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Hollywood Wants Hosting Providers To Block Referral Traffic From Pirate Sites (torrentfreak.com) 149

Posted by msmash from the exploring-ideas dept.
The US Intellectual Property Enforcement Coordinator is working hard to update his copyright enforcement plans. In a written