GitHub Faces More Resignations In Light of ICE Contract (techcrunch.com) 226
TechCrunch reports that another employee, engineer Alice Goldfuss, has resigned from GitHub over the company's $200,000 contract with Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). From the report: In a tweet, Goldfuss said GitHub has a number of problems to address and that "ICE is only the latest." Meanwhile, Vice reports at least five staffers quit today. These resignations come the same day as GitHub Universe, the company's big product conference. Ahead of the conference, Tech Workers Coalition protested the event, setting up a cage to represent where ICE detains children.
Last month, GitHub staff engineer Sophie Haskins resigned, stating she was leaving because the company did not cancel its contract with ICE, The Los Angeles Times reported. Last month, GitHub employees penned an open letter urging the company to stop working with ICE. That came following GitHub's announcement of a $500,000 donation to nonprofit organizations in support of "immigrant communities targeted by the current administration." In that announcement, GitHub CEO Nat Friedman said ICE's purchase was made through one of GitHub's reseller partners and said the deal is not "financially material" for the company. Friedman also pointed out that ICE is responsible for more than immigration and detention facilities.
Last month, GitHub staff engineer Sophie Haskins resigned, stating she was leaving because the company did not cancel its contract with ICE, The Los Angeles Times reported. Last month, GitHub employees penned an open letter urging the company to stop working with ICE. That came following GitHub's announcement of a $500,000 donation to nonprofit organizations in support of "immigrant communities targeted by the current administration." In that announcement, GitHub CEO Nat Friedman said ICE's purchase was made through one of GitHub's reseller partners and said the deal is not "financially material" for the company. Friedman also pointed out that ICE is responsible for more than immigration and detention facilities.
Good. (Score:2, Insightful)
More triggered snowflake dead weight shed.
Re:Good. (Score:5, Insightful)
Gerrymandering (Score:2, Insightful)
Would you have said the same thing about cops housing down civil rights protestors in the 60s? How about when provisions of the Patriot Act were used to coordinate State and Federal authorities to shut down the Occupy Wall Street movement (look it up).
At a certain point the system is broken, and the only solution is protesting. Put social p
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Oh, my. I'm afraid that I'm compelled to "Godwin" myself. Many leaders of the Nazi party claimed they were "just following orders" as they slaughtered millions of innocent people, or people who were "convicted" of being Polish, These children are being abused.
While I may disagree with their politics, resigning from work that has changed and become unethical is unlike the illegal immigrant parents. Resigning from work that supports abuse is not only moral, but legal, and I'll applaud them for following thei
Re: Good. (Score:2)
Law enforcement agents have wide latitude in choosing how to enforce the law. That's why black people get arrested for the same crimes white people do at 8x the rate. The agents absolutely shoulder some of the blame.
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There are regulations how a custodian has to take care for children. And the ICE currently is the custodian of the children, while their parents being hold in prison. And if the ICE fails even minimum standards, like documenting the whereabouts of the legal caretakers of the children, providing for personal hygiene, the possibility to leave the facility under supervision, enough and balanced food and cl
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My dad used to work for a defence company (back in the 70s). He was working on a system to identify tanks on a battlefield so you could target missiles onto them.
One night, he got an anonymous note through the door that the Americans were looking to buy this technology so they could adapt it to target villages in Vietnam. Since he worked in defence and not weapons research, my dad quit (and was then black-balled for life by the MoD) - he also informed his team, who I believe all quit too.
The contractor in q
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Boomers encourage the kids to do this ... (Score:5, Insightful)
Ok boomer
LOL -- you think boomers are against the kiddies throwing a tantrum and quitting their jobs? Quite the opposite. These kiddies are making employers rethink the age discrimination against the boomers as all these positions open up. ;-)
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wow, you just stoop down to lame meme insults because someone is discussing the content of your post? Not only are you a shitty poster, you are a shitty person.
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> Sorry kiddo, ICE acts on behalf of the lawgivers of the US
The implementation and details of ICE practices are selected by the Executive branch of the US government, not the legislative branch. The immigration laws are written by legislative, and were signed by the executive branch. The segregation of children from their families and the confinement of children who cannot, themselves, be considered criminals is one _chosen_ the executive branch.
