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Tulsi Gabbard, Democratic Presidential Candidate, Sues Google For $50 Million Over Suspension of Ad Account (usatoday.com) 236

Representative Tulsi Gabbard, the long-shot presidential candidate from Hawaii, is suing Google for infringing on her free speech (alternative source) when it briefly suspended her campaign's advertising account after the first Democratic debate in June. The lawsuit, filed on Thursday in a federal court in Los Angeles, is seeking damages of at least $50 million. It's believed to be the first time a presidential candidate has sued a major technology firm. The New York Times reports: Tulsi Now Inc., the campaign committee for Ms. Gabbard, said Google suspended the campaign's advertising account for six hours on June 27 and June 28, obstructing its ability to raise money and spread her message to potential voters. After the first Democratic debate, Ms. Gabbard was briefly the most searched-for candidate on Google. Her campaign wanted to capitalize on the attention she was receiving by buying ads that would have placed its website at the top of search results for her name. The lawsuit also said the Gabbard campaign believed its emails were being placed in spam folders on Gmail at "a disproportionately high rate" when compared with emails from other Democratic candidates. Ms. Gabbard and her campaign are seeking an injunction against Google from further meddling in the election and damages of at least $50 million.
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Tulsi Gabbard, Democratic Presidential Candidate, Sues Google For $50 Million Over Suspension of Ad Account

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  • Merits aside... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by mackil ( 668039 ) <movie@moviesound[ ]ps.net ['cli' in gap]> on Thursday July 25, 2019 @03:52PM (#58986720) Homepage Journal
    That's one way, albeit a long shot one, to raise campaign funds.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      That's one way, albeit a long shot one, to raise campaign funds.

      It's actually counterproductive. If she's at all serious about this suit she'll have to pay significant legal fees to pursue it, and the odds of a case like this being decided (in her favor) before the primaries are virtually nil.

      I'd be surprised if she realistically sees this as anything beyond a publicity stunt.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        Why? There's mountains of evidence that Google skews results in their favor, politically or otherwise. One of their engineers got put on leave just this week for acknowledging it.

        • Because in the US platforms have the right to censor anyone for any reason.
          Very different from Europe, where governments have the right to attack platforms if they do something the government doesn't like.
          Somehow there's people who think giving the US government the right to attack these platforms will be used for good.
          I think cases like Manning, Snowden and Assange show how that power will be used in reality.
          • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

            by Anonymous Coward

            Pretty sure them denying Tulsi's ad account is flat out illegal. Same reason the TV cannot deny political ads even if they don't like them

            https://www.broadcastlawblog.com/2012/01/articles/why-broadcasters-have-to-air-political-attack-ads-even-if-they-dont-want-to/

            • by Zmobie ( 2478450 )

              Problem is that Google isn't a broadcasting or press entity. Lot of those regulations don't apply to them because they are merely an aggregator. Not saying that they shouldn't have some of those regulations applied to them, but this is the problem with giving large entities free reign...

          • by Uberbah ( 647458 )

            Because in the US platforms have the right to censor anyone for any reason.

            That's ignoring abusive monopolies, along with the fact that the US government has both ordered tech companies to censor, along with telling them who to censor with government-funded think tanks like the Atlantic Council.

      • If she's at all serious about this suit she'll have to pay significant legal fees to pursue it

        These sorts of lawsuits never go to trial. She is getting some attention, and Google will agree to make some sort of statement agreeing not to do it again, giving her even more attention.

        She is a long-shot candidate, and most voters have never heard of her, so any visibility is good.

        • She is less than a long-shot candidate. Bernie is currently a long-shot candidate. Gabbard is so far in the weeds she should grab some Roundup(TM) before she disappears completely.

          I wish most of the idiot "less than long-shot candidates" (that includes you, Yang, Booker, Williamson, et al.) would drop out and stop making the race so cacophonous that no one can hear anything. All they're doing at this point is parroting the policies of more likely candidates and clogging the pipes. But their giant egos are

          • by Zmobie ( 2478450 )

            Unlikely that this is them "blowing it" given this happens damn near every cycle to one party or the other. The Republican party had a massive field, ended up with the longest of long shot candidates and he fucking won (much to many people's chagrin). It just looks this way right now because the party has so much noise, but I promise you only those directly in politics or the most die-hard followers of it are paying that much attention. The field will clear our close to the general election and it'll all

            • The Republican party had a massive field, ended up with the longest of long shot candidates and he fucking won

              Trump was never a long shot. He soared to the top of the polls as soon as he announced his candidacy.

