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Slack Removed a Blog Post Showing How Police Use its Tech (vice.com) 58

Slack recently deleted one of the company's own blog posts that explained how a local police department used the chat platform to share intelligence. From a report: The move came after some Black Slack employees flagged the blog post years ago, one employee suggested on Twitter. Slack removed the post in the past few days in the wake of widespread protests about police brutality after a white police officer killed unarmed Black man George Floyd. "These days, the Hartford Police Department's intelligence sharing is primarily coordinated over Slack with more than 450 investigators and officers from all over the state, "the blog post read, referring to Hartford, Connecticut, according to archived and cached versions viewed by Motherboard. The post explained how the police department used Slack to post updates in a #department-wide channel, and use other channels such as #narcotics, #crimes, and #BOLO (be on the lookout). Sometimes the officers used Slack to track specific crimes, such as ATM robberies, the post added. The Slack team hosted over 450 members across 75 agencies and states, according to the post.
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Slack Removed a Blog Post Showing How Police Use its Tech

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  • The police are government officials being paid form my Tax money.
    I feel that I should have the right to know what and how they are dealing with my money.

    • by eepok ( 545733 )

      You have the right to know where they spend their money. You don't have the right to know their live, in action, policing tactics for many reasons not the least of which is ensuring that criminals don't know their tactics.

      • by Pimpy ( 143938 )

        While I don't think there is a need for total transparency, for the reasons you mention, better oversight of the tactics employed wouldn't hurt. I read through some of the court transcripts from the Baltimore police corruption hearing, and this was quite illuminating. One of the tactics they employed was to look for groups of black men congregating in public, then to drive quickly at them with their police car before hitting the brakes and popping the doors open, and waiting to see which ones would make a r

      • Security through obscurity! The mantra of slashdot.

        • by eepok ( 545733 )

          Never underestimate the value of security through obscurity. Avoidance is the key factor in reducing the probability aspect of risk.

          Never overestimate the value of security through obscurity. Avoidance without a mitigation plan greatly increases the severity aspect of risk.

    • Absolutely you should have the right to know. However, I believe this is more about the current environment and companies are ashamed to say they enable law enforcement to be bigger pieces of shit than normal.

  • So What? (Score:2, Insightful)

    Honestly, what is being implied here? That the police ought NOT to coordinate their work? That's asinine. That they shouldn't be using what, computers and stuff? Good grief.

    • No what is being states, is how they do their work, is trying to be kept secret. Because they have a lot of dirty laundry that doesn't want to be shown.

      • No what is being states, is how they do their work, is trying to be kept secret. Because they have a lot of dirty laundry that doesn't want to be shown.

        When your garage gets broken into and some beat cop has to come out and take the report from you, you want him to submit via carrier pigeon?

      • by PPH ( 736903 )

        Because they have a lot of dirty laundry that doesn't want to be shown.

        Because your name might come up as person of interest in an investigation. And even after having been cleared (or worse yet, providing useful information to the police) some parties out there in the public manage to get hold of that.

      • No what is being states, is how they do their work, is trying to be kept secret. Because they have a lot of dirty laundry that doesn't want to be shown.

        That statement is also incorrect. It might be one thing if the police department had deleted the post, although I'm not certain that there couldn't be an OpSec reason for doing so.

        In this case, Slack deleted the post. All that means is that they're protecting their brand from being associated with the Police, presumably for financial/PR reasons.

    • I see no reason to object to the use of slack, providing that a few conditions are met: The record of all conversations must be unalterable, it must be made available to any defendant upon appropriate legal order, and it must be subject to any state records-keeping laws. I do not know if that was the case in this instance.

    • by Cederic ( 9623 )

      What's being implied here is that Slack no longer feel that police use of their technology is a positive case study that will improve the profile of their company and engender further sales.

      Nothing more.

  • by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Friday June 05, 2020 @11:34AM (#60149218)

    A few days ago I was reading an article where a number of retired black baseball players were discussing their experiences with police. They talked about their own expiences as well as how, during their playing days, they would tend to not talk about any bad experiences in the wider clubhouse so as not to cause issues on the field.

