Watchdog Says FBI Has Access To About 640M Photographs (apnews.com) 79
JustAnotherOldGuy writes: A government watchdog says the FBI has access to about 640 million photographs -- including from driver's licenses, passports and mugshots -- that can be searched using facial recognition technology. The figure reflects how the technology is becoming an increasingly powerful law enforcement tool, but is also stirring fears about the potential for authorities to intrude on the lives of Americans. It was reported by the Government Accountability Office at a congressional hearing in which both Democrats and Republicans raised questions about the use of the technology.
The FBI maintains a database known as the Interstate Photo System of mugshots that can help federal, state and local law enforcement officials. It contains about 36 million photographs, according to Gretta Goodwin of the GAO. But taking into account the bureau contracts providing access to driver's licenses in 21 states, and its use of photos and other databases, the FBI has access to about 640 million photographs, Goodwin told lawmakers at the House oversight committee hearing. Kimberly Del Greco, a deputy assistant director at the FBI, said the bureau has strict policies for using facial recognition. She said it is used only when there is an active FBI investigation or an assessment, which can precede a formal investigation.
The FBI maintains a database known as the Interstate Photo System of mugshots that can help federal, state and local law enforcement officials. It contains about 36 million photographs, according to Gretta Goodwin of the GAO. But taking into account the bureau contracts providing access to driver's licenses in 21 states, and its use of photos and other databases, the FBI has access to about 640 million photographs, Goodwin told lawmakers at the House oversight committee hearing. Kimberly Del Greco, a deputy assistant director at the FBI, said the bureau has strict policies for using facial recognition. She said it is used only when there is an active FBI investigation or an assessment, which can precede a formal investigation.
Well... (Score:5, Funny)
640M photos ought to be enough for anybody.
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Maybe they only mean what they "have access to", and there's lots more in their immediate possession that they're not counting.
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You win the internet for today.
Because "There's a law for that!" (Score:1)
No matter who you are, there's ALWAYS a law you have broken. Al least one.
All they need, is seven lines, written by the hand of the finest man, to "find" something to hang him for. (With credits to Cardinal Richelieu of inquisition infame.)
Algorithms do not care what you are. In fact it is *more* work to code in a switch to exempt you.
They want *absolute* power. That means zero freedom. Like those "Muh freedoms" you care so much about.
Basically, because you want to be a dick and trample other's freedoms wit
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Indeed. It is probably enough that you posted in a discussion of the FBI. On a known website mostly frequented by dangerous criminals! And and you both did so _anonymously_! You _must_ be terrorists!
They probably will not even bother to actually arrest you, they will just "accidentally" kill you on arrest.
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What about posting anonymously on the Internet? Oops, you will be a criminal. That law does not yet exist, but rest assured it will. And it will be applied retroactively.
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Not in the US - ex post facto laws are prohibited by the Constitution.
Re: FACIAL RECOGNITION TECH IS IMMENSELY BENEFICIA (Score:2)
The Constitution was repealed in 2001.
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Also, the beauty of applying laws retroactively is that you can ignore everything that was valid back then. Remember that the law is not for deciding right or wrong or for protecting citizens, it is for keeping the population under control.
That number seems small (Score:2)
640M is about 2 per person in the US. That's not really a lot IMO. So, great; the FBI doesn't have a comprehensive photographic archive of everyone. Can't think of any good reasons they should.
You mean.. (Score:5, Insightful)
.. the government has access to government files...? No way!
Re: You mean.. (Score:1)
It's far from a breach of trust if you have your photo taken for ID purposes and then its used in a system designed to.. Well, ID you.
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.. the government has access to government files...? No way!
That's not what they mean.
What they mean is one government has access to 21 other governments files, probably in violation of both governments' constitutions.
In theory/fascade.
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probably in violation of both governments' constitutions
That's silly, if the State's agreed to give it to them then the 10th Amendment guarantees it must be Constitutionally valid, unless you can find an outright prohibition in the text, and there isn't one.
In theory
That's not a theory, that's just derp.
So? (Score:4, Insightful)
Why would anybody find this surprising?
You take the good you take the bad (Score:2)
Others have pointed out the benefits of technology.
The risks are obvious - it makes the "slippery slope" to a police state much more slippery.
