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Government Democrats The Internet United States

One Year After Net Neutrality Repeal, America's Democrats Warn 'The Fight Continues' (cnet.com) 152

CNET just published a fierce pro-net neutrality editorial co-authored by Nancy Pelosi, the soon-to-be Majority leader in the U.S. House of Representatives, with Mike Doyle, the expected Chairman of the House Subcommittee on Communications and Technology, and Frank Pallone, Jr. the expected Chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee.

The three representatives argue that "the Trump FCC ignored millions of comments from Americans pleading to keep strong net neutrality rules in place." The FCC's net neutrality repeal left the market for broadband internet access virtually lawless, giving ISPs an opening to control peoples' online activities at their discretion. Gone are rules that required ISPs to treat all internet traffic equally. Gone are rules that prevented ISPs from speeding up traffic of some websites for a fee or punishing others by slowing their traffic down....

Without the FCC acting as sheriff, it is unfortunately not surprising that big corporations have started exploring ways to change how consumers access the Internet in order to benefit their bottom line.... Research from independent analysts shows that nearly every mobile ISP is throttling at least one streaming video service or using discriminatory boosting practices. Wireless providers are openly throttling video traffic and charging consumers extra for watching high-definition streams. ISPs have rolled out internet plans that favor companies they are affiliated with, despite full-page ads swearing they value net neutrality. And most concerning, an ISP was found throttling so-called "unlimited" plans for a fire department during wildfires in California.

Make no mistake, these new practices are just ISPs sticking a toe in the water. Without an agency with the authority to investigate and punish unfair or discriminatory practices, ISPs will continue taking bolder and more blatantly anti-consumer steps. That is why we have fought over the past year to restore net neutrality rules and put a cop back on the ISP beat. In May, the U.S. Senate passed a bipartisan bill restoring net neutrality rules. Despite the support of a bipartisan majority of Americans, the Republican leadership of the U.S. House of Representatives refused our efforts to bring the bill to the floor for a vote.

Fortunately, the time is fast coming when the people's voices will be heard.

The editorial closes by arguing that "Large corporations will no longer be able to block progress on this important consumer protection issue."
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One Year After Net Neutrality Repeal, America's Democrats Warn 'The Fight Continues'

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  • If not, fuck 'em. This is theater. The democrats warn 'The drama continues'. SNAFU

  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Saturday December 15, 2018 @03:15PM (#57809422)
    again. At this point I like to do this in every thread, specifically:

    1. There's an election in 2 years.
    2. Vote in your primary. Most people don't, meaning your primary vote has many, many times more power. Politicians don't fear losing in the general, they fear being primaried.
    3. Vote for candidates who refuse corporate PAC money. Google "Justice Democrats" and "Our Revolution".

    What follows here is pure, angry white man ranting. Stop reading if that offends you. Or just keep reading if you enjoy being offended.

    4. Yes, this is a partisan issue. I know of no GOP candidates who reliably support NN. The ones that do have only done so when they could be sure no strong regulations would pass.
    5. Speaking of partisan issues, I don't know a single GOP candidate who refuses corporate PAC money. I'm open to suggestions though. But until then I won't even consider voting for them. You can't serve two masters.

    Folks like to act like everyone has America's best interests at heart. And it's divisive as hell to suggest otherwise. I'm sorry folks, but this is a science forum, and science is founded on evidence. The GOP has spent the last 40 years serving the rich and well connected. The Dems have been doing it since Clinton, but I can find a wing of their party who wants to serve the people (again, google Justice Democrats. Or go look up the Bernie Bros).

    The GOP is at this point irredeemable. There's nothing left there except a pro-corporate, pro ruling elite engine dedicated to shifting wealth upstream. You might have some social issues that are so important to you that you're overlooking that (abortion, gun control, stopping Mexican immigration, I'm already baiting a -2 troll moderation with this post so might as well go all in and keep digging). But if we're going to sit hear and tell ourselves we're a science and tech forum dedicated to evidence based reasoning then we can no longer ignore the obvious. Folks need to realize they're making a trade. You're trading your economic and political freedoms (the real ones, not the imaginary ones where you can have guns and pretend you can somehow overthrow a government with a modern army) for whatever pet issue keeps you siding with the GOP. If folks at least acknowledge the trade maybe they can start questioning if it's worth it?

    Or maybe we're about to drag all of human civilization into another 1000 years of aristocratic dystopia. We'll find out in 2 years.
    • by hey! ( 33014 )

      You can also volunteer to canvas and phone bank for a candidate whose views you support. If that sounds like it sucks, it does kinda, and it's fun at the same time. In other words its an interesting experience and I think you should try it.

      Here's why: the dirty little secret of popular democracy is that most voters are apathetic and don't pay much attention. About half them don't even show up in any given election, and many those that do aren't really clear on what's at stake and end up voting out of hab

  • by Solandri ( 704621 ) on Saturday December 15, 2018 @03:20PM (#57809432)

    The FCC's net neutrality repeal left the market for broadband internet access virtually lawless, giving ISPs an opening to control peoples' online activities at their discretion.