    One of the guys (Doug Glanville) talked about an experience that happened to him in Connecticut, while he was shoveling snow in his own driveway. But he also talked about his work with a civilian police oversight council for the state, and held it up as a model for addressing these sorts of issues.

    I guess I feel like Slack, in taking this action, is painting all police with the same brush. Removing a potentially useful blog post just because it mentioned the police - without there being any apparent actual issue with that blog post - is not helpful. If anything, it might make a police agency that is doing the right thing start to wonder "why are we bothering".

    • by PPH ( 736903 ) on Friday June 05, 2020 @11:48AM (#60149268)

      Removing a potentially useful blog post just because it mentioned the police - without there being any apparent actual issue with that blog post - is not helpful.

      This never should have been posted in the first place. Forget police for a moment and consider how badly this might go if Slack described the internal operations of any of its clients in an open forum. Particularly without their permission.

      • by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Friday June 05, 2020 @11:59AM (#60149314)

        Your point seems like a good one, and perhaps that was the actual motivation in removing the post. But the story seems to imply that the reason for removing the post was simply because it mentioned that Slack did business with police.

        • by PPH ( 736903 )

          But the story seems to imply that the reason for removing the post was simply because it mentioned that Slack did business with police.

          Yeah. Because the police are on the public's shit list at the moment. But then maybe that's why the blog post was made in the first place.

          This would be a pretty sad country to live in if everyone not in the leading parties favor could be set upon by a mob, rallied by special interest groups with their own agenda. I certainly wouldn't want to be a Jewish businessman with a storefront full of big windows in today's atmosphere.

          • not the public's shit list, but the SJW one.

            Which tends to be someone, just that its the police's turn to be de-platformed and de-funded by the de-intelligent.

            • Please today the police can go to court and make the statement "the unarmed person made me fear for my life so I shot them." and get off.
              Soooo can I shot an armed person who is approaching me because I am scared for my life, and happens to be a police officer?
              No cause, no weapon, no issue and get shot.
              WTF SMH

              • "the unarmed person made me fear for my life" - Jet Li would like you to know you're a pussy with shit for brains.

    • by hey! ( 33014 )

      They understandably want to stay far, far away from controversy, especially at a time when government agencies like the DEA have been called into do surveillance of protest organizers.

    • On the flip side, the city of Hartford probably doesn't want people hacking into their Slack channel. If they were able to impersonate an officer, they could redirect the police to fake incidents and make looting stores easier. The fact Slack is advertising that they have this site isn't helpful to them right now.

  • by awwshit ( 6214476 ) on Friday June 05, 2020 @11:41AM (#60149244)

    Our society is too quick to 'do something' to 'solve problems'. We just grab onto 'something' and run with it, without taking the time to understand if we should do anything at all or if we are doing the right thing.

    • by Merk42 ( 1906718 )
      Haha "too quick", because this is a new thing after all.
      • I was referring to Slack's actions. But you're right, the police are out of control and have been. How did we get here? We got here from years of 'law and order' and 'do something about crime'. We had lots of extra military gear and we did something, we gave it to police. We've been doing something in the wrong direction for at least 50 years. What we really need to do is undo many of the somethings we already completed. Pulling down (currently) embarrassing blog posts doesn't solve anything or help a

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      It's more of a PR move. The police brand is toxic now.

      • by malkavian ( 9512 )

        There's a simple solution that would let people make a real judgement.
        Shut down the police for a year or two. Everything. Just have them walk away and say to people "Ok, you've let us know you don't want us and you think we're terrible. Show us how it's done".

    • ... too quick? This has been going on for a long long long long long time. I mean just look at the police brutality that's happen in the last week. And this is when they _know_ that they are being recorded. Can you imagine when cameras were not so ubiquitous?
      • And how does slack removing a blog post help? It doesn't.

        Slack was quick to remove this blog post because supporting the police is unpopular at this moment. I think that was a quick action on Slack's part and doesn't help or solve anything. We look bad - 'do something!'.

        Yes, we need to address issues with the police - I actually lived through the 90s and I won't forget being on the wrong side of the baton, because young adults out after dark looks like a broken window to a broken windows cop and goddamn

  • In your court trial you have the right to that info!

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