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Employees Call On Microsoft To Protect GitHub From China Censors (pcmag.com) 90

The GitHub repository at "996.ICU" in China has been calling out tech companies in the country that pressure their employees to work from 9 a.m. to 9 p.m., six days per week. "Since it went up last month, the page has been starred over 229,000 times, making it one of the most popular GitHub repositories on the site," reports PC Magazine. "But now a group of Microsoft employees are worried the Chinese government will force their employer to take the page down. So in response, they've been circulating an internal letter, urging Microsoft to stand up to any potential pressure to censor the GitHub page." From the report: "We encourage Microsoft and GitHub, companies which firmly believe in a healthy work-life balance, to keep the 996.ICU GitHub repository uncensored and available to everyone," reads the letter, which was shared with PCMag and started circulating internally on Sunday.

The GitHub repository now hosts a list of over 140 Chinese companies that allegedly demand their employees work 60 hours a week. Many foreign media outlets have also reported on the protest page. But reportedly, some attempts have been made to censor mention of the 996.ICU repository within China. Domestic browsers from Tencent, Qihoo 360, and Xiaomi recently prevented users from visiting the GitHub page, according to Abacus. It's why a group of Microsoft employees based largely in the U.S. decided to circulate a protest letter calling on Redmond to protect the GitHub page from censorship.
Microsoft hasn't commented, but the company's two other web properties, Bing and LinkedIn, "have been forced to comply with the country's strict censorship demands," the report notes.
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Employees Call On Microsoft To Protect GitHub From China Censors

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  • Its not like MS is making much money from China, not through github at least. So who fucking cares. the Chinese will just use a VPN to access whatever they want.... yes still.
    • I mean, they make billions in China, and the Chinese government has a non-spyware version of Windows 10 (called the Chinese Government Edition), so you know, it's a reasonable concern.

    • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

      by Aighearach ( 97333 )

      Chinese who use a VPN go to jail, disappear, or are unable to travel.

      Do you even internet?

    • by Anonymous Coward

      the Chinese will just use a VPN to access whatever they want

      They can tell when people are using a VPN, even if they cannot read the traffic, and they block connections well known VPN service endpoints. Moreover, for those who persist through these barriers and use VPNs anyway, they can lower your "social credit" score which denies you access to better jobs, decent housing, foreign travel and even travel within China, among other penalties. Why comply you ask? Because they have ways of making you care and they don't care what foreigners think about their methods. Don

  • GitHub's meant to be a repository for sharing open source code and designs. If you want somewhere to post your political propaganda why not put it on Wikileaks or Wikipedia?
  • Whatabout (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Microsoft caving to the US Government against their employees demands? https://www.wired.com/story/microsoft-ceo-defends-army-contract-augmented-reality/

    "We made a principled decision that we're not going to withhold technology from institutions that we have elected in democracies to protect the freedoms we enjoy" - Nadella told CNN Business at Mobile World Congress in Barcelona.

    Literally, Nadella by the same logic would support ANY war crimes the US commits as long as he enjoys freedom in said democracy. H

    • complete bullshit. by that analogy, every food vendor, every car and clothing manufacturer, every bank employee, fuck anyone that supplies any service at all to military are supporting war crimes. At some point you have to decide whether you want to be a business or a flag waving hippy, he is running a public company and it would be irresponsible of him to go down the path of the hippy.
    • by RedK ( 112790 )

      Wonder how long you'd enjoy those freedoms if you completely denied the US Military and government any kind of services or products.

      You're probably one of those guys who rails on cops all day, but then dial 911 faster than a speeding bullet the minute someone's dog so much as passes in front of your house.

  • Short Sighted (Score:5, Insightful)

    by DigitalisAkujin ( 846133 ) on Monday April 22, 2019 @09:06PM (#58475098) Homepage

    Western programmers know from experience that people only really have 5-7 good hours during a typical work day and after that you get higher bug introduction rates in the product. Once an engineer is burnt out they can't just keep working without making mistakes.

    The only exception is passion project where you get motivation from the "fun" of the project. But that only gives you another 5-7 hours.

    Good code sometimes requires thinking about a problem when you are relaxing and not at work.

    “There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare.”
    “Even the finest sword plunged into salt water will eventually rust.”
      Sun Tzu

     

    • A great deal of work does not require "good hours". It merely requires the presence of tools and even repetitive and mechanical work. That "6-7 hours of good work" is idealized for many lower level technical roles.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        Found the SCRUM master.

      • by djinn6 ( 1868030 )

        We're talking about software here. If your programmer is doing "repetitive and mechanical work", you've got a shitty programmer. There is no "repetitive and mechanical work" on a computer that I can't turn into an automated script in 30 minutes.

    • by Tablizer ( 95088 )

      programmers know from experience that people only really have 5-7 good hours during a typical work day and after that you get higher bug introduction rates in the product.

      Maybe they don't care if there are more bugs. Quality has rarely been a Chinese co's strong point, compared to say co's in Japan, Switzerland, and Germany. Perhaps it is possible to generate yet more barely-good-enough code under long hours with practice.

      Good code sometimes requires thinking about a problem when you are relaxing and not at

  • Sorry, the prevailing view is Greed > Morality

    CAPTCHA: cables

  • For example, they could keep the anti 996 site up and turn all the metadata over to the Chinese authorities and help them identify the users who post there.

    For M$ it would be a win-win situation. They could toady and get preferential treatment from the Chinese while still keeping a facade of maintaining ethical values in the West.

    And it's not like they would be doing anything worse then what they normally do.

    • by Megol ( 3135005 )

      And it's not like they would be doing anything worse then what they normally do.

      Either you should post proof of MS is giving active assistance of tracking subversive elements for authoritarian governments or readjust your moral equivalence detector.

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        Well Microsoft isn't blocked in China, where as companies that don't share data with the Chinese government are, so... Although it's not direct proof, you have to presume that Microsoft is only allowed to operate in China because it gives the government access to Outlook.com and Bing search queries, at least those made in China.

        Actually I can confirm from first hand experience that Bing is censored in China.

  • uhh... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by SuperDre ( 982372 ) on Tuesday April 23, 2019 @03:06AM (#58475964) Homepage
    Github is not the place to protest against 669 working conditions in china. It's a repository for code...
  • After reading that letter I have one question -- has China actually *made* a request to Github to remove any repos? This seems like a lot of FUD without any indication of an actual issue.

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