UK Made Illegal Copies and Mismanaged Schengen Travelers Database (zdnet.com) 59
Authorities in the United Kingdom have made unauthorized copies of data stored inside a EU database for tracking undocumented migrants, missing people, stolen cars, or suspected criminals. From a report: Named the Schengen Information System (SIS), this is a EU-run database that stores information such as names, personal details, photographs, fingerprints, and arrest warrants for 500,000 non-EU citizens denied entry into Europe, over 100,000 missing people, and over 36,000 criminal suspects. The database was created for the sole purpose of helping EU countries manage access to the passport-free Schengen travel zone. The UK was granted access to this database in 2015, even if it's not an official member of the Schengen zone. Further reading: EU Votes To Create Gigantic Biometrics Database.
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That's not how a contract works, sorry kiddo.
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brexit get's them out all of the contracts
Re:sounds like this was for a valid purpose (Score:5, Insightful)
"All they have to do is change the law to make this legal."
The EU has to change the law so that a leaving member is no longer a criminal?
Fat chance.
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Leaving the EU does not make a country criminal. It's like a divorce, in that it's understandable that both sides end up a bit grumpy at times. The only sticking right now where they're disagreeing is in whether or not the need border controls at the only land border between the UK and EU.
Everybody in EU know that UK spies on behalf of US (Score:1)
Therefore no much news here.
UK was never a real member of the EU: opt-out list is longer than EU Treaties.
Likely Brexit is just to avoid sanctions and become finally a US colony.
Five Eyes? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Just one problem with that... Snowden revealed that several other EU countries are involved with surveillance to a significant degree. Specifically, he named two groups:
Nine eyes: Five eyes plus Denmark, France, Norway, and the Netherlands
Fourteen eyes: Nine eyes plus Germany, Belgium, Italy, Spain, and Sweden
Israel is, of course, an observer to the five eyes, so they benefit from the surveillance as well. And there is an agreement between the US and Israel to provide information about Americans to ISNU.
The real reason for BEXIT (Score:5, Insightful)
Here is the real reason for politicians pushing BREXIT: they don't want to be constrained by EU laws that grant rights to citizens.
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"over 100,000 missing people" became illegal citizens by virtue of, what, failing to check in with Constable Bob?
"This meant UK officials wouldn't know in time if a person was removed from SIS, resulting in unnecessary detainments..." of people who checked in with Constable Bob late, but are no longer missing, but now they're illegal so f-'em.
Re:The real reason for BEXIT (Score:4, Insightful)
If you think the EU grants rights to its citizens, you are sorely mistaken. The EU or any government for that matter can only take away rights, you already have all the rights you will get when you are born, hence why the US constitution is written the way it is - a constraint on which rights the government can infringe upon.
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That's the American model. In Europe the government grants rights, such as the right to an education, the right to basic healthcare, the right to shelter. All things that he state is obligated to provide.
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If you think the EU grants rights to its citizens, you are sorely mistaken. The EU or any government for that matter can only take away rights, you already have all the rights you will get when you are born, hence why the US constitution is written the way it is - a constraint on which rights the government can infringe upon.
Actually it's you that is sorely mistaken. As EU citizens we have many rights under the European Convention on Human Rights [wikipedia.org] and the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights [europa.eu].
Even before the Brexit referendum ministers in the UK's Conservative government were openly talking about withdrawing the UK from the EHCR [theguardian.com]. Theresa May [wikipedia.org] (then Home Secretary [wikipedia.org]) complained that "The ECHR can bind the hands of parliament", as indeed any charter of rights should. Chris Grayling [wikipedia.org] (then Justice Minister) claimed that the ECHR may have be
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"Here is the real reason for politicians pushing BREXIT: they don't want to be constrained by EU laws that grant rights to citizens."
The EU started off as a basic economic cooperative.. the Coal and Steel community... and mutated into a Superpower-wannabe that micromanages its member states. Brits are sick of having to "Mother, May I?" to Brussels when they want to do something that any sovereign state should be able to do. The Brits are the first to leave the EU, but they won't be the last. Sooner or later
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That is not how EU started, from the beginning it was a political project to stop a new war in Europe.
The chosen tool originally was economics, but the focus has always been prevention of another great war starting from european reasons like WW1 and WW2.
As for Brits, it is not so much that they are sick of being told things by EU, as they are not. It is really a combination of a couple of things.
The first big thing is that UK never fully got involved in the EU being the "keep peace in Europe", instead seein
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Hint: only one of them is blond, and the other one can play the guitar.
Are you the devil?
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Europe's history is long and full of wars. This relatively modern era of deciding to cooperate instead of killing each other is a good thing and should be encouraged. The UK is basically in a position of having lost a major empire yet doesn't want to be seen as just another country that's no more or less special than any other (much like Russia). Never mind that Scotland and Wales voted Remain because they see themselves as too often asking "mother may I?" to London.
I do think however that the EU grew too
If you put it in a database, assume compromise (Score:1, Troll)
There is no real reason to put all this stuff in a database other than trying to publish it. Obviously, since the UK is not part of the Schengen accords, they have no obligation to follow the rules around Schengen.
Also, databases are not copyrightable, therefore the copies are not illegal. Moreover, the UK has authority over everything within the UK since it belongs to the Queen, the laws, including the EU's are advisory at best to the UK government and now that they're leaving they have no obligation other
Repeat after me (Score:4)
"Any data collected will at some point be used for something other than its state purposes"
This is a universal truth. Which is why any time any politician suggests collecting data, registering anything, making lists, tracking ... etc we would be hesitant and skeptical. I am not saying we should avoid all data collection that is insane and would be crippling; but the standard needs to be that the anticipated benefits exceed the cost of the worst abuses. We should start with the presumption the words abuses will occur, because so far the evidence is safeguards delay but do not prevent those abuses.
We should also strongly consider a constitutional amendment that requires all federal statutes that mandate any kind of data collection or registration also have provisions for data destruction and clearly identified limits on retention.
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Should probably start with adding privacy as an inalienable to the consitution before adding a lot of prescriptive laws about what can or cannot be done with data collection. Otherwise what you get is that anything not explicitly covered by the laws will be considered fair game to exploit by the government. But if privacy is recognized as a right then any loophole in the laws will have a safety net that errs on the side of the citizens.
EU should demand it be removed (Score:2)
After all, not a member, no data.
And flag all British travellers as "Fromage-en-tete"
Undocumented migrants? (Score:1)
What is an undocumented migrant?
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What is an undocumented migrant?
man migrant
No manual entry for migrant
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