a follow up to a previous assessment about his predictions about 2009, which showed a mixed bag, roughly evenly divided between right and wrong, which I'd found pretty good for 10-year predictions... For the 2019 predictions, I divided them into 105 separate statements, did a call for volunteers [and] got 46 volunteers with valid email addresses, of which 34 returned their predictions... Of the 34 assessors, 24 went the whole hog and did all 105 predictions; on average, 91 predictions were assessed by each person, a total of 3078 individual assessments...

Kurzweil's predictions for 2019 were considerably worse than those for 2009, with more than half strongly wrong.

The assessors ultimately categorized just 12% of Kurzweil's predictions as true, with another 12% declared "weakly true," while another 10% were classed as "cannot decide." But 52% were declared "false" -- with another 15% also called "weakly false."

Among Kurzweil's false predictions for the year 2019:
  • "Phone" calls routinely include high-resolution three-dimensional images projected through the direct-eye displays and auditory lenses... Thus a person can be fooled as to whether or not another person is physically present or is being projected through electronic communication.
  • The all-enveloping tactile environment is now widely available and fully convincing.

"As you can see, Kurzweil suffered a lot from his VR predictions," explains the LessWrong blogpost. "This seems a perennial thing: Hollywood is always convinced that mass 3D is just around the corner; technologists are convinced that VR is imminent."

But the blog post also thanks Kurzweil, "who, unlike most prognosticators, had the guts and the courtesy to write down his predictions and give them a date. I strongly suspect that most people's 1999 predictions about 2019 would have been a lot worse."

And they also took special note of Kurzweil's two most accurate predictions. First, "The existence of the human underclass continues as an issue." And second:

"People attempt to protect their privacy with near-unbreakable encryption technologies, but privacy continues to be a major political and social issue with each individual's practically every move stored in a database somewhere."


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How Accurate Were Ray Kurzweil's Predictions for 2019?

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  • "...when you make eyes in place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then shall you enter the kingdom."

    Hold on, need to take off my VR headset.

  • I don't listen to people's 'predictions'. If you do then you probably fall for 'fortune tellers' and other swindlers who have mastered the art of cold [wikipedia.org] reading [wikihow.com].
    • by skam240 ( 789197 )

      Yeah, never ever listen to predictions https://science.slashdot.org/s... [slashdot.org] .

    • I don't listen to people's 'predictions'. If you do then you probably fall for 'fortune tellers' and other swindlers who have mastered the art of cold [wikipedia.org] reading [wikihow.com].

      Nobody gives a fuck. And nobody should, because these kinds of things are mostly laughably wrong, or only right in areas that are obvious.

    • I agree on your intent.
      Though the whole point of our brains and science is, to make predictions that are useful (due to having been shown to reliably match reality).
      So not all predictions are bad or useless.

      It's just the scale. As complexity increases like nothing else, over time.
      That is why predictions of the far future are usually silly.
      You can counter it, by being vague and generic though.
      Like, there's probably going to be a summer in the northern hemisphere, next year around August. :)
      That's not clickba

      • Like most everyone I 'paint with a broad brush' because I don't need to write 10 screenfuls of text just to cover all the edge-cases. There are some people who actually have the credentials to make 'predictions' about things, at least that are within their area of expertise, and that are science-based and therefore subject to scrutiny by the science community. But much of these 'predictions' don't fall under that.
      • That's a good point. Useful science is that which predicts what will happen or what will be found. For example, chemistry says if you mix these two things, at this temperature, it will produce that. Taken literally, "I don't listen to people's predictions" would mean "I don't listen to science".

        Engineering (as opposed to "building shit") is the art and science of accurately predicting how constructed objects will behave - this bridge design will hold 100,000 pounds, this airplane component will survive 50,

    • Well, speaking âoeliterallyâ as you prescribed, I donâ(TM)t think itâ(TM)s actually possible for anybody to âoegiveâ a verb at all. Perhaps you mean literally figuratively?

  • by presidenteloco ( 659168 ) on Sunday June 14, 2020 @01:55PM (#60182444)
    It would be good to assess predictions like this by waiting another 20 years beyond the prediction target date, and re-assessing how much of it came true. It's pretty hard to predict when various innovations will get adequate finance, for example, even if the writing is on the wall that things are going to go in that direction. A lot of the temporal variation probably depends on whatever semi-random phenomenon (like a pandemic, say) distracts peoples' and economies' focuses for, you know, five or ten year periods.

    How do Kurzweil's predictions for 2009 stack up now in 2020, as if he'd been predicting for 2019 that time?
    • Best comment on the article.

      This article contains a summary of some of the failures from the 2009:
      https://www.forbes.com/sites/a... [forbes.com]

      Some of them are definitely still failures. Like "Most routine business transactions (purchases, travel, reservations) take place between a human and a virtual personality. Often, the virtual presentation includes an animated visual presence that looks like a human face."