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In this case, the executive branch chose to enforce the law as they swore to do, instead of simply ignoring them.
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It's not treason to refuse to obey orders - just likely to get you a dishonorable discharge and maybe some prison time, and that only if you're in the military. You have to directly aid enemies of the nation to put treason charges on the table.
Your employer demanding you commit war crimes? Walk away. You're in the military and ordered to commit war crimes? Walk away.
It may not be easy. It may even come at great personal cost. But YOU are ultimately responsible for your actions - and if justice prevail
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Many were attempting to enter the country legally, at legal border crossings, and applying for asylum. That is not illegal and should not get one an indefinite state in detention.
Also this "crime" is minor. Some may claim it's high treason, but it's somewhat equivalent to tresspassing. Let the punishment fit the crime. On the other hand, there were rules requiring that children not be separated from their parents for longer than a certain duration. The current opposition ot ICE is not because they're pat
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Literally no one is saying asking asylum is illegal. The system is being overwhelmed on purpose by actors with obscure motivations.
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Really? People are intentionally showing up with the hopes of being incarcerated just for some obscure motivations? Maybe political? I think they're showing up looking for asylum. They used to show up looking for jobs of course, but the latest large wave from central America is about escaping violence. I can't see anything obscure here, and I doubt anyone else does unless they're following some sort of conspiracy theory.
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Of course lots of them are showing up hoping either they can avoid authorities or can falsely claim they seek asylum and then set free in the country.
I don’t think you know what seeking asylum is about. Hint: it is not about escaping gang related violence in your country.
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> escaping violence. I can't see anything obscure here
Such violence that they have been giving up their asylum claims [nytimes.com]. Our system is overburdened and slow. Sorry, if your claim is so flimsy that you give it up because it is taking too long (because it's overburdened) then I don't think your asylum claim had much merit.
These asylum laws came from WW2. So let's put this into context. Do you think the Jews would say "Fuckin it Nazi Germany is better than waiting for Switzerland to process our claim". Or wo
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No, its not, 90% are economic immigrants, of the remaining, they may be fleeing crime, but we also have crime. Crime is not a valid asylum justification. Should the people of Chicago be entitled to Asylum in Canada because Chicago is overrun with crime? Chicago and many other major american cities such as Miami and LA are filled with violence.
Re:Good. (Score:5, Interesting)
Decent people do not sneak into other countries, avoiding authorities.
I can assure you that if the life of my family is in danger, I will sneak them anywhere safe I can. That is the decent thing to do.
That is true whether they are in danger from the government or from gangs.
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There are so many things wrong with your post:
* you assume they have nowhere to go inside their own country
* also assume there’s nowhere to go in the next two or three countries the go through
* you assume all illegal aliens are people fleeing from gang violence when actually those illegal aliens include gang members!
* the law doesn’t get suspended just because you feel bad
* the US or any other country has no capacity to receive anyone that feels threatened. That’s why there are rules aroun
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I assume no such thing.
You provided an assertion: "Decent people do not sneak into other countries, avoiding authorities."
I provided a counterexample. I did not say anything about all or most or anything else, I simply said that if my family is in danger I will protect them, no matter the law.
Feel free to use walls and rules and camps to keep me out, but don't call me indecent for protecting my family.
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Again you are assuming the intentions of these people. Your reply is not a reply to my comment only. You want to insert it into the wider topic.
There are laws around political asylum and refuge. The US is still receiving them. Illegal aliens are not asylum seekers or refugees.
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> Illegal immigration is wrong in so many ways. It is indefensible.
Please excuse me, but _what_? Most illegal immigrants are merely poor. Some, far too many, are badly abused. Some, and once again far too many, are slaves, bartered and sold as property by their owners. All of those are morally and socially defensible reason to commit an illegal act.
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And let’s not forget about “who will pick my fruit?” or “who will clean my toilet?” or “but things will get more expensive if we follow the law when hiring!” totally not racist and valid reasons for illegal immigration.
