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'I Tried to Block Amazon From My Life. It Was Impossible.' (gizmodo.com) 205

Kashmir Hill, a reporter at Gizmodo, spent weeks trying to avoid and block Amazon -- and every service that is owned by Amazon or uses Amazon's web services (AWS). She went to great lengths such as getting her own custom-built VPN. Turns out, it is impossible to keep Amazon off your life. An excerpt from the report: Launched in 2006, AWS has taken over vast swaths of the internet. My VPN winds up blocking over 23 million IP addresses controlled by Amazon, resulting in various unexpected casualties, from Motherboard and Fortune to the U.S. Government Accountability Office's website. (Government agencies love AWS, which is likely why Amazon, soon to be a corporate Cerberus with three "headquarters," chose Arlington, Virginia, in the D.C. suburbs, as one of them.) Many of the smartphone apps I rely on also stop working during the block.
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'I Tried to Block Amazon From My Life. It Was Impossible.'

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  • Block AWS and... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by MightyYar ( 622222 ) on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @04:52PM (#58003944)

    Weird. Who would think that blocking AWS would block the customers of AWS. What an interesting experiment.

    • >> Who would think that blocking AWS would block the customers of AWS.

      Your tongue is burrowing a hole in your cheek, sir.
    • by Red_Forman ( 5546482 ) on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @04:55PM (#58003962)

      W..w..W - Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who is washing Waldo Woo.

      Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who was washing Waldo Woo.

      FTFY, dumbass.

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    • by Anonymous Coward

      Some day in the future competing governments will rent AWS time to launch cyber attacks and DNS attacks. Eventually when all government servies are on AWS, one country wil purchase AWS time to DDOS the AWS servces of the other country.
      Milo minderbinder's legacy will continue in the digital age.

    • perhaps intentionally.

      There's been a massive consolidation and monopolization push going on for at least 30 years. Companies that were broken up in the 50s and 60s have bought their way back to monopoly status.

      There's several problems with this:

      1. Massive increases in efficiency and outsourcing mean less jobs.
      2. Constant price hikes because of a lack of real competition.
      3. Enormous concentration of political power the likes of which we haven't seen since the robber barons.

      I could go on a
      • Well congratulations, you managed to write something interesting - unlike TFA. Perhaps the article is a performance art piece, meant to draw attention to the "issue" - but the whole exercise is predictable and frankly insulting. You made a concise point in a few sentences - the article is a 5-part series of wordy ridiculousness.

  • by Red_Forman ( 5546482 ) on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @04:53PM (#58003952)

    That's like complaining you hate your government and then complain you can't drive anywhere because you can't use the roads they built.

    Now if you really want to complain, try living without Google, Microsoft, Apple, Linux and Amazon. Those companies are, like it or not, part of our modern life.

    • by poet ( 8021 ) on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @05:00PM (#58004002) Homepage

      If you remove Linux you can not:

      Run an Android phone
      Use In-Flight Entertainment
      Use the Internet AT ALL
      No Netflix
      No Prime
      If you drive a Dodge/Chrysler you can't start your car

      The list just goes on and on.

      • WHO the hell wants to get rid of Linux??? Its my (and a LOT of other people's) saviour in the war against
        Windows 10... I supported Windows (and Linux) for 20 years as a sysadmin, but when I retired in 2010, I
        decided I was done with anything Microsoft. MS was bad enough in the olden days (pre-Windows 10) but
        they've "jumped the shark" on insanity and creepyness... Sooooo glad I escaped its clutches...

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          People who object to the Code of Conduct and systemd. Presumably they are all using BSD, or maybe FreeDOS now.

      • If you remove Linux you can not:

        If you drive a Dodge/Chrysler you can't start your car

        So, it's not ALL bad.

    • by Obfuscant ( 592200 ) on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @05:01PM (#58004014)

      That's like complaining you hate your government and then complain you can't drive anywhere because you can't use the roads they built.