      But others, like "The majority of text is created using continuous speech recognition." and "Translating tele

  • by BAReFO0t ( 6240524 ) on Sunday June 14, 2020 @02:07PM (#60182488)

    Keep your predictions so vague or generic, that anything can be used by the victim, to match it.

    Nostradamus was good at this, by being ridiculously cryptic.

    Kurzweil still has a lot to learn, before being invited to the Council of Underhanded New-age TechnomageS. ... :)

  • Sure people argue that war has brought on some of our greatest achievements; however, you skip the war part and those achievements trickle down to the masses much faster than the military hoarding for decades before making it public.
  • ... /. will soon post yet another duplicate of this gossip.

    and i'll now leave you all just quietly marveling at my astonishing insight powers.

  • I can't wait for "How accurate were _______ 2020 predictions?"
  • Hey 25% is pretty good really... although you can at any time and any where there is a human society say that class struggle will be an issue. It's an issue in the most barbaric of places and in the most advanced countries, and always will be so.

    • by lgw ( 121541 )

      No matter how you structure your society, 10% of people will still be in the poorest 10%. And people always seem to focus on that tautology, rather than the fact that 99% of Americans live better than 95% of everyone who has ever lived.

      There's always room for improvement, but this is already utopia by the standards of most of history, and even most of the world today, and throwing temper tantrums about it just comes off as childish.

      • And people always seem to focus on that tautology, rather than the fact that 99% of Americans live better than 95% of everyone who has ever lived.

        There's always room for improvement, but this is already utopia by the standards of most of history, and even most of the world today, and throwing temper tantrums about it just comes off as childish.

        You think it is childish that people complain because they live with a constant burden that they cannot provide for their family? You think it childish that people are getting kicked out of their homes at record rates? Progress is a mixed bag. Sure, compared to 20 years ago, entertainment is WAAAAY better (the introduction of streaming and that you can stream content from any era). However, food prices have gone up. Purchasing power has gone down. Homes are much harder to afford and so is education, w

        • by lgw ( 121541 )

          You think it is childish that people complain because they live with a constant burden that they cannot provide for their family?

          No, nor did I ever say that. What I said was that temper tantrums are childish - violent behavior that only damages the place you live.

          Progress is a mixed bag.

          Not in the least, compared to 1200, or 1600, or 1800, or 1900. Or 1950. Sure, it has its ups and downs in a given decade, but let's also be thankful for modern dentistry, and air conditioning, and far fewer jobs requiring back-breaking manual labor!

          Stop demonizing the poor.

          Don't think Antefa are poor, for the most part. I will demonize people who do stupid, self-destructive shit regardless of th

        • by jbengt ( 874751 )

          Homes are much harder to afford

          That is just not true. We have historically low interest rates going on for ten years now. The current cost is much lower than when I bought my first house, and lower than when I bought for the second time about twenty years ago. If the costs seem to have gone up so much that you can't afford the house you want, it's because you're looking to buy more house than you can afford or need. What has changed in the last several decades, is that the median new house has gotten la

          • Homes are much harder to afford

            That is just not true. We have historically low interest rates going on for ten years now. The current cost is much lower than when I bought my first house, and lower than when I bought for the second time about twenty years ago. If the costs seem to have gone up so much that you can't afford the house you want, it's because you're looking to buy more house than you can afford or need. What has changed in the last several decades, is that the median new house has gotten larger, with more expensive fixtures and finishes.

            You must live somewhere far away from centers of industry. If you want a big tech job, you have to live near Silicon Valley, Boston, NYC, Austin, Seattle and a few others. I live near Boston. Most families of 4 cannot afford a basic home on a household income for 250k a year with a commute of less than 30 min. No, it's not that they're expecting a palace..its that any inexpensive home is taken or quickly goes up in price when on the market. You have to go an hour out or so before you can get a basic no

  • It's easy to predict that in ten years, we'll still be hearing that automation/robots/AI-based mass unemployment is right around the corner, so we need UBI — even though mass unemployment is not here yet. In 20 years, it will still be right around the corner.

    Fossil fuels will still be in widespread use, especially for air travel, despite climate change predictions.

    No inhabited islands will be uninhabitable due to rising sea levels in 20 years. It will be right around the corner though. Temperatures

    • by lgw ( 121541 )

      It's easy to predict that in ten years, we'll still be hearing that automation/robots/AI-based mass unemployment is right around the corner, so we need UBI â" even though mass unemployment is not here yet. In 20 years, it will still be right around the corner.

      Fossil fuels will still be in widespread use, especially for air travel, despite climate change predictions.