              • Neither the polls nor the primary system are democratic when they allow a candidate disliked by eg 60% to win.

                • The problem is Hillary supporters cluster together in a handful of states.

                  Trumpâ(TM)s electoral victory was far from close - it was a clear, decisive decision.

                  BTW, the system is fine - somehow Bill Clinton and Barrack Obama got elected, itâ(TM)s not âthe systemâ(TM)s faultâ(TM) that Hillary and Al Gore lost - they sucked as candidates.

              • Trump âoewonâ due to billions of dollars worth of free publicity from mainstream media and thanks to a massive effort from Russia to subvert America's âoefree and fairâ elections (ignore the voter disenfranchisement, election fraud, and gerrymandering).

              • He soared to the top of the polls as soon as he announced his candidacy.

                He sure did, by paying to have them hacked. [wsj.com]

            • by dcw3 ( 649211 )

              "he fucking won" because he got $2 Billion worth of free media. Nobody else is ever going to get that. He also won because the remaining 16 candidates were splitting the polls. Had any one or two of them been running against Trump, we'd have a different president.

          • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

            So the corporate media lies continue. The most ill favoured candidate Slimey Joe Biden but not according to corporate main stream media or corporate polls, I WONDER FUCKING WHY. The most hated candidate by corporate main stream media and of course the big tech companies and the war induustrial complex Tulsi Gabbard, hence why corporate main stream media and corporate polls rate Tulsi the lowest, a straight up corporate lie, just propaganda. Keep saying Slimey Joe is popular and not matter how UNPOPULAR he i

        • ... and most voters have never heard of her.

          Guess why that might be so...

          • by dcw3 ( 649211 )

            ... and most voters have never heard of her.

            Guess why that might be so...

            Because she's a virtual nobody? Seriously, how many US representatives do you know, especially those who've only been there for a few years?

      • That's one way, albeit a long shot one, to raise campaign funds.

        It's actually counterproductive. If she's at all serious about this suit she'll have to pay significant legal fees to pursue it, and the odds of a case like this being decided (in her favor) before the primaries are virtually nil.

        I'd be surprised if she realistically sees this as anything beyond a publicity stunt.

        That was my first thought, until I put myself into politic mode: A publicity stunt that may lead to national coverage on the evening news & interwebs, all free advertising for her campaign.

        • That was my first thought, until I put myself into politic mode: A publicity stunt that may lead to national coverage on the evening news & interwebs

          As opposed to the non-tautological sort of publicity stunt?

      • Sorry to ruin your fantasies, snowflakes. Truth hurts sometimes, I know.

    • Re:Merits aside... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by lgw ( 121541 ) on Thursday July 25, 2019 @04:06PM (#58986840) Journal

      Google needs to face some consequences for blatant sabotage of political candidates they don't like. (Facebook too.)

      I'm not sure if she has legal ground for this suit, but if she doesn't then Congress should damn well create one. America's single biggest problem IMO is the power large corporations have over politics. And it's bad enough just with the old-school campaign donations, the last thing we need is yet another avenue for corporate control!

      • Google needs to face some consequences for blatant sabotage of political candidates they don't like.

        This is more likely a case of Hanlon's Razor [wikipedia.org]. The surge in hits likely triggered some automatic spam detection heuristic.

        Why would Google dislike Tulsi Gabbard? She is a generic progressive Democrat.

        • by apol ( 94049 )

          Yes, Google has a nice excuse. Yes, many people will find it plausible. I won't.

          For me it's clear that Tulsi's bold, unique anti-war platform will put the whole corporate America against her.

      • Why? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Thursday July 25, 2019 @05:43PM (#58987444)
        Does Google not have the right to freedom of association? That said, if your argument is that Google wields too much power I'm OK with that, but that's what anti-trust law is for.