      I think that was the point he was trying to make -- Amazon has reached a level similar to government services.

      • I think that was the point he was trying to make -- Amazon has reached a level similar to government services.

        But why is that a bad thing? I would rather get my services from a corporation than from the government. A corporation has a clear motivation to provide high quality service in order to keep my business. The government has no such incentive.

        • by dryeo ( 100693 )

          I'd rather get my services from my democratically elected government then a corporate monopoly/duopoly as the government has a clear motivation to provide high quality service to get my vote. The company with no competition has no incentive.

          • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

            The problem with both is that they have two competing customers.

            Amazon has the buyers and the sellers. The users and the service providers.

            The government has the electorate and the big donors.

            Conflicting interests, and an incentive to abuse both.

            • by dryeo ( 100693 )

              Don't have big donors here in Canada (some Provinces still might). Only real people (citizens I believe) allowed to donate with donations limited to about $1200 (tied to inflation) Federally and at least in my Province so that helps.

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        • But why is that a bad thing?

          I don't see where I said it was.

          A corporation has a clear motivation to provide high quality service in order to keep my business.

          Explain that to Comcast. Or AT&T. Or Ma Bell in 1960. I think the motivation you think exists doesn't always.

    • by jfdavis668 ( 1414919 ) on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @05:07PM (#58004040)
      When did Linux become a company?
    • Now if you really want to complain, try living without Google, Microsoft, Apple, Linux and Amazon. Those companies are, like it or not, part of our modern life.

      that Linux is a company

    • In the U.S, most roads are built by private contractors, using funds derived by private entities paying taxes.

      The government does not build roads, it just acts as a middleman and drives up costs through regulation.

      • by EndlessNameless ( 673105 ) on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @06:48PM (#58004602)

        Yeah!

        Like when the government drove up the price on all those interstate highways that private individuals built before the big Eisenhower program nationalized them.

        Seriously, capitalism doesn't solve all problems. It's usually a significant part of the good solutions, but to pretend it's the only answer is disingenuous at best.

      • by lgw ( 121541 )

        They used to say "if you let private companies build the roads, they'll all be toll roads". I havn't seen a government build a non-toll highway or bridge in over a decade.

        • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

          by Anonymous Coward

          I live in Wisconsin. There are no toll roads in Wisconsin. Milwaukee finished the Marquette interchange with no tolls installed. They are finishing the Zoo interchange and again no tolls. In Madison, the beltline highway work is moving west with no tolls installed. One part of the Verona road project finished with no tolls second part is finishing up with no tolls. These interchanges/arteries are the have the most traffic in each of their respective cities. In Illinois, most roads are toll free as we

          • The Florida turnpike is a toll. Ga had 400, but they removed the toll a few years back. Now they are building variable toll express lanes on 85, 75, 575, and eventually 285. The 85 toll can get crazy expensive, but the 75/575 toll is fairly reasonable
        • by dryeo ( 100693 )

          Around here, they like private public partnerships. Private company builds roads (actually usually bridges+roads), public guarantees financing and profits. So it is private companies building the toll roads.
          The exceptions happen with the roads that the rich use, no tolls to the upscale ski hills.

    • Try blocking the government from your life and see how far you get.

      The govt gets a lot more of my money than any corporation does.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Article summary;
      1. I block Amazon and Amazon AWS cloud sites
      2. I discover how lazy I am - Think about the drudgery of going to a physical store to buy paper towels
      3. I discover how much free data I feed Amazon - $3k+ spent yearly on Amazon.com
      4. I discover how much I'm addicted to voice activated assistants - echo
      5. I discover I buy most video streaming entertainment from Amazon
      6. I have Amazon apps on my phone
      7. I need a fitness tracker app or smart watch to jog in the park

      Simply cut the cord, one by one,

    • Why no Linux? Even the most paranoid people out there use some form of Linux distro. I can't think of any general purpose OS that would be any better. QNX? You would pay for that, and it isn't cheap. Solaris? Meh. AIX, perhaps... Windows? Just ignore all the encrypted telemetry data zooming to Bog knows where.