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Ah, the vague "globalist" conspiracy theory where migration is encouraged in order to weaken developed nations... For some reason that usually involves Jews. You are obviously hoping people will read your commend and then fall down the rabbit hole via YouTube or something.
Or perhaps I'm wrong and you can elaborate on these obscure motivations you speak of. The ones that are powerful enough to motivate people to travel hundreds or thousands of miles and then risk incarceration and having their children perma
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Not only the travel thousands of miles. They cross two or three countries which are fine enough to protect them, as they have in the past. They also pay thousands of dollars to a smuggler. And all that to break the law in the country of their choosing.
Make no mistake. These are not desperate people. They are people taking advantage of YOUR weakness.
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Your understanding is very confused. Many of their adult family members are being held for prosecution as illegal immigrants.
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Job Prospects (Score:5, Insightful)
All that aside, I will give them kudos (and I think you should too) for actually standing up for their beliefs regardless of whether or not we agree with them. Too many people just keep their heads down and do nothing even when they're beyond fed up. Maybe it doesn't hurt them at all, or maybe they've burned a few too many bridges, but at least they'll have the satisfaction of acting in line with their consciences.
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"Fact-Checking Trump's Claim That He Didn't Start Family Separations at Border"
FALSE
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/0... [nytimes.com]
Re:Job Prospects (Score:5, Informative)
While previous administrations did break up families, it was rare...
So why are lying, rather than criticizing Trump's increased usage? It's just as easy, and would have the benefit of not being disproved by your own citation.
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NYT lying? I'm shocked.
This was 100% standard practice under Obama's administration. And it's standard practice for US citizens.
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"Under the policy, federal authorities separated children from parents or guardians with whom they had entered the US."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
There are more details about the cruelty instigated by the Trump administration on that page, along with a few hundred citations if you want to read more about it.
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There are more details about the cruelty instigated by the Trump administration on that page, along with a few hundred citations if you want to read more about it.
Yes but OBAMA used to be president. Obama Obama Obama. Also, Hilary existed. Checkmate, libs.
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The same article notes that the border officials had no plans for re-uniting children and parents. That's not an agency trying to help children, that's just simple cruelty.
Kelly, Nielsen, Miller and others are on record stating that the policy was aimed at deterrence, not preventing abuse. They had plenty of available means for determining family relationships other than id, ranging from interviews to dna tests, but they invoked none of them. That was because, as always, the cruelty was the point.
I've now
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All existing shared detention centers had been made illegal by court order near the end of Obama's term, so at the time the option was releasing the families or holding them separately.
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The same article notes that the border officials had no plans for re-uniting children and parents. That's not an agency trying to help children, that's just simple cruelty.
It's not the job of border officials(ICE) to do that, it becomes the job of DHS. It's almost like you don't even understand how your own government agencies work.
They had plenty of available means for determining family relationships other than id, ranging from interviews to dna tests, but they invoked none of them. That was because, as always, the cruelty was the point.
Oh? You mean it has nothing to do with the still out standing 200 odd cases trying to block all of those dating back before Trump. Wow...amazing. You should also start skipping wikipedia, especially when they take things out of context or use articles that cite MMFA as their primary source.
I've now read enough of your posting history to know that continuing a conversation with you is pointless.
Oh noes. Someone holds a contrary opinion, and instead of being able to defend it...I'm running away.
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Beliefs being the keyword. Too many people acting out on their beliefs as it is. Beliefs are like trends. People acted out on their beliefs (and still do in some parts of the world) and sacrificed babies, killed witches, and burned scientists when it was trendy to do so, nowdays not so much so nobody is "standing for their beliefs" today and burning witches.
Anyway... good thing. If she or whoever else wants to be an activist instead of being a programmer
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Beliefs being the keyword. Too many people acting out on their beliefs as it is.
I think that's the rub. There's a lot of people talking the talk on Twitter, but not a lot of people walking the walk, and yet here's some people who clearly did. But put it in perspective because how many hundreds or even hundreds of thousands talked a mad game, and how many did something about it, or even just anything at all beyond raising awareness on social media or something just as useless?