        As for corporate power, you're right about that, they're our ruling class. Take a look sometime at who sits on the board of directors for major companies, it's the same few people. The way to reign them in is to take power away from them, and, well, that means regulation and taxes. But remember, that power doesn't go away. You need to work to spread it around. That means stronger voting rights including things like mandatory voting (the best way to end voter suppression) and declaring voting a universal right (yes, that means prisoners get to vote, if we've got so many ax murders and pedophiles that they're swinging elections maybe we need to fix that first).

        This also means wealth redistribution, because money is power. I'm no communist (they never get past the "dictator" part in the "dictatorship of the proles") but we need high minimum wages, universal healthcare and tuition free college and large scale federal jobs programs (we've got one in all 50 states, it's called the Military Industrial Complex, but we'd be much better off with the Green New Deal). In other words, instead of supply side economics (aka "trickle down") we do demand side economics. I've said it before and I'll say it again: companies don't hire and pay because they've got money, they do it to meet demand.

        Bottom line: Money is power. The more money somebody has the more power they have. If you want somebody to have less power you've got to take away some of their money. Once you do that you've got to worry about what to do with all that money (power) that you took away. This is the hard work of having a free society, but if we don't do it then we just end up with oligarchy of one kind or another. And I don't care if the jackboot on my neck is public or private, it's still a jackboot.
        • by lgw ( 121541 )

          Does Google not have the right to freedom of association?

          No, it damn well does not. The owners of Google are a collection of strangers with no uniting political objective. And a corporation per se has not one right. Any right Google has can only be rights of its owners.

          That said, if your argument is that Google wields too much power I'm OK with that, but that's what anti-trust law is for.

          Current anti-trust law doesn't cover this, But it should.

          This also means wealth redistribution, because money is power.

          In the US, for the most part, wealth redistribution requires only patience. There is almost no tradition "old rich" aristocracy, and very few rich people have rich great-grandkids.

          Oh, there's a little, the richest 100 families are a real

          • then we're OK with forcing a baker to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple then, right?

            But that's not really a fair comparison, since many jurisdictions make sexuality a protected class. Are we ready to make political affiliation a protected class?

            Also it's easy to be patient when you're doing quite well, which I suspect you are. It's much harder when you're one of the 35,000 Americans who will die of treatable illnesses, or if you're the parent of one.

            But moreover we're at levels of wealth ineq
            • by lgw ( 121541 )

              Can you see the difference between a publicly traded corporation with no uniting purpose other than profit, and a person? It's kind of important, no?

              Also it's easy to be patient when you're doing quite well,

              99% of Americans live better than 95% of everyone who has ever lived.

              But moreover we're at levels of wealth inequality

              And yet, more people have some (non-trivial) wealth in 21st century America than most places and times across history.

              I get that you don't care about any of this, and just want to lnych those damn richers, but it's better to focus on increasing the wealth of the average guy (which is a matter

          • by Uberbah ( 647458 )

            There is almost no tradition "old rich" aristocracy, and very few rich people have rich great-grandkids.

            How many hundreds of years do you think it will be before a Walton has to sink or swim in the economy with the rest of us shlubs? The brats don't have to be individually rich to be exempt from the struggle to make a living.

            • by lgw ( 121541 )

              Your envy is palpable. It's not healthy. Good for them, the fewer people who need ot work for a living, the better.

              Sam Walton did not arrange for a single grand-kid to get his entire fortune, rather, he divided it 3 ways IIRC. That's all that's needed. If wealth disperses to an exponentially growing number of people over time, that's ideal.

              • by Uberbah ( 647458 )

                Your envy is palpable.

                Translation: "I have no response to the point you just made, so I'm going to project some butthurt and engage in lazy hand waiving". If you weren't blowing smoke up your own ass, you'd be pointing out how Vanderbilt scion Anderson Cooper was homeless for a year before getting his start at Channel One which lead to his current CNN digs. You know, if that sort of thing actually happened.

          • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

            In the US, for the most part, wealth redistribution requires only patience. There is almost no tradition "old rich" aristocracy, and very few rich people have rich great-grandkids.

            Seems not though.

            https://www.theatlantic.com/ed... [theatlantic.com]

    • by taustin ( 171655 )

      That was my thought.

      The most hilarious outcome would be for Google to provide conclusive proof that a) her campaign emails were, in fact, ending up in spam folders, because b) they were manually marked as spam by the recipients.

    • Or an ingenious way to white-wash a HUGE illegal campaign contribution...

