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83% Of Consumers Believe Personalized Ads Are Morally Wrong (forbes.com) 219

An anonymous reader quotes Forbes: A massive majority of consumers believe that using their data to personalize ads is unethical. And a further 76% believe that personalization to create tailored newsfeeds -- precisely what Facebook, Twitter, and other social applications do every day -- is unethical.

At least, that's what they say on surveys.

RSA surveyed 6,000 adults in Europe and America to evaluate how our attitudes are changing towards data, privacy, and personalization. The results don't look good for surveillance capitalism, or for the free services we rely on every day for social networking, news, and information-finding. "Less than half (48 percent) of consumers believe there are ethical ways companies can use their data," RSA, a fraud prevention and security company, said when releasing the survey results. Oh, and when a compan y gets hacked? Consumers blame the company, not the hacker, the report says.

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83% Of Consumers Believe Personalized Ads Are Morally Wrong

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  • kill them all (Score:5, Interesting)

    by gravewax ( 4772409 ) on Saturday February 09, 2019 @09:43PM (#58097224)
    I think you can drop the personalised "Consumers believe Ads are morally wrong". Ad's used to be kinda ok, but now companies like Google and other Ad purveyors have become such arseholes and so intrusive that I think you would find a majority think they need to be blocked. It seems they think it is their right to intrude on us and how dare we look to stop them. I think it was about 2 years ago when they broke the camels back with the sound and video Ad's, especially the automatic playback or mouseover ones, now all my browsers have an Ad blocker installed, hell even where I am currently contracted is looking at putting an ad blocker into their corporate desktop image.
    • Re: kill them all (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Exactly.

      They are so intrusive it's ridiculous. They show up everywhere. Break up content so much you can barely watch or read anything anymore.

      They steal personal data on us to personalize these ads. In many instances they show things that can be kind of questionable to show. In some instances they even have truly obnoxious ads that practically scream at people.

      More crazy yet, using our personal info, they frequently show us things we either already bought or decided not buy. They don't only do it once

      • by Z00L00K ( 682162 )

        "Personalized" ads are rarely relevant for me anyway and are just obnoxious, especially if they are for items that I recently purchase.

        Ads served have gotten totally out of the hands of the consumer these days and the only remedy is to protect yourself using adblockers.

        What I worry is that soon we will see a huge backlash where any actor in an ad have to watch their back when they are out and about. But the way around that would be for the ad companies to rely solely on avatars.

        Overall there are way too man

        • "Personalized" ads are rarely relevant for me anyway and are just obnoxious, especially if they are for items that I recently purchase.

          If "personalized ads" are for items that you've recently purchased, then whomever did the algorithm for "personalizing" those ads was a complete cretin. If you just bought one, then you're (probably) not in the market for one.

          On the other hand, knowing you just bought a hoover vacuum, ads for bags for hoover vacs might be useful....

      • by rnturn ( 11092 )
        Indeed. I've trained myself over the years to ignore random images in the margins of the web pages I'm reading. But it's when they pop up and obscure the content that I'm trying to read that really pisses me off---regardless of whether thy're personalized of not. You know the ones... they pop up or slide across the web page about 5 seconds after you start reading and require you to stop, close the effing ad, and then reread the paragraph you were in the middle of. They're like some guy wearing a sandwich bo
  • by TigerPlish ( 174064 ) on Saturday February 09, 2019 @10:14PM (#58097304)

    All adverts are morally wrong.

    They either:

    1. Prey on your fears

    2. Exploit your darkest, deepest desires

    3. Promise you an easy-out to your problems

    The best things in life speak for themselves and need no pushing. You find them or they find you by word of mouth, or you see it on your own, or.... you just know about it through some inexplicable mechanism.

    • Well no. Adverts aren't forbidden from being neutral - not preying on fears, not exploiting desires, and not promise easy solutions.

      It's just that those adverts that do those things gets more attention by design.
      • by KiloByte ( 825081 ) on Sunday February 10, 2019 @08:00AM (#58098404)

        Nope, all adverts are fraud. Their purpose is to make you buy something you wouldn't otherwise -- ie, to make you do unoptimal decisions. There's also a second effect of making the good's price increased by whatever was the cost of the advertising campaign, making you actually pay for being lied to. The third effect is wasting your time and attention.

