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FBI Arrests Three More Men Who Hired 'SWAT' Perpetrator (nbcnews.com) 146

"Three men allegedly conspired with admitted 'swatter' Tyler Barriss to make hoax reports of bombs and murders to police departments, high schools and a convention center across the United States, according to three indictments unsealed today," reports America's Department of Justice.

An anonymous reader quotes NBC News: The three people charged -- Neal Patel, 23, of Des Plaines, Illinois; Tyler Stewart, 19, of Gulf Breeze, Florida; and Logan Patten, 19, of Greenwood, Missouri -- are not accused in the "swatting" call allegedly made by another man that preceded the police shooting of Andrew Finch, a 28, in Wichita on Dec. 28, 2017. But they are accused of asking the suspect in the fatal Kansas case, Tyler Barriss, through Twitter direct messages to make false reports of bombs or threats of shootings that would trigger a law enforcement response and the evacuation of buildings against other targets, including a high school and a Dallas video game tournament....

Patel allegedly conspired with Barriss to make false reports to police in Milford, Connecticut, in December of 2017, and to make a false bomb threat targeting a video game convention in Dallas, according to the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Central District of California in Los Angeles. Stewart is accused of conspiring with Barriss to make two false bomb threats about a high school in Gurnee, Illinois, in early December of 2017, and Patten is charged with hiring Barriss to "swat" people in Indiana and Ohio, also in December of 2017, and of scheming with Barriss to "swat" a high school in Missouri, according to prosecutors.

After this week's arrests, the three men each face up to 15 years in federal prison. Patel allegedly also used "unauthorized" credit cards to pay Barriss -- and now faces two more bank fraud charges which each carry up to 30 years in federal prison.

The article also notes that the 25-year-old who actually made the calls -- and the call which led to a fatal shooting in Wichita -- "has agreed to serve a sentence of between 20 and 25 years in federal prison." And the two gamers involved in the dispute which led to that shooting have also been criminally charged.
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FBI Arrests Three More Men Who Hired 'SWAT' Perpetrator

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  • by Revek ( 133289 ) on Saturday January 26, 2019 @11:11AM (#58025718)

    These little psychos need to be very publicly judged.

    • They should spend all of their time on a prison bus, being ferried around to different schools where they explain how they fucked up. Just incarcerating them doesn't help much. What a gang of little shits, though.

      • Their sentences will serve as a good object lesson to others considering such foolishness. And I don't think you need to justify the proper application of justice, in any case. I'm perfectly happy allocating a small portion of my taxes to pay for their prosecution and subsequent incarceration.

        • "Their sentences will serve as a good object lesson to others considering such foolishness."

          No, they won't. Most people will never even hear about them. Meanwhile, long prison sentences tend to create more crime. You don't think these guys will turn to crime to make a living when they get out, and find that they can't get a job?

          ". I'm perfectly happy allocating a small portion of my taxes to pay for their prosecution and subsequent incarceration."

          Why are you happy to waste money? That's literally insane.

      • Does that do any good though? They already do this with other criminals and for other crimes, but that doesn't really seem to stop anyone. To some degree, telling high school kids not to do something is going to have the opposite effect. I remember one of my friends in high school saying that after having to sit through some D.A.R.E. type presentation, that he wanted to smoke a joint just to spite them. Apparently, he may not have been the only one that felt that way [priceonomics.com].

        I don't think you can really tell an
        • Does that do any good though? They already do this with other criminals and for other crimes, but that doesn't really seem to stop anyone.

          How do you know it hasn't stopped anyone?

          By definition we wouldn't know, because the crimes weren't committed.

        • Re:Good (Score:5, Interesting)

          by v1 ( 525388 ) on Saturday January 26, 2019 @02:10PM (#58026384) Homepage Journal

          Does that do any good though?

          Actually, in this case, yes it does good. The thing is, "swatting" is a fairly new problem. There's still way too many little punks that see it as a low-risk, high-reward job, and that just entices them to continue doing it. It's just free money for those that haven't developed a moral compass yet, along with those that have already chosen to be evil. Laws serve many purposes, not just punishment. They also serve as a guide for "what your community has decided is NOT ok to do", as well as a deterrent for those that are considering doing it anyway. Right now there are dozens of other little punks around the country looking at this story and reconsidering whether or not they are going to continue to sway for hire, pay someone to swat people they don't like, phone in bomb threats to get a day off school, etc. And that's a good thing for the rest of the society that are having to suffer their presence.

          I don't think you can really tell an adolescent anything that they don't want to hear. Part of growing up and becoming an adult is building up independence and pushing back against authority.

          That's where parents come in. Responsible parents neither want to see their kid locked up, nor want to go to jail FOR their kids, so again the laws serve as both a guide as to what to teach their kids, as well as a motivator to get them to drive the lesson home. "Some of them are just going to break the law anyway" is a terrible reason to avoid making a law. We only have laws because people were already doing something that hurt the public. It's like why we have to have "do not eat" on silica packets - it's because yes there really were people stupid enough to DO it. You can't fix all of the idiots of the world, you can only encourage them to behave reasonably by laying down the rules and demonstrating that they won't like what happens to them if they choose to do it anyway. Like you're saying, you can't force them to behave. And because many of them simply don't WANT to behave, you have to encourage them. With laws. Laws with teeth. Laws with punishments.

          Of course no matter what laws you have and what punishments you have, there will still be a small minority that continue to be antisocial. Getting anywhere near 100% will require intolerable laws and unreasonable punishments. So you have to strike a good balance, which is tricky to do. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't try.

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      • They should spend all of their time on a prison bus, being ferried around to different schools where they explain how they fucked up.

        I like this idea.

        They should be paraded in front of every class wearing full restraints, including leg and waist chains, while they explain exactly how stupid they were.

        Tyler Barris got someone killed directly as a result of his mindless douchebag behavior, and he should spend the rest of his life paying for it.

      • That's not a half bad idea. We normally don't agree on much, but I can 100% get behind this. He has plenty of time he can visit every Junior High School and High School should be attended by these clowns and have the story told of how they got to spend the best years of their life in prison. Maybe give them 4 hours off their sentence for school attended.

    • These little psychos need to be very publicly judged.

      Yep, and so do the bigger psychos in the SWAT team. If you set a rabid dog on someone then you're guilty of their murder. If the rabid dog is actually a person then you're every bit as guilty, but so is the rabid-dog person.

    • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

      These little psychos need to be very publicly judged.

      No, they need to be judged by their peers. Nothing more, nothing less. Otherwise you see the same lying bullshit and witch hunting as what went on with the high schoolers from Covington. Trials by mobs have no place in a democracy, nor do kangaroo courts.

    • See, I was thinking castrated with a dull knife. Using friction.
  • by Kohath ( 38547 )

    Being in a position of authority and murdering someone: wrist slap.

    Showing the people how dangerous and out of control the authorities are: 20 years in prison.

    • Speaking of which (Score:4, Informative)

      by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Saturday January 26, 2019 @12:56PM (#58026062)
      here's a great video [youtube.com] on the subject of police militarization.

      TL;DW, the military has weapons meant for killing people and don't understand when/why not to use them.
      • by Anonymous Coward

        It's definitely a local problem. We're close to Newtown and our police have shown fast (assertive) response with full, appropriate restraint.

        When cities stop being a community, all sorts of bad stuff happens.

    • by c6gunner ( 950153 ) on Saturday January 26, 2019 @01:05PM (#58026124) Homepage

      If you had the slightest bit of humanity in you, you might see the difference between someone fucking up while doing an insanely stresfull job, and someone intentionally creating a situation meant to cause harm. But you don't. You don't give a fuck about the people involved. It's all just politics to you.

      • by b0s0z0ku ( 752509 ) on Saturday January 26, 2019 @01:25PM (#58026198)
        Many jobs are stressful. Most of them don't get the same free pass for killing/harming people as American cops and military do. Nope, not feeling sorry for the cop or empathy for him.
        • by Oligonicella ( 659917 ) on Saturday January 26, 2019 @02:16PM (#58026408)
          Pray tell, the stress of police work dealing with homicidally violent people equates to which other stressful jobs.
          • by Kohath ( 38547 )

            Pray tell, the stress of police work dealing with homicidally violent people equates to which other stressful jobs.

            "Stressful" should excuse entirely avoidable killings of innocent people? How many?

        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by Mashiki ( 184564 )

          Many jobs are stressful. Most of them don't get the same free pass for killing/harming people as American cops and military do. Nope, not feeling sorry for the cop or empathy for him.

          When was the last time you assisted in the arrest in domestic violence case, where one of the parties started attacking you with a knife? 'Cause that's shit happens more often then you think. Or ran into a burning building without respirator gear, or dove off a peer to rescue a kid drowning.

          Sorry, the stress that you actively face as a cop is different then having a rack of servers going down. Sure you're more likely to be killed if you're working on a fishing boat, or as a logger. But you're not expect

      • by Kohath ( 38547 ) on Saturday January 26, 2019 @02:25PM (#58026432)

        If you had the slightest bit of humanity in you, you might see the difference between someone fucking up while doing an insanely stresfull job, and someone intentionally creating a situation meant to cause harm.

        Anyone else in the same "insanely stressful" situation fucking up in the same way would be facing a trial for killing a harmless guy standing on his porch. We have an absolute right to be safe from being murdered by government agents when we answer the door. If the job means risking murdering someone standing on his porch, then the entire occupation needs fundamental reform at the very least.

        And if you guys want a show of humanity, then make it a policy to treat non-police with the same respect and humanity you'd like to experience yourself.

        Being extremely defensive when you're clearly in the wrong doesn't help. Acting like accountability is an attack doesn't help.

        Also, covering up for each other doesn't help. If you're not a criminal gang, stop behaving like a criminal gang.

        You don't give a fuck about the people involved.

        Do police give a fuck about non-police?

      • by Kohath ( 38547 )

        It's all just politics to you.

        Also, let's forget the "politics" for a minute. What will it take to change things so police kill fewer innocent people? Got any ideas? Any interest in that at all?

        • Also, let's forget the "politics" for a minute. What will it take to change things so police kill fewer innocent people? Got any ideas? Any interest in that at all?

          That's a loaded question. The number of innocent people killed by police annually is notoriously difficult to quantify, but whatever the exact number may be it's statistically inconsequential; on the same order as the number of people killed by farm animals every year (and yes, I can already see you getting ready to make a pig joke).

          The real questions are how much further this number can be lowered, by which methods, and what you're willing to do in order to accomplish that goal. You may want to familiari

          • by Kohath ( 38547 )

            So no ideas then. Not much interest either. As expected. Non-police getting killed in police encounters don't matter as long as things go ok for the blue team.

            • Correct, no interest. If you propose a practical solution which doesn't cost billions and doesn't create more risk for cops, and I'll gladly back it. Otherwise the numbers simply aren't high enough to be of concern, and I'm not going to waste my time dreaming up solutions for a non-issue.

      • Piss off bootlicker. Taxi driving is more dangerous than policing, but they don't get to murder freely.

        If you can't do your job without the odd bit of murder, then don't fucking stay in that job.

      • This is nothing to do with making a difficult decision under stress. The officer was under no threat at all, neither was anyone else, and he had no reason to believe they were.

        He chose to execute a defenceless & harmless person for the fun of it because he knew he could get away with it. He should do the taxpayer a favour and hang himself.

      • If you had the slightest bit of humanity in you, you might see the difference between someone fucking up while doing an insanely stresfull job, and someone intentionally creating a situation meant to cause harm.

        No, what it looked like to me is some trigger-happy fucktard using the wrong tool for a stressful job, because for whatever reason, the powers that be felt a human life was worth less than the cost of a robot/drone.

  • Patel allegedly also used "unauthorized" credit cards to pay Barriss -- and now faces two more bank fraud charges which each carry up to 30 years in federal prison.

    30 Years in prison for using an unauthorized credit card. Explain how this is not a tyrannical government ?

    • by hey! ( 33014 )

      Well, it's bank fraud. The statute also allows for fines of up to a million dollars. It would be excessive to put someone away for thirty years and fine him a million bucks if he defrauded the bank of a couple of hundred bucks, but it might be reasonable in the case of someone who spent years defrauding the bank and raked in millions.

  • So there's a group of people in the gaming community who are just sub-human trash who don't give 1 shit about other people. Right, not exactly shocking given that community's history. But what's really fucking stupid is that cops are fucking dumb enough to go in and actually murder people when what has been described to them (hostages, etc) is clearly not happening. And people freaked out when Gillette politely asked men to be slightly better people.

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