      The only OS that would even come close is a BSD, and the hardware support would be something to have to work out.

    • by GameboyRMH ( 1153867 ) <gameboyrmh@@@gmail...com> on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @06:35PM (#58004556) Journal

      Yes who can forget the evil Linux megacorporation and their conniving CEO, Dr. Gnu Linux, charging their users so much that they can't afford to shave.

    • Now if you really want to complain, try living without Google, Microsoft, Apple, Linux and Amazon

      One of these isn't a company.

    • by PJ6 ( 1151747 )

      That's like complaining you hate your government and then complain you can't drive anywhere because you can't use the roads they built.

      Now if you really want to complain, try living without Google, Microsoft, Apple, Linux and Amazon. Those companies are, like it or not, part of our modern life.

      No it's not. Roads are public.

      Private entities shouldn't control infrastructure. Privilege of that sort is always abused for rent seeking and anti-competitive behavior. Has Amazon passed that point? Probably not, but there are also problems when only a few large actors control the entire market.

      It's always strange to hear people spout off about free markets, and then in the same breath be against regulation. Free markets require rules to exist at all. Free markets are defined by rules, not a lack of the

  • Antitrust concerns (Score:5, Interesting)

    by footNipple ( 541325 ) <footnipple@@@indiatimes...com> on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @04:57PM (#58003984)
    Interesting article. Any US company that is so omnipresent in the lives of its customers and has an active corporate policy to crush or, at least, impede competition does indeed warrant a good look by the US Treasury Department. And I'm not a big government, anti-capitalist kind of guy by any stretch of the imagination.
    • by jcdick1 ( 254644 )

      I don't think the Dept of Justice or Treasury (or Congress or any particular authority) knows what to do with a company that, instead of taking over any one business market as a monopoly, takes only 50% ... of all of them. That could actually be much worse.

      • by Aristos Mazer ( 181252 ) on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @05:24PM (#58004142)
        I'm pretty sure that was Cornelius Vanderbilt's strategy with railroads in the early 20th century. I think the anti-monopoly laws of the era have some provision for dealing with it because control of the transport network (equivalent of the info network today) was a key strategy.
    • You also can't live on the Internet without AT&T as they own large parts of the backbone. Or Cisco, or Juniper, or...
  • by CrimsonAvenger ( 580665 ) on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @05:00PM (#58003996)

    Turns out, it is impossible to keep Amazon off your life.

    All you have to do is turn your computer(s) off and leave them off. And yes, your cellphone is a computer....

    Now, if you want to have the conveniences of modern life along with no Amazon, that's another story. Note that she'd have the same sort of difficulties if she tried to get completely away from the electric company....

    • by Etcetera ( 14711 )

      Now, if you want to have the conveniences of modern life along with no Amazon, that's another story. Note that she'd have the same sort of difficulties if she tried to get completely away from the electric company....

      Well, that's kind of the point. Electric companies started out private, and eventually became highly regulated utilities. If Amazon is already this impossible to realistically avoid, that implies that we should move to regulating it as such.

      More likely, this would mean splitting it up into its

    • by dryeo ( 100693 )

      Just have to move to the next town/State/Province to get away from the electric company. Have to move to somewhere like China to get away from Amazon and it is not easy to move to China.

  • by bob4u2c ( 73467 ) on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @05:01PM (#58004008)
    If she really wanted to be cut off from Amazon, or any company for that matter, its pretty simple. Buy a log cabin in the woods with no power, no internet, cell connectivity, at least 30 miles away from any neighbor. Then Amazon will completely disappear from your life. Of course this presents other problems.