        Effects 1 and 3 can be countered with an ad blocker. Setting one up properly might take a bit of time but is strongly beneficial to you in the long run.

        • by Monoman ( 8745 )

          s/all/man

          There are very few absolutes in life and this isn't one of them. Some ads are actually just being informative but not most.

        • Is an advert reminding people of certain sex and age to get mammograms a fraud?
    • by caseih ( 160668 )

      I disagree. Quite often I'll see an ad for a product that solves a particular problem in my current line of work, and occasionally I'll buy the product. If the ad is relevant, non-intrusive, and not pushy, they can be invaluable tools both for the marketer and for the person or business who might need that product (even if he doesn't know it yet). Quite often I've seen an ad in a trade magazine and thought, oh that looks like a very good idea that could really benefit me. So I've bought more than a few t

      • by Mandrel ( 765308 )
        Yes, ads in their proper context (trade mags, search results, classifieds, point-of-sale) are the best of the bunch. They still spin however, not telling you about any problems or worthwhile competitors. So such an ad can be worthwhile as inspiration for further research, or as a trigger for an evaluation purchase.
      • by epine ( 68316 )

        Quite often I've seen an ad in a trade magazine and thought, oh that looks like a very good idea that could really benefit me.

        Ads in trade magazines are not push. They're mostly pull. Anyone who buys a trade magazine thinking it's clock-a-block with articles is a royal fool.

        Scanning ads in trade magazines is a perfectly fine way to pinch a loaf: cooling your jets on the hinged horseshoe, the ads don't randomly impinge on your attention span during maximum cognitive load.

        You've also engaged in a classic fall

    • "personalization to create tailored newsfeeds..."

      Just for the individual reader? It seems to me that this would also be exercising the echo chamber/bobble head effect. But I could be misunderstanding what they're saying.

    • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

      by Brett Buck ( 811747 )

      So you are so constitutionally weak that you are slaves to it, therefore it is morally wrong to offer you something you might want to buy?

            Why is that that so many people think they require protection from the most trivial things?

    • Comment removed (Score:5, Interesting)

      by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Saturday February 09, 2019 @11:57PM (#58097552)
      Comment removed based on user account deletion
    • I saw an advert promoting recycling; not sure which of those three categories that would fall into...

      • I saw an advert promoting recycling; not sure which of those three categories that would fall into...

        Easy-out. Planet going to hell in a handbasket? Recycle! At least here in florida it all goes to the landfill anyway. Moot point. I still throw my plastic glass and paper into the green bin, but most ends up in Mount Trashmore anyway.

        NOt entirely sure a recycle ad is really an ad, to me it's more of a PSA. Of course, you must ask -- who's benefiting? In my case, it isn't the planet, it's Waste Management (WM). They get paid by the city, and my shit still ends up in Mount Trashmore. Yeah baby. Fake

    • That's absurd. I see ads for basic stuff like jackets, because i've been dying to replace my aging overcoat and have searched for alternatives. Nobody ever told me the jacket would make me sexy, the ads have a picture of a jacket and a price.

    • The best things in life speak for themselves and need no pushing. You find them or they find you by word of mouth, or you see it on your own, or.... you just know about it through some inexplicable mechanism.

      So, just curious...

      Would the personal computer revolution have occurred if none of the PC makers had been allowed to advertise their products? Same for any particular piece of software? And yes, Linux would have to be included in "any particular piece of software" even assuming Linux could have exist

      • by Mandrel ( 765308 )

        Yes, the more novel the offering, the more people have to be told it exists, and be convinced to purchase.

        Back in the 70s there was no social media to help spread the word, but many read newspapers and magazines. But these were mainly funded by advertising, and I doubt a PC company could have forgone advertising and relied on editorial to get the word out. The publications would have blackballed them for not buying ads.

        Still happens today, but at least media is now more democratic.

    • That comment is just dumb especially since not all adverts fall into those three categories, and also because not all three of those categories are morally wrong. "Prey", "Exploit", "Promise". One of those are not like the other, and if said promise is broken a company ends up in a nice legal problem.