Let's put social signaling aside for a moment. I don't know any of these people so perhaps they're just idiot
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I'm not sure how I'd feel about someone applying for a job if I knew that they'd be likely to leave as soon as they company does business with someone they don't like. If I'm doing the interview, maybe I personally agree with them in this one particular instance, or maybe I don't, but even if I do, there's no guarantee that I would the next time.
But isn't this always a truth, for anyone and everyone?
Everyone has their line somewhere, we just often don't know where it is until you either get to know the person over time, or cross the line.
This group would just be one less unknown than someone else, although yes out of countless other unknowns.
All that aside, I will give them kudos (and I think you should too) for actually standing up for their beliefs regardless of whether or not we agree with them. Too many people just keep their heads down and do nothing even when they're beyond fed up. Maybe it doesn't hurt them at all, or maybe they've burned a few too many bridges, but at least they'll have the satisfaction of acting in line with their consciences.
Agreed!
Not everyone in the world is in a position to choose their morals and beliefs over their next paycheck, which is a sad situation but understandable why one in such a position would choose to keep their h
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Seems like an inefficient way to stick to their morality.
The actual contract might not have any effect on how ICE treats those detained, or may even have a positive effect. A more efficient ICE could end up detaining people for less time, or in better conditions. Or it could affect some completely unrelated area, such as identification and arrest of sex traffickers.
Without knowing more about how ICE is planning to use GitHub, you can't make a judgment about whether it's good or bad.
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Perhaps not. There is considerable competition in the hosted git repository world, and in the technical support of such a large business. Resigning from such work does not provide unemployment benefits, and it can take time for senior people to find an equivalent role. It can also lead to a lower position when recruiters see that you resigned for moral reasons. I've actually had that happen when I left a workplace for moral reasons, it cost me months of salary.
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I'd hire them. It's good to have people with a conscience on the team who will point out when things are unethical. Otherwise you end up spying on your customers, using dark patterns and generally abusing them for profit.
You have to draw a line somewhere. Some companies like Uber seem to have misplaced their crayon but that doesn't mean we all have to.
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You just made a whole load of assumptions about me which are not true. This is why it's so hard to have a conversation with you. You are talking to some imaginary version of me that only exists in your head, and you expect me to defend whatever you imagine I must think.
As it happens I tend to find that people with a developed sense of ethics can usually be reasoned with, so if there is any disagreement and I had to make a decision they didn't like they could at least understand why I made it and hopefully l
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If you conduct your business affairs with ethics and integrity... to include doing due diligence on vendors and partners, and rejecting the ones who have neither... then you'd have nothing to worry about. For my part, if I were running my own tech company, I sure as hell HOPE I'd never be blinded enough by the lure of filthy lucre from people like ICE to discard my own ethics, integrity, and belief that a company should "don't be evil" like Google has.
And candidates who've not only talk of ethics and integ
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Last I heard, the problem with "virtue signaling" was it was righteous posturing with no personal price being paid. Now that someone shows conviction by paying a personal price in terms of leaving a job, apparently that is even worse!
Occam's Razor suggests the underlying issue all along was that rightwingers have no testicles, but do like to complain about the many men and women who have bigger balls than them.
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Occam's Razor suggests the underlying issue all along was that rightwingers have no testicles, but do like to complain about the many men and women who have bigger balls than them.
Such a comment defies explanation or understanding. No wonder you post as AC.
Re:Triggered snowflakes (Score:5, Insightful)
That is not true at all.
A monk setting himself on fire is most certainly not virtue signalling, and an employee willing to give up his job to stand up for what he believes in is not virtue signalling.
If you are in doubt, follow this simple guideline. If it happens on Twitter or on a University campus -> Virtue signalling.
If someone pays the price for what they believe in -> Not virtue signalling.
I don't agree with those leaving GitHub for doing business with a federal agency, but I do believe they should get credit for actually standing for what they believe in, that is a rare quality these days.