    Seriously why are you trying so hard to block one company or anything they touch? Afraid you'll get cooties? You want all the modern amenities there are things you'll just have to accept. I'm not saying to swallow the Kool-Aid and just go with it, just realize that at some point you are doing business with a company you may not agree with. You can minimize your contact, but you can't really prevent it. Well, I guess there is that log cabin option, but I'm betting thats not an option for you either.
  • What I woulkd primarily ask, is, well, why? Why would they want to simply block AWS (or let's pick on Azure/Microsoft next? Maybe Google?) without a basic answer of why. Why is this person frustrated that they are paying for Prime twice, when there's no need (with a household setup). Why are they blocking AWS just to "stick it to the new imaginary bogey-man" when by her own admission, it screws up her own digital life. Is AWS Evil? Has she confused Bezos for the villain in Austin Powers?

    Why?

    If she's re

    • Or even just, cancel both subscriptions.

      Subscribing to a store is idiotic to start with, but choosing it and then whining is much worse.

      And I use scriptblock and also uMatrix; by default a website gets no JS. And if I turn it on for the domain I visited, uMatrix prevents any third-party scripts from running unless I whitelist them.

      And I don't spontaneously combust, or anything like that. Life doesn't stop. I'm still able to acquire whatever information I need.

      The story is exactly the same as, "alcoholic tri

    • by vux984 ( 928602 )

      "What I woulkd primarily ask, is, well, why?"

      Refusing to do business directly or indirectly (where possible) with a company you dislike for any reason is a perfectly reasonable and rational thing to do. What difference does the reason she wants to block patronizing amazon really make?

      I don't eat at certain restaurants, or purchase goods from certain companies (e.g. sony) myself out of that principle. I likewise block facebook in my browsers, and refuse to use their various apps and services. I avoid indirec

      • She is free not to do business with Amazon.

        If someone else, say the government, is renting cloud services in an Amazon datacenter, then using that government website is still 'not doing business with amazon'.

        What she is doing is equivalent to boycotting any service or agency that gets their electricity from a given grid provider.

  • like blocking BookFace. Or Tumber, or Twitter.

  • by zlives ( 2009072 ) on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @05:10PM (#58004056)

    " largest cloud provider" then goes to show how cloud services didn't work without it?
    WTF
    its like complaining you can't shit after you sew your ass shut.

    Sorry about the vulgar language but the author clearly wants to converse in this manner.

    • by dknj ( 441802 )

      does this mean we haven't actually reached the goal of the internet? and that's for the someone to still reach their destination even in the aftermath of a nuclear explosion?

      e.g. in this author's experiment, "the internet" (whatever the hell that may be) should have continued to function in some sort of degraded fashion. In this case we could compare it to a 'nuke' taking out AWS. AWS would be hiroshima and would cease to exist. All the customers living in AWS perish as well. I believe the point is to

      • If you take down the endpoints (AWS) you can't reach the endpoints. The internet was designed to ROUTE around damage to the network, not the endpoints. The Internet doesn't depend on Amazon, or AWS.
  • Sounds like author had a deadline and came up with a flimsy story, that or they have some fundamental misunderstanding about AWS and think that it builds some profile about you.

  • I Tried to Block Amazon From My Life. It Was Impossible.

    Ted Kaczynski wouldn't have had an issue with it. Of course if you like things like running water and electricity. As well as not mailing hand made bombs to people, that life might not be for you.

    • by novakyu ( 636495 )

      Of course if you like things like running water and electricity.

      I'm pretty sure he has running water and electricity now (and no Amazon!). It's in the Constitution.

  • Why using a VPN to block a site ? Nonsense ? AFAIK this is not the purpose of a VPN. Its purpose is to create a tunnel to give you access to the Net from another point of the planet. But from home, or from the other side of the VPN, it's more or less (GDPR, etc) web site.

    If you want to prove that you cannot browse without Amazon, try the NoScript plugin in Firefox. It's a blacklist-everything-by-default policy and a PITA at first. It needs some effort to tell it which sites you trust, or need.
    But soon, y
  • by GrumpySteen ( 1250194 ) on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @05:39PM (#58004218)

    A tech journalist can't avoid the big tech companies due to their career depending on using the technology those companies produce.