      You find them or they find you by word of mouth, or you see it on your own, or.... you just know about it through some inexplicable mechanism.

      For this mechanism to work the product on service in question needs to widely publicly distributed or easily visible. Congratulations your suggestion just killed 100% of small companies on the internet, and lik

    • by Mandrel ( 765308 )

      No, "build it and they'll come" doesn't often work well, though online word-of-mouth is making it work better than it has done before. You can still get steamrolled by competitors who do push their products in people's faces (hello "ambassadors" and "influencers").

      Yes, all ads spin. Independent helpers are better. But in a free society ads will always be with us.

      The best response is for the worst forms of advertising (door-to-door, consumer telemarketing, mass spam, intrusive ads embedded in media) to

    • by eddeye ( 85134 )

      2. Exploit your darkest, deepest desires
      3. Promise you an easy-out to your problems

      Speak for yourself. Some of us pay good money to hear those things.

      Now tell me more about this easy out...

  • Get a real browser (Score:4, Informative)

    by AHuxley ( 892839 ) on Saturday February 09, 2019 @10:26PM (#58097324) Journal
    One that respects your right as a computer owner to have control over your own computer.
    Don't use a browser from an ad company that protects its approved ads deep into the computer, browser and OS.
    Consider using
    Adblockers
    No script
    U Block and U Block matrix.
    Ghostery.
    Anything to slow and stop tracking away from the site visited.

    Ads will just move to the site and be part of the content generated per user.
    Be ready for ads and tracking to become the site content.
  • by unicorn ( 8060 ) on Saturday February 09, 2019 @10:27PM (#58097326)

    Just try putting content on the web behind a paywall, and just imagine the screams of outrage.

    One wonders how they expect everything on the web to get paid for...

  • So wrong (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Livius ( 318358 ) on Saturday February 09, 2019 @10:32PM (#58097336)

    I find 'personalized' adverts to be morally wrong, profoundly so.

    Aside from violating my dignity as an individual who can make my own choices, the sheer volume of advertising guarantees that I will block them out, either mentally or technologically, which means they are misrepresenting the value of the services to the businesses buying the advertising. So two strikes against them on the question of morality.

    But more often than not I am finding them to be factually wrong, in the sense that whatever guess their algorithm is making about me is wildly inaccurate. For example a few Google searches for the price of an object is far more likely to mean that I have made a purchase of one than it is that I will be highly motivated to make new purchases daily for the following six months.

    Or their inference is so exact and narrow as to be transparently absurd. E.g. Local women seeking 53-year-old!

    And then there's the ones where I try to find a restaurant in a city I'm going to visit and I can't block out adverts for restaurants for the area where I live (you know, the one place I'm guaranteed not to physically be in any time I travel).

    • by dgatwood ( 11270 )

      I find 'personalized' adverts to be morally wrong, profoundly so.

      Then, with all due respect, you are uninformed, and profoundly so.

      Want to know why? Because all advertising has always been targeted. From the dawn of advertising. Don't believe me? Take a look at the types of ads that they run on any TV show. If a show demographically skews to younger women, they show tampon ads. If a show demographically skews to elderly men, they show Viagra ads. I guarantee you if they reversed this, people would scream that the ads aren't targeted enough.

      Where the web becomes a

      • by Livius ( 318358 )

        The sheer volume of advertising exists primarily because the overwhelming majority of advertising is not targeted well enough.

        That's logical, but it's the opposite of what we see in reality. Targeting is obviously better than in the past, even if the advertisers are over-estimating the reliability of it, but the volume of advertising has exploded, demonstrating that the strategy is clearly quantity and not quality, and giving the industry their own tragedy of the commons problem, but at a cost to me in time and opportunity.

        Advertising is already morally dubious, and no-one has an expectation that an advertisement is unbiased, but

        • by dgatwood ( 11270 )

          That's logical, but it's the opposite of what we see in reality. Targeting is obviously better than in the past, even if the advertisers are over-estimating the reliability of it, but the volume of advertising has exploded, demonstrating that the strategy is clearly quantity and not quality, and giving the industry their own tragedy of the commons problem, but at a cost to me in time and opportunity.