Re:Job Prospects (Score:5, Insightful)
Quite simple. Those people choose to work in tech and not law enforcement or the war industrial complex. They do not want their efforts to contribute to human suffering, their choice, what do you not understand. A choice, their right to make it, they are not slaves to corporations, they are free people making a free choice for what ever reason they want to make it.
What is really likely is they are working upon the basis the corporation will get worse and worse, doing contracts for third world autocrats, working for police states being part of the cruel abuse of humanity, so they bailed early before it got worse, a quite reasonable choice.
They quite simply do no want suffering and death on their conscience.
Good deal (Score:2, Insightful)
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Going to post anon as I don't want this linked to me, but I seriously think every company should tell the employees they are doing contracts with ICE just so they can drop dangerously ideological employees from the payrolll.. a huge ticking time-bomb for any company, defused.
And if people quit, no need for severance! Win-Win!
Other dont have this issue (Score:3, Insightful)
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National ID's help, except for people who want to be criminals and prostitutes they tend to not go underground because it has become harder and more expensive to be able to work.
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Sure they do. For example look at how much tobacco companies operating in Europe pay for technical staff (mostly to do with vaping). It's way, way above market rate. A lot of people simply don't want to be involved with that and they have to offer money and benefits to overcome their moral objections.
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Doubt they will be missed (Score:5, Insightful)
Nobody mourns when the high maintenance people in the team quit.
You'd be surprised (Score:5, Insightful)
It's the lesser guys who are likely to keep their heads down. The ones that know they can't just go get another job.
Money where their mouth is (Score:5, Insightful)
People can complain or name-call about the reasons these staffers quit. But at least give them credit for sticking with their beliefs, even if they are different than your own. This issue is something they felt strongly about, they took action, and are willing to bear the consequences of their actions. Generally that's something to be applauded not mocked.
Re: Money where their mouth is (Score:2)
No, it really is not something to be applauded. Every totalitarian nightmare regime has crafted beliefs to make people do bad things. Every stupid thing every one of us has ever done was due to acting on incorrect beliefs. Standing up for these beliefs would only make us more stupid. More people need to focus on truth.
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So on one side we have a regime who puts children in cages. On the other side we have people standing up for their beliefs.
You are saying that it is the second group who is in the same group, despite this amazing sentence: "Every totalitarian nightmare regime has crafted beliefs to make people do bad things."
Yes, the totalitarian nightmare regime has indeed crafted beliefs to make people do bad things.
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You and other people pointing this out are being modded "troll". That suggests that some people, who can't comment because they need to try to censor your message. Thus we can only speculate as to why they feel you are a troll.
I'd really appreciate if someone modding people as troll could post some AC comments explaining this.
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Yes, people standing up for what they believe in should be applauded... know what else some people believe in? Slaughter of others... you going to applaud the Nazi for standing up for what they believe in?
Don't speak in platitudes, they are never right for good reasons. There are all sorts of people that stand up for what they believe in and what they believe in is just wrong or just a farce... like this person.
People should be applauded for "doing the right thing" not for standing up for what they believ
Re:Money where their mouth is (Score:5, Insightful)
You are literally comparing the people who DON'T want children in cages to Nazis.
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"But at least give them credit for sticking with their beliefs"
Not to Godwin this all to hell, but the Nuremburg trials were full of people who "stuck with their beliefs" to the bitter end, as was the Jim Jones compound in Guyana, the David Koresh compound that went up in flames etc etc.
Fervent belief is not, ipso facto, something I applaud. It's generally a sign of what might be called "fucking crazy" in most contexts EVEN IF I AGREE WITH THEIR PRINCIPLES.
ICE is evil (Score:2, Informative)
Fuck borders and laws and logic and shit.
Where will they go ? (Score:2)
Holy shit, what's GitHub going to do (Score:3, Funny)
Holy shit, what's GitHub going to do without (checks the post) Alice Goldfuss. They surely are doomed now. The walls are closing in!
Why does ICE need that much Github support? (Score:2)
Quick! (Score:2)
Somebody clone GitHub before it goes offline!