    No it didn't. Awarding these ISPs local monopolies with insufficient guidelines and regulatory oversight is what caused that. The ISPs do not have natural monopolies. Their monopolies were granted to them by the local governments. This is a regulatory failure, not a market failure. If this regulated market for broadband internet access is virtually lawless, it's because the regulators made it that way.

    Instead of Net Neutrality, why not just do it the easy way and fix the original regulation - rescind the ISPs' monopolies and allow competition. At this point, I'm beginning to suspect the politicians (both sides) don't want to do this. As long as the ISPs have a government-granted monopoly, they're beholden to the government. The ISPs will continue to donate to the parties to maintain those monopolies. Allowing competition would mean there's no more reason for the ISPs to stuff the politicians' wallets. So instead the politicians advocate Net Neutrality, which allows them to have their cake and to eat it too. The monopolies remain so the ISPs continue making campaign contributions, while the politicians appease the public by appearing to be against the "terrible ISPs and their monopolies" (never mind the politicians are the ones who gave them those monopolies).

    • Their monopolies were granted to them by the local governments.
      ...
      Instead of Net Neutrality, why not just do it the easy way and fix the original regulation - rescind the ISPs' monopolies and allow competition.

      Unless you are suggesting regulation to rescind the ability of local governments to grant monopolies in the first place (I can already hear the screams of government overreach) then you are saying we should fix the law in 89432 local governments (and then maintaining and protecting them forever) instead of fixing the law in only one government, the federal government.

      One's a fool's errand and the other is possible. If you can't tell the two apart then you are the fool.

    • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Saturday December 15, 2018 @06:34PM (#57810142)
      is because capital costs and profit margins are too high. That sounds like a contradiction, and that's the trouble. Like a lot of things it doesn't work the way you'd expect it to.

      Let's say you decide to compete with Comcast. You're gonna have to spend billions of your own dollars on infrastructure. You might be tempted because Comcast charges $100-$140/mo for something that costs maybe $10-$15/mo to actually provide. You could, over time, do it for $50/mo and make a killing.

      Except Comcast knows this. They can and will drop their price to $20/mo and still make good money. Meanwhile you need to charge $50/mo for a decade or more to cover the interest on the loans you took out to finance all that infrastructure you built.

      The real problem here is you're trying to put a square peg into a round hole. We _all_ want telecommunications. It's as essential and valuable as food and water. We couldn't live without it. Our civilization would collapse without the ability to spread information. For one thing we couldn't make enough food.

      When something's that important and that universal you stop letting private corporations handle it. That's why we have a post office. But don't take my word for it, here's a much better list [youtube.com] of the reasons not to privatize industries and how to tell the difference between something that belongs in the public and something that should be private.
      • Can you please explain why I have three different fiber options then? According to your theory, it was impossible for the 2nd and 3rd fiber plants to get built in my area.

        • before folks figured this out, and you got lucky and are in a major city where they were rolled out.

          The rest of the country isn't so lucky. Nobody's rolling out much fiber anymore, and the ones that are are the major players (AT&T & Comcast) doing it here and there when they're paid by a specific municipality and that municipality is one of the rare ones that doesn't let them take the money and run.
      • 'It's as essential as ... food' & 'that's why you don't let private companies. Intros it'

        Did I miss something? When did the public sector take over food production in America?

      • by Uberbah ( 647458 )

        is because capital costs and profit margins are too high.

        That and market consolidation that will leave you with a single provider in the end anyway. Like how AT&T reconstituted itself [vox-cdn.com] in the decades since it was broken up in an anti-trust lawsuit.

    • The ISPs do not have natural monopolies.

      But of course they do. Aside from rsilvergun's point on the high capital costs of rolling out a network and the enormous advantages held by an established player - there's also market consolidation. Which will leave you with a handful (or less) of providers in the end, anyway. Case in point: AT&T was broken up in an anti-trust suit decades ago, but has totally rebuilt [vox-cdn.com] itself via acquisitions and mergers.

  • The consumer should be the one reaping the benefits of watching all the crap online. Get youtube to pay the consumer for hours spent watching them, get FB to pay a portion or the add revenue to the consumer ect.
  • as soon as legislators wake up to the reality that connectivity is a pipe and is treated the same as any other public utility. Let them sell users features users care to purchase, but don't touch the pipes contents. Treat packets like water, gas or electricity, without the owner of the pipe able to modify content carried.

      How hard is that to understand?

  • Let's hope the sheriff is not named John Brown, even if Bob Marley is dead, Eric Clapton is still much alive.

  • In other news, download speeds up 35.8%, upload speeds up 22.0% in the year since the repeal.

    https://www.speedtest.net/reports/united-states/ [speedtest.net]

  • Why? I can attribute it to Comcast.

    Yes, that "hated" company. Comcast has rolled out DOCSIS 3.1 gigabit Internet to much of the country over the course of 2018, and most Comcast service areas should offer it in the next few months. With gigabit speeds, stutter-free 4K video streaming becomes normal even on multiple channels being streamed. And it may lead to the beginning of the change to mostly on-demand watching of scripted content (with the exception of sports and certain other events that demand "live"

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