          Actually, I don't think it's a strategy so much as a desperation move. Companies are finding it harder and h

    • Aside from violating my dignity as an individual who can make my own choices, the sheer volume of advertising guarantees that I will block them out

      Wait what? I thought you're not able to make your own choice?

      For example a few Google searches for the price of an object is far more likely to mean that I have made a purchase of one than it is that I will be highly motivated to make new purchases daily for the following six months.

      That depends on what you are buying and how much effort you're putting in. The algorithm is incredibly dumb but if you're looking up the price of something and buying now it means it fails for you, it doesn't stand to reason that it fails for others. Many such algorithms rely on the fact that:
      a) the customer is still researching and didn't buy something on the first moment they searched for the price
      b) the customer bought something that is likely

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 09, 2019 @10:38PM (#58097348)
    This is Econ 101 stuff. The marginal utility of the next $thing is usually close to zero.
    E.g. if I already bought an 80" TV, the chances I need another one are pretty darn small.
    That's the kind of "personalized" ads that Zuckerbook keeps showing me. I really don't understand why people are paying for ads on Zuckerbook. And the ads are invisible to me anyway because I don't even look at them. In that case I'm there to see what my friends are posting and nothing else.
    One of these days the advertisers are going to catch on.
  • Personalized advertisements in and of themselves are completely amoral. If a company kept everything completely compartmentalized so that nobody could ever access your information except a benevolent AI that want to help you then it could be moral because the AI wants to help you complete whatever your task is. However, in this scenario, the AI would also not advertise to you if it were determined you were better off with a competing product or none at all. This is the moral ideal of advertising but as w

    • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
      The money is in selling in bulk to a 3rd party.
      Then putting all the data from other sites back together again.
      Selling on that data thats had some powerful math done.
      Nothing stays free with free sites and free services :)
  • by UnknownSoldier ( 67820 ) on Saturday February 09, 2019 @11:28PM (#58097478)

    When is the insanity going to stop?

    Normally I don't advocate extreme ideology but after the constant visual pollution of ads (online, billboards, TV, movies) I'm starting to wonder if society just wouldn't be better off with a simple policy:

    Ban all ads. Just ban the fuckers outright.

    The world has existed for thousands of years without the modern exploitative manipulative propaganda and I'll be the first to say:

    And nothing of value was lost.

    A person can dream, right?

    • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
      It has to get much more intrusive on each and every site.
      Content as ads, ads as content. Each site tracking users for the ads.
      No more 3rd party ad site to block.
  • I wish all ads were personalized. It would be so much better than random crap that has no relevance to me!

  • FWIW, I believe that personalized ads are fine. It's personalized prices that are immoral.

    BUT!!!
    This requires them to have collected personal information on me, which *isn't* ok. Not unless it's based on things I've bought from them before. And not if they sell it, or leak it, to someone else.

  • by wisnoskij ( 1206448 ) on Sunday February 10, 2019 @12:09AM (#58097586) Homepage

    And 100% of Men polled did not want to see tampon ads...

    In all seriousness, 100% of people do not want to see ads that are not targeting them.

    • by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Sunday February 10, 2019 @12:37AM (#58097658) Journal
      We just get manpons [smbc-comics.com]
    • by dgatwood ( 11270 )

      In all seriousness, 100% of people do not want to see ads that are not targeting them.

      Exactly. The reality is that you can create any results you want if you word the poll in a way that leads the pollee in the direction you want.

      • Ask the public if they want their private personal information used to target ads, and almost everyone who doesn't understand the technology will say no, because it sounds scary.
      • Ask the public if they want to prevent porn site ads from showing up on their children's computers, and
      • by stooo ( 2202012 )

        >> porn ads are legally restricted in most jurisdictions, and thus are unlikely to show up on children's computers.
        You must be new on the Internet.

    • by novakyu ( 636495 )

      I'm fine with tampon ads—it's the ugly women in the ads that I object to.