The Antidote to SJW cancer (Score:2, Insightful)
This is actually pretty clever (Score:3)
There are many companies out there right now who would like to get rid of the SJW cancer. They'd be well advised to sign some contracts with ICE, Pentagon and perhaps do some work on the Southern Wall. Even if those contracts do not make any money it'll still be worth it in increased productivity.
Re:The Antidote to SJW cancer (Score:4)
Red Hat became infected with systemd. As an expert developer, I might have preferred SJW politics.
Why don't they protest Western Civilization? (Score:2)
Western Civilization is based on slavery and exploitation of the poor. Why not leave the West and go somewhere that lives up to their principles? You know, like utopia.
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Or, perhaps, every Marxist regime? Where the borders are closed to keep people _in_?
Economic tourism vs. legitimate asylum (Score:2)
A big part of the problem is that, in many ways, both sides want the same thing, it's just been collated to increase polarization. To lump economic tourists together with legitimate asylum seekers, however, pretty much shuts down any capability for rational discourse. Consider also the legitimate asylum seekers and the families that may be in real danger who will now be much harder to identify and filter out from the people who are not in danger, but at simply looking to improve their situation in life. In
How many use Windows? (Score:2)
How many of these people use Windows? Microsoft has tons of government contracts. What about Apple's abusive labor practices and shoddy environmental footprint?
Do what you will, but I imagine these people are signalling virtue more than they are trying to fix anything.
ICE (Score:2)
yes, yes, we get it, Internal Combustion Engines are bad for the env, we should all go electric. jeez...
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If they don't like it (Score:2)
they can (and are) going to work elsewhere. I think people should quit their jobs because Democrat or Republican leaning people work there. Hey lets make everything about political agendas! Fuck it! Lets just nuke the world until it glows and solve all of the worlds problems at once. The earth will recover fine without the stupidity of the human race.
As to be expected... (Score:3)
So how did they solve this issue of a lot of new hires needing mentoring and most of the "old hands" not being allowed to mentor them? Simple. They just stopped having experienced workers mentor new hires altogether. This is apparently what lead to even Coraline Ada coming to the conclusion that management has just plain lost the plot with their equity and social justice company policies and decided it was time to get out of this madhouse.
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Who is Coraline Ada? With a strange and dated name like that I automatically assume she is a time traveler who legally changed her last name to be Ada Lovelace's first name.
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Primadonna devs are the worst.
Oh they really are. And their egos are way way too fragile to make such a bold action as walking out and risk no one caring.
I'd hire this person: this is not the action of a primadonna. She walked rather than sticking around. It's also what you get if you want proper engineers over code monkeys. Engineering ethics is part of every course and as a pro, you're expected to put ethics above your employer. You keep your 10x agile scrum coders, I'll have the actual engineers.
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I'd not hire them without reviewing the reasons for their departure. Resigning because their old company was not "inclusive" enough is a sign that your company may spend a lot of time catering to their politics. I've encountered a particular person in the interview process, and the last time contacted transgender colleagues from their last workplace. They said "she's a trans-gender fag hag". I was *shocked* that even the transgender people were tired of this person, rejected their pronouns, and absolutely r
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ICE are doing their Job as assigned by the Federal Government. Any issue and get the Dem house to prepare a bill that will go to Congress to reform immigration. However Dems don't want to do that. As for guilt I cannot see what you are talking about, ICE guilty of doing a great job. I am guessing when you say no fooling anybody you are excluding yourself as you seem wound up in some sort of
There's nothing wrong here. (Score:2)
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So who is the Bully here? The people quitting perhaps trying to bully their company into doing what they want I guess.
If that's you're standard for "bullying" then OMFG are you ever one delicate, thin-skinned snowflake.
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I've heard of really bad bosses say that quitting is "bullying" and "harmful" to the company as a way of discouraging it. It's you basic abusive relationship stuff, "if you leave me I'll be devastated/harm myself" kind of thing.
I think that may actually be what the GP wants. I've noticed a lot of people arguing that taking a stand on your principals is doing harm so you shouldn't.
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