Is it worth it to put some more "friction" in the way of a future goverment to make it harder for them to transition into a police state in exchange for making law enforcement more difficult, more expensive, and less effective than it needs to be? If so, how much "friction" is appropriate?
This is a valid question that should be discussed openly. Those who believe on
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No nation has ever fallen down this mythical "slippery slope."
Police states arise suddenly. Most countries allow for routine modification of their Constitution, if they even have one. When the leader asks for more power, some congress or parliament or 50%+1 referendum might just give it away. Those places are already ripe for a police state; nothing is banned or permitted by their Constitution other than on a temporary basis. They don't need to slide down any slope, dictatorship or some other police state i
Re: You take the good you take the bad (Score:2)
So how, then, did we end up with our current police state?
"Strict policies", yeah, right (Score:2)
First, they are easily changed. Second, unless something bad does actually happen to those that violate these policies, they are worthless. And third, these policies do not sound very "strict" to me.
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If these pictures are of the right type, all they need is one per person.Hence this number is not "large", it is much much than needed for maximum damage to civil liberties. And rest assures, they will be used regularly and routinely to track people, investigation or not. Or they will just investigate everybody on a permanent basis.
Also nice how you are an AC and do not actually say something that makes the least bit of sense logically. It does attempt to create a warm, fuzzy feeling of "no danger here" tho
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> If these pictures are of the right type, all they need is one per person
More likely, they are the wrong type. My baby picture isn't going to be much use to them.
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And why would they have that? They do have the picture from your driver's licence though.
I have more on my (Score:3)
Active Investigation (Score:2)
A close relative who is a Special Agent told me an "investigation or assessment" is really anything they do. So in practical sense, there is no real limit to using any database, any time, for any purpose.
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"used only when there is an active FBI investigation or an assessment,"....
A close relative who is a Special Agent told me an "investigation or assessment" is really anything they do.
It's right in the name - Federal Bureau of Investigation. Naturally everything they do must be part of legitimate investigation, so no reason to worry.
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It will be interesting to see if anything comes out of this. It is all public information, I don't think anyone expects privacy with their driver license info, when a camera takes a picture of them speeding, or when they arrested.
How Is This a Surprise? (Score:2)
This has been part of Hollywood fiction lore for years and we're just now acting surprised?
If the government has the data, they're doing the mining. Seriously, the surprise just makes me facepalm.
Edward Snowden and others didn't reveal anything that we here at Slashdot didn't already know for years.
'strict policies' (Score:1)
'very strict, in fact. we adhere to our policy absolutely and completely:'
"we can do whatever the fuck we want with these photos and databases, and you can't stop us."
Too few (Score:2)
Why fucking bother? (Score:2)
Betcha (Score:1)
FBI probably got them from China or Russia.
But... but... "Strict Policies!" (Score:2)
"Kimberly Del Greco, a deputy assistant director at the FBI, said the bureau has strict policies for using facial recognition."
Let me tell you what those policies are:
1) We have this resource, and you never will.
2) We'll never give it up.
3) We'll never be honest about what its scope is and how we use it.
Re: But... but... "Strict Policies!" (Score:2)
No way! The gestapo would never lie to the people!
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Groups of interesting people in the US ie duplication waiting to be filtered.
US citizens on holiday. Their new international friends. US citizens reported by another nations police re illegal lifestyles/deviancy.
Every non US citizen who had a connection to/expressed repeated and direct interest in something/someone "US" related.
People other nations mil/security services have reported to the FBI.
International criminals on holiday in the USA. All hop of their friends/friends of friends.
Ev
Re: Who? (Score:2)
Why not just say "everyone"? Same meaning, expressed with rather fewer words.
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It would be more easy to collect on "everyone" like the NSA and GCHQ.
Domestically it is better to have a "good" legal reason that started the FBI collection.
Criminals, meeting criminals, supporting illegal immigration, embassy worker, background check and security clearance, any contact with any US embassy for any reason.
Then 1 to two hops from that person.
All the interesting things criminals upload from their compute
So does everyone else... (Score:2)
Is there a benefit to denying them this? (Score:2)
That's not many teenagers. (Score:1)
640 million photographs. So they have only images of around 70000 teenagers aka selfies which is about 9143 selfies per person. Doesn't sound very useful.