  • by swell ( 195815 ) <jabberwock@poetic.com> on Sunday February 10, 2019 @12:10AM (#58097588)

    The main reason that ads exist is that they are for generic products and services. When your product is indistinguishable from all the similar products, one way to sell it is to advertise. There are other ways, such as lowering the price. But generic products tend to be priced near cost anyway. The best way to sell your product is to make it distinctly better than similar products.

    Pepsi and Coke sell essentially the same product: sugar water. As a result they must advertise like crazy to get buyer loyalty. Ford and GM have battled the same way for generations over cars that (despite certain crazed fans) aren't really very different.

    Every week, many of us receive by post a packet of ads from local retailers, supermarkets, restaurants and nail salons. If you look closely you won't find among them an ad for Walmart or Amazon. Why would the worlds largest retailers need to waste money on those ads? Target will occasionally use that medium, hoping to grab some Walmart customers.

    OTOH, Phillips / Norelco actually created two unique products that for a long time lead the field: the first cassette tape recorder and the first rotary electric shaver. They had no real competition and the need for advertising was only to introduce the public to a genuinely new and potentially beneficial product.

    For a few years Apple sold its products with big images of great thinkers (Einstein, etc) and two other elements: the words "think different", and a small Apple logo. No product was mentioned. Elsewhere in the world of personal computers there were 20 brands with names like Compaq, Dell, H-P, etc. They were all making 'clones' and fighting furiously to sell these basically identical products. Lots of ads promoting minor distinctions, but mostly low prices. A race to the bottom.

    If every vendor of goods and services had a unique product that clearly stood out in its field, the need for advertising would be greatly reduced. Thus most of the ads you see are for items that are essentially uninteresting.

    Unfortunately, we benefit from the clones of every industry. The race to the bottom means standardized products and low prices for consumers. We don't have to pay the Apple/Norelco premium price. It's nice that there are innovators, but also good that we have access to affordable traditional products. Thanks to advertising.

    • by hjf ( 703092 )

      You're incredibly verbose but ultimately so stupidly wrong.

      Following your line of reasoning I can ask the question: why do you live? You live the same inane existence of billions of other people. You make no contributions to society and anything you "may" contribute is just irrelevant. Nothing matters. Coke is water with sugar. Ford sells rubber and steel. You breathe in valuable oxygen and expel nasty CO2. Unfortunately, due to whatever reasons, we're stuck with you.

    • Actually the main reason you won't find Walmart in the mail ad packet is that packet is generally set to arrive on Wednesday's because grocery stores are a major customer and somehow got into the habit of running their ad weeks from Wednesday to Tuesday.

      Walmart started as a general merchandise retailer so they run Sunday to Saturday ad weeks (same for Target and all the big department stores) and they push their print ads in the Sunday newspapers. Both Walmart and Target will do grocery specific ad flyers
  • I'd like personalized ads more if they were more intelligently done. With cookies turned on if I buy a video card from Amazon I then see ads for video cards...

    What kind of stupid is this?

    • It's sales and marketing stupid. If you've never worked with sales and marketing, you wouldn't understand. Sales and marketing is a different world, with different rules. It's the people who need the expense account to take clients to fancy dinners and shows. It's the wheelers and dealers, the schmoozers and show-offs.

      It's those hung-over, strung-out assholes who make these stupid decisions at a meeting they wander into 10 minutes before it's over, throw everything decided already onto the floor, vomit a pi

  • by misnohmer ( 1636461 ) on Sunday February 10, 2019 @12:57AM (#58097698)

    How many of those 83% refuse to use any app which provides them such personalized ads and/or collects their data in exchange for a "free" app? People say a lot of things on the surveys, but do otherwise in life. I seriously doubt that 83% of people purchase apps when given the "free" option with targeted advertisements.

  • ... if know that I have to see ads, I'd still rather see ads that actually are relevant to my own interests or needs than ones that aren't.
    • ... if know that I have to see ads, I'd still rather see ads that actually are relevant to my own interests or needs than ones that aren't.

      If I can't use software to block ads, then I will use personal control of my attention to block ads.

      I don't see why "personally relevant" ads are better than generic ads. In either case, I usually receive information about something that I'm not interested in buying. The only time when I want personally relevant information is when I'm searching for that information, and then I want the information to be unbiased by ad money.

