Facial Recognition May Be Banned From Public Housing Thanks To Proposed Law (cnet.com) 76
Lawmakers in Congress are expected to introduce landmark legislation this week that will ban facial recognition technology from public housing. Called the No Biometric Barriers to Housing Act, the proposed bill would prohibit housing units that receive funding from the Department of Housing and Urban Development from using technology like facial recognition. It would also require HUD to submit a report on facial recognition, detailing its impact on public housing units and their tenants. CNET reports: This would be the first federal bill that looks at what technology landlords can impose on tenants. While the law would only affect HUD housing, it could raise awareness for a broader set of landlords and tenants, and it comes as people are increasingly questioning the threats to privacy that stem from facial recognition. The only other federal bill on facial recognition is the Commercial Facial Recognition Privacy Act, introduced in March by Sens. Roy Blunt, a Republican from Missouri, and Brian Schatz, a Democrat from Hawaii. There also aren't any laws on technology that landlords can impose on tenants. More than 20,000 homes in the last two years have been converted into smart homes by landlords, even as tenants complain about privacy concerns and issues with faulty locks.
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While I'm not a fan of spreading of facial recognition pretty much at all.....IF they are going to allow it, I would think that public housing would be the FIRST place they'd want it, to make sure that it is only approved people going in/out of there.
This could help identify and track gang member movement.
These are high crime areas, if any place n
In HUD funded Public housing it should be required (Score:1, Insightful)
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First, they came for public housing...
I know. Slippery slope and all that, yet, it seems like the government, hereafter known as PTB (Powers That Be), so often begins the assault on civil liberties against the people beneath the most of us.
"Why should that idiot have the rights?" quickly becomes "How did we get so many idiots." Each, and every time.
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And don't just say "they should get better jobs" it's not generally that simple. Better jobs are often not available and/or people
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Simple fix, get a job and stop living off my taxes.
Or even better, work hard and buy your own property. Then you will learn how infringed your rights already are and feel truly stupid for suggesting this was the start of a slippery slope.
Thank you for your kind words,
but, to
make cameras with facial recognition mandatory at all exits and entrances
well, that's every Stasi-inspired gov'ts wet dream of voluntary public surveillance.
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Is there fraud? Sure. But there's a lot less than you think. And not the kind that facial recognition is going to fix.
public housing can't ban you right to an gun (Score:2)
public housing can't ban you right to an gun
Meanwhile in China... (Score:1)
... you jaywalk, you get thrown out of your rented "smart" home due to "low social credit". Not that you'd notice, as you can't even get to the place any longer, or at least not by PT.
It's easy to imagine this being horribly abused. But what if you'd change the deal? Instead of using it as a door lock, use it as a charging mechanism. Stay overnight, get charged, by the face. Of course, if you're not home for two weeks straight, that's your two weeks notice and they'll let whoever walks up next in and take t
That's OK (Score:2)
We are chipping all of our hobos.
Am I missing something? (Score:2)
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I ask you, do you also ask your tenants for a list of all visitors?
Facial recognition doesn't ask, it peers out the window as they enter and exit the building just like anyone else in the building could do if they wanted to.
Do you ask your tenants for all a list of all the people who may come for a visit to see how they are or drop in for a cup of coffee and a quick chat, or to ensure their friend, family member is ok?
Facial recognition doesn't know (or care) why you are in the area.
Do you ask your tenants for all a list of all the people who may come over and have a meal with them?
Facial recognition doesn't care who you dine with, and again, it doesn't "ask" anything, it silently, unobtrusively keeps an eye on the common area.
Do you ask your tenants for all a list of all the people they are dating?
Facial recognition has no interest or idea why you visit anyone or why anyone visits you.
Facial Recognition would do this.
Facial recognition would do almost none of this.
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whoooooooooosh
My point it is the intrusion of privacy.
The landlord shouldn't get a list of someones guests.
I just listed a few legitimate non-overnight guests, that the landlord has no right in knowing who is coming to visit.
I'd even say that the landlord has no right to even know who an overnight guests is (unless the lease agreement says only x people allowing to stay in the dwelling).
Facial recognition would list who came and when, this is not a sticky beak neighbor looking out their door and writing it
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A somewhat simple minded response, Ken.
"Facial recognition has no interest or idea why you visit anyone or why anyone visits you."
Facial recognition is useless without the database of identities. Each (or most) face is linked to the database. That, in turn, is linked to other databases: criminal records, etc. Any results that meet a 'person of interest' criteria results in a flag and a printed report, shared with chosen parties. Just like the doorbell spy system, this is a way for authorities to benefit fro
Re: Landlord Discrimination (Score:2)
We are talking public housing, not private - think apartment buildings, not private residences. (we donâ(TM)t fund private rentals with HUD money)
We are talking about cameras in the common areas, not every door. That gets expensive fast - $300/unit or more?
It is a non-trivial task to build lists of overnight guests per apartment from a few security cameras in the lobby - thatâ(TM)s what the OP claimed would happen.
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Every landlord isn't going to jump on facial recognition ($350 locks vs $20)
The issue isn't public housing with $350 "smart locks", the issue is facial recognition in the lobby of public housing apartment building.
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Err...what biometric data do YOU have to give for your drivers license?!?!?
I've never had to give any, other than a picture which I don't really consider biometric.
. expected to introduce landmark legislation . (Score:1)
They are welcome to introduce this legislation but -
Republicans and the president will stop it; reverse it, making it mandatory. Especially if there are any 'people of color' on the property. Landlords will not only put up cameras, they'll be required to share their footage with the administration's jackboot footsoldiers.
You can bet all the Trump properties are wired with cameras and microphones. By many agencies, domestic and foreign. Possibly even by the Trump organization.
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Ha-Ha - jokes on them. Facial recognition is notoriously poor with people of color.
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Don't thank them, facial recognition would also track politicians and corrupt corporate executives and their enforcers and they could not figure out how to fuck over the rest of us without fucking over themselves. Facial recognition is cheap thanks to a much smarter design and everyone can access and share it information, those at the bottom as much as those at the top. Hence the ban, not to protect us but to protect the corrupt at the top.
Just to be clear... (Score:1)
The same folks that insist that we don't need any 14th century solutions (walls) on the southern US border, instead calling for AI and "smart" technology as a 21st century solution are demanding that HUD-sponsored housing eschew 21st century security measures?
Seems odd.
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Walls don't work. They look impressive and intuitively, it looks like it should work. But they don't.
Because they're easy to go around. Or more specifically, over. And not "we'll build it another 100 feet higher - no ladder is that tall" over. I'm talk
Facebook banned from public housing? (Score:2)
Aww, what a shame. I thought the article said *Facebook* is banned from public housing...
You still need a card to get in (Score:2)
Most of these places use a mag-stripe reader or RFID card. There is already a record of every person's access. The cards are usually pretty generic looking and shared among family members.
Further, halfway houses and shelters use an RFID card with the assigned owner's picture on them.
Does this eliminate rights?? (Score:2)
Does that mean that a resident can't install a doorbell that uses facial recognition??
Or just the owner of the building.
Just wondering....
And no .. I didn't read the article. Because I don't care, I'll never live there. I've got a boat I'll move into before every moving into government support housing. It's safer. And I have more rights.
Bill is DOA (Score:2)
Reps. Yvette Clarke, a Democrat from New York; Ayanna Pressley, a Democrat from Massachusetts; and Rashida Tlaib, a Democrat from Michigan, are expected to introduce the No Biometric Barriers to Housing Act this week.
In other words, it's just posturing. Probably won't get out of committee in the House, has no chance in the Senate, and wouldn't be signed by the President anyway.