      âoeItâ(TM)s not a bribe, itâ(TM)s a settlement from a lawsuit!â

      $50M for a 6 hour outage?

  • Him/her not being able to win the primaries. I have just realised that I do not even know if this candidate is male or female or at any other point of the spectrum, that is all Google's fault, naturally.
  • but this is a publicity stunt.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      It would be cooler if the summary included a WHY - or even a possible why it suspended the account.

    • She seems to not understand the rules that govern her current position very well. Not sure that speaks good things about how she would perform in higher office.

      • she's doing this to put Google et al on notice for other candidates. This is not going to endear her to google, but it might mean they can do less of this crap to folks like Liz Warren and Bernie Sanders. Tulsi has no chance of winning. She doesn't have the funds, she's not willing to sell out like a Pete Buttigeig, Joe Biden or Kamala Harris and her polls are too low. Anything she's doing now is for long term strategic reasons.
  • ...at least understood that the First Amendment only places limitations on what the government can do..

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Roodvlees ( 2742853 )
      Not really though, it's just a piece of paper.
      Lincoln violated the constitution and amendments in almost every way possible.
      At the end of his mass murder campaign every journalist that opposed him and many more people had been imprisoned.
      He massively increased the power of governments, the politicians who inherited this power wanted to keep it.
      So they invented the propaganda that the war was in order to abolish slavery.
      Turns out terrorism works, even today conservatives celebrate Lincoln as a hero.
      Whi
      • by Uberbah ( 647458 )

        So they invented the propaganda that the war was in order to abolish slavery.

        Propaganda about propaganda. And all your whining about Lincoln is insignificant next to the evil that was slavery. So fuck off.

        • So ending one slavery, while at the same time putting the whole country into slavery of another kind, that's ok! Got it!
  • by Anonymous Coward

    No surprise there.

  • I guess she should have stayed in her lane instead of challenging Google's preferred candidates.

  • Unfortunately corporations don't have to follow your First Amendment rights, or any rights granted by the Constitution. This is how the government gets your data without the requirement of a search warrant.
  • Google is now a branch of the federal government? This will certainly come as a surprise to them!

  • ...despite being on the same political side, Democrats are going to eventually figure out that maybe having all your internets delivered by one giant mega firm might be something we should avoid.

    Sort of the digital variation on Harvard McClain's quote "A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take away everything that you have"...

  • 'nuf said....

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Ms Gabbard depends upon zero PAC or corporate funds. So this period likely disabled her to get a bunch of funds.

    Watch her on Joe Rogan. She's articulate and principled.

    I suspect she was turned off by a Googler who, like this NYT whacko, had zero clue about Tulsi

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-05/watch-jimmy-dore-dismantle-nyt-journo-after-failed-tulsi-gabbard-hit-job

    • "I suspect she was turned off by a Googler who, like this NYT whacko, had zero clue about Tulsi"

      It doesn't matter why. Someone/several/something at Google cut off a valid, recognized political candidate's ad account, a plain example of interference. Only the motive is in question, and it really doesn't matter. why. It's interference.

      Google et al should be made to prove their actions, positive or negative, are NOT in-kind contributions to campaigns. If they cannot, and I submit they cannot, their options are

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  • Google wants the 'platform' protections of the Communications Decency Act section 230. But Google has been deciding who is and isn't permitted to use its 'platform' arguably based upon arbitrary and capricious standards.

    A court could easily decide this makes them a publisher, which opens up a YUGE can of legal worms.

    • by uncqual ( 836337 )

      If Google were to be classified as a publisher, yes it would open up a huge can of legal worms. BUT, it would shut the door on this case even more quickly than it will be shut anyway. A publisher has great latitude to filter, select, curate, omit, emphasis whatever they want so Google could, using their Free Speech right (and, possibly, their Freedom of Press right) just tell Gabbard to pound sand - just as they can tell the KKK they won't run ads for their next cross burning.

  • Either the snake eats itself, or the industry electioneering is fully exposed.

    I prefer the latter, since it leads to people abandoning the movement this electioneering supports, but the better/more effective solution is for the movement to kill itself with internal bickering and one-upmanship.

    Either way, then I'll be left contemplating my own, chosen, entirely ineffective congressional political leadership. Bleagh.

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