      • The world would be a better place if this was true for more people. Unfortunately advertising works for a large percent of the population. I remember a few years back when I was interacting with a handful of teenagers, one kid starts belting out the jingle for a fast-food fish sandwich. Half of them joined in, then they decided it would be hilarious to go get fish sandwiches.

        What. The. Fuck.

        It blew my mind that that shit actually worked. Then it occurred to me that if it worked on them, it also works on mil

    • Personally, I would like to see advertisements become expensive to display, thus increasing the benefit to content producers for displaying the ad, and driving total volume of total ads shown waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down.

      In other words, the debiers model. Diamonds are extremely common. The price is kept artificially high through a marketing campaign that reinforces the notion that they are rare, coupled with an aggressive supply side monopoly and warehousing operation.

      By ensuring only a select number of

    • This. People forget the advertisements in the early days of the internet consisted of mostly girls and penis enlarging drugs.

  • Get adverts from them for weeks afterwards. This happens to me on one of my browsers which can't install an adblocker. Thankfully I block ads on most of my computers.
  • by geekymachoman ( 1261484 ) on Sunday February 10, 2019 @04:12AM (#58098012)
    I hate ads, personalized or not, and I use an adblocker. However, I also run a site that requires hours of attention every day from multiple people, and many of people here use it often.

    When we suggest our users to do donations, they refused.
    When we suggested premium membership model, they refused.

    99% of the users want the content that 4 people maintain, for free, demand it what's more, and we even got blamed that we're extorting users by having a premium membership and ads, not realizing that if the ads were gone tomorrow - the service would be gone too.. and premium membership was a way for us to DISABLE ads. Eventually, we got rid of premium as it was useless.
    Don't want personalized or otherwise fucking ads ? Pay for the shit you use, because ... I don't get the servers for free, nor the bandwidth... nor the knowledge how to program, set servers up, maintain all of that and create content.
    • by stooo ( 2202012 )

      business model on the decline ?
      Not easy to get a better one.

      • by hjf ( 703092 )

        Ads are what keep the internet working.
        No ads means no internet. Ads are the "business model" not of a "website" but of the whole fucking thing. Take ads out of equation and you get the "academic" internet again.

        • by stooo ( 2202012 )

          Nope.
          Internet and HTTP browsing predated online ads. By far.

          • by tepples ( 727027 )

            Take ads out of equation and you get the "academic" internet again.

            Internet and HTTP browsing predated online ads. By far.

            That was what hjf referred to as "the 'academic' Internet". If the Internet were to suddenly contract to "the 'academic' Internet" tomorrow, I doubt that there would be enough demand among home users for "the 'academic' Internet" alone to support the continued availability of home broadband Internet service.

    • by Mandrel ( 765308 )

      What about charging all users your best estimate of the average value they get out of your site, with a one-month trial?

      Would your membership be decimated because few get much value from it, and could easily move to a competitor?

      There are other potential solutions depending on the nature of your service.

      • by hjf ( 703092 )

        no. there are no solutions. this is how things are.
        People DO NOT LIKE TO PAY FOR STUFF. Simple as that.
        And i'm not going to "subscribe" to every fucking website I visit *AND GIVE THEM ALL MY PERSONAL DATA SO THEY CAN BILL MY CREDIT CARD* just because some fucking nerd on slashdot doesn't like ads.

        • by Mandrel ( 765308 )

          It depends on the value the site provides, and the difficulty of it being cloned. Top newspapers are doing quite well with digital subscriptions, and they don't even give subscribers an ad-free experience. And I'm amazed at the success with which free-to-play games sell cosmetic items — selling to susceptible kids helps here. Then there's the paid exclusive content and free lure model [nytimes.com].

          Also, companies like Apple and PayPal allow one to set up regular payments without anyone else getting credit card

          • No. It just doesn't work that way. You propose only one person (the first one) can do "something" and the rest are just clones.