      These two will change over 20 years, though, just not in any dramatic way requiring a convenient emergency shift of political power to one party, as is constantly demanded. Yes, robots will do lots of work in 20 years that humans do today. That statement has been true for 200 years now, seems we come out ahead from it. Yes, electric cars will gradually replace gas cars, as their quality improves. Might even be a net reduction worldwide in fossil fuel use, though I'm betting not thanks to economic growth

    • by Kohath ( 38547 )

      More money per child will be spent on schools in 10 and 20 years. Test scores won't improve significantly. It will be proclaimed the parents' fault, but the suggested remedy will be more spending on schools. Despite a whole generation of kids being born and going all the way through school and getting no better education than today, it will be said to be too early to consider any real substantive changes. Kids in poor neighborhoods will fare far worse.

      Cost of college will still be considered a major pro

    • by Tablizer ( 95088 )

      [claims] we need UBI -- even though mass unemployment is not here yet. In 20 years, it will still be right around the corner.

      Ignoring the Covid slump, while employment itself has been good, we do have hollowed out employment: the lowest rungs pay only poverty wages as the income gap between rich and poor continues to grow. Factories used to pay lower-middle-class wages: enough to raise a family relatively comfortably. By the way, slumps do happen in general roughly every decade. You can't judge the employme

      • by Kohath ( 38547 )

        That's why these predictions are so easy. There's no way to learn any lessons. Everything you want to try has already been tried and it didn't help. You don't want to make any big changes because it threatens the existing power base and the funding they're all living comfortably off of.

        The only answer that fits within this framework is to find a way to take and spend more money other people earned — but to spend it almost exactly the same way it is being spent now. No real change.

        It's far, far mor

        • by Tablizer ( 95088 )

          If you are saying that historically tough-to-solve problems will likely remain tough to solve, and thus make for easy (likely) predictions, I will agree.

      • by Kohath ( 38547 )

        Racial issues will still be a problem. Exploiting racial divisions is far too lucrative for big improvements to be acknowledged.

        What's your solution?

        My complete solution to racial strife in a few words, huh?

        People who want it solved can mostly solve it for themselves by not participating in it and staying away from those who do. This will mostly work, but not completely.

        Racial strife is caused by people who want racial strife. They're haters or on the racial division payroll. To solve the problem, they would have to want an end to racial strife. They don't.

      • The BLM movement may just be the start of a predicted upheaval. [politico.com]

        Unlikely. They'll do something useless like increasing tax on the top income brackets, which does nothing to hurt the truly rich but hurts actors, sports stars, and authors.

  • His only 2 predictions that were correct is that we'd still have hegemony and injustice? I can take that a step further and predict that to continue for another 100 years at least. Breonna Taylor was killed in her home during a no knock warrant and they're talking about *maybe* making that illegal. Yet the warrant was granted because some asshole claimed they smelled a burning flower. A flower. Yeah, a hundred years from now we will still live in a world where only property owners have rights and only certa
  • by DrXym ( 126579 ) on Sunday June 14, 2020 @03:39PM (#60182818)
    Was ever believing that Ray Kurzweil or any other futurologist in the first place. Some stuff can be extrapolated from the existing state of the art, some from the laws of probability and the remainder is just an exercise in pulling stuff out of asses.
  • > "Phone" calls routinely include high-resolution three-dimensional images projected through the direct-eye displays and auditory lenses...

    Instead, as one of the biggest recent innovations we got were animated emojis... I think 10 years ago I was already predicting that the time of meaningful innovations is over and we'll be just getting more and more useless features. 5 cameras for instagramers, better speakers for people who want everyone else to know what are they listening to, gender neutral emojis.

  • So much for my brain being transferred into a machine by 2025.
  • I can almost see hours and hours of hesitation that went into this "prediction"

  • Mainly because I predicted that driverless trucks would take over municipal business (busses, garbage trucks, etc.)

    • Why? When those companies can milk cities for extra hours and pensions (cost plus) and any complaints from the city mean the city is antiworker. Can't do that with robots.
      • The companies have to pay the employees the extra hours and pensions.

        Are you saying these civil contractors care more about their employees than their profits?

        • You missed the cost plus. If labor costs are a billion, usually municipal contractors will get 1.25 billion. Or some similar arrangement. They don't care about the labor, they only use it as an excuse to inflate their fees and insulate themselves from criticism. If the workers were robots, they wouldn't be able to blame the workers for high costs.
  • I reread ACC's 2001: A Space Odyssey the other day. This was written in 1968. There's a section where he basically pictures what anyone today would recognize as an iPad or other tablet. Except it's wired to the 'Nets instead of some radio connection. And only serves newspapers, no other content. And seems to have very small memory. And a clumsy UI. And no ads....

    On the other hand, he's getting mainstream media exactly spot on. Quote:

    "There was another thought which a scanning of those tiny electronic hea

  • Or Con-Man. Basically they are mostly wrong and the only way around that is to make so many different predictions that some are right by accident.

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