    Who would have thought?

  • It was easy. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by jwhyche ( 6192 ) on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @06:04PM (#58004396) Homepage

    A few summers ago I was able to block Google, Amazon, and Netflix for life for just about two week. I left the phone on the counter, no service where I was going. Put the tent, the sleeping back, and supplies in the back of the car. Pointed North and drove off for some hiking and camping.

    Technology doesn't have to enslaved you if you don't want it too. It's just another tool.

    • I camped in a place that was in a river gorge, high rock cliffs on two sides that extended for miles. No TV, radio, cell towers, etc. A contract postal worker delivered mail and a regional newspaper three times per week. There were only six copies of the paper and older people were waiting and got them. On another trip I could receive a rock radio station from Las Vegas, Nevada. The signal faded in and out. I got used to my self again without so much BS. background noise. I listened to Wolfman Jack broadca
      • by jwhyche ( 6192 )

        I listened to Wolfman Jack broadcasting from Tijuana, Mexico when in the California. "Fifty thousand watts of soul power!"

        Now there is a name I've not heard in a long time. I used to listen to Wolfman Jack late nights. It was the only time his show would come through was when the local AM stations had to go to bed for the evening.

    • and went back to work where you likely depended heavily on Amazon in one fashion or another.

      Going camping for two weeks isn't the same thing as actually living without modern infrastructure permanently. Go do that for 5-10 years and then we'll talk.
      • by jwhyche ( 6192 )

        Not so much Amazon as Google. I really don't think I rely on Amazon that much. I buy the occasional book from them, and up until a few days I had Amazon prime. I just cancelled it because I really didn't use it that much.

        I doubt I'll do 5 or 10 years but I'm looking at a few months, probably this summer or next. I've been meaning to hike the Application Trail, or at least a good part of it. I also doubt I will be completely technological free during this outing. I might carry a flip phone and a AM

    • by Tom ( 822 )

      The point is not to go back to a hunter & gatherer lifestyle. Oh, I agree that even a few days without electricity, smartphone and Internet are intensely relaxing. But the point of the article was not "simple lifestyle", but "can you life a normal life without Amazon?"

      And that it turns out you can't is quite a story. I didn't know Amazon has become an infrastructure like that.

  • Unfair Advantage - Stacy Mitchell On How Amazon Undermines Local Economies -- By Tracy Frisch; The Sun, Nov 2018 [thesunmagazine.org]

    Every year Americans make more and more purchases online, many of them at Amazon.com. What shoppers don’t see when browsing the selections at Amazon are the many ways the online store is transforming the economy. Our country is losing small businesses. Jobs are becoming increasingly insecure. Inequality is rising. And Amazon plays a key role in all of these trends.

    Stacy Mitchell believes Ama

    • I remember people used to write that stuff about Walmart.
      • I remember people used to write that stuff about Walmart.

        If you read the bio on Stacy Mitchel, you'll see that she's said essentially the same thing about the Walton family's enterprises. I assume that they've gotten any better -- just other evil (more evil?) fish to fry.

  • News just in: World's richest businessman created popular business.

  • Use the off button. Simple. You do know how to work a button?
  • I on the other hand spent a year trying to get Intel out of my life. It seemed like website were using servers that ran on that processor, or there was a government bureaucrat using a computer with an Intel Inside logo. It was really made more difficult, because I was working for Intel at the time.

    Snark aside, why exactly is she concerned that the proprietors of a website she is visiting chose to use the services of Amazon?

  • first i thought she just wanted to block the amazon retailer services, the website and their streaming stuff etc.
    but then it also included AWS, for some reason. it's just a cloud provider, why does that even matter?
    ok, it's a big cloud provider, but who cares, if they provide crappy service i'm sure a lot of people will find their cloud needs somewhere else, choice-a-plenty.
    it's like saying you're going to block all traffic with IBM servers or all companies that use Oracle or another silly, no good reason.

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