            Also you're denying of access to information to the 90% of the world's population. The people who simply cannot afford to pay for every website they visit. not to mention all the people who simply don't have credit cards (newsflash: CCs are rare outside the "first world" and the issued cards usually are only local or national. International cards have requirements 90% of the world's

            • by Mandrel ( 765308 )

              Everyone not first, but inspired by the first, is by definition a clone in some way. But here we're talking about how the ease with which a service can be both cloned and indirectly funded creates competitive pressure against a paywall.

              Poverty means not being able to buy a lot of things. Is information special? Governments can always provide or subsidise important sources of information if they don't want the poor to suffer an advertising ghetto while the rich go ad-free (where ad-blocking is hard or unp

              • by hjf ( 703092 )

                OK, so since Little Special Snowflake doesn't like ads, governments around the world have to work to pay for content for their citizens to consume.
                Nothing can go wrong with such plan.
                Nothing.

                • by Mandrel ( 765308 )
                  Trying to find an alternative to advertising isn't going to stop funding by advertising working for those who either don't mind them or can't block them. At the moment this pool is large enough that advertising still works for many large tech and media companies. But this is falling, more-so for some types of services, so we need to think of good alternatives.
    • If you can't get people to donate because they love what you're doing, what you're doing isn't valuable to them or unique enough to differentiate you from others.

      It's a harsh truth. And if you want to do it no matter what, great. That's a nice hobby that makes you happy. But don't complain that your viewers aren't supporting you if you're in this for a hobby.

      That said, have you tried Patreon? I keep spending more and more money there on people doing shit I enjoy seeing. Music, comics, videos, educational se

    • Despite what you think, the world won't miss your site. It's telling how you think the users owe you something and you think they're ripping you off, when they don't owe you a damn thing.
    • I don't have premium memberships on any sites, not necessarily because I don't think they're worth it (often the fees are rather modest), but simply because I hate setting up an account, giving them my email address and personal info, risking my credit card data (and not being sure there won't be automatic renewals that are nearly impossible to stop), etc.

      One possibility I might consider is buying a membership from a third party like Amazon, something like a gift card, where a code number gives me access

  • Why does Forbes use the term "believe is morally wrong", when this is a question about opinion?

    It seems to me that they want to hammer their own opinion into the heads of the readers, and belittle those with one that is different from theirs.

    Bad form. A new low.

  • When the question is "If a company loses my personal data/information I feel inclined to blame them above anyone else, even the hacker", the results aren't that surprising.

    This survey feels truly meaningless to me. I doubt that many people truly prefer non-targeted ads or generic feeds. Sure, people might dislike ads in general, or hate it when targeting fails, which is what often happens, but that doesn't make targeting unethical.

  • by Applehu Akbar ( 2968043 ) on Sunday February 10, 2019 @08:55AM (#58098544)

    Suppose I'm in the market for a new camera lens. I google for tech reviews and user critiques. I make a choice, and then jump onto Amazon.

    A week after my new lens arrives, every online ad I see is suddenly for the lenses I searched for, including all the ones I didn't buy. What have all these advertisers bought from Google, exactly? While I'm out on the trail shooting with my new lens, they are funneling targeted ads they paid a premium for to a target market that no longer exists.

  • I dunno about 'morally wrong', but imagine walking down a crowded street on your way to a specific destination, and there are people putting flyers and signs right in your face, yelling in your ears to buy this-that-the-other, and occasionally someone who actually grabs your arm and pulls you aside to blather on and on about some crap he (or she) wants to sell you; how would you feel, especially about that last example? Annoyed, pissed off a little, and absolutely outraged, or if you're not then I wonder ab
  • If personalized ads was for my benefit I would have been okay with it, but right now it is strictly for the benefit of the advertiser.

    Right now we have a situation where financially literate people looking to borrow money see ads from serious lenders with competitive rates,
    whereas people who are not financially literate get to see ads from predatory lenders and scams.
    These are exactly the people that need help finding the good options, and the advertisers take advantage of them.

  • it's called stalking and it's against the law in lots of places.
    I feel threatened when I know someone or some company is perpetually watching me and interacting with me in a way I don't want or like.
    Call me paranoid ? I'd be paranoid if it was just in my head.
    They are mostly doing it to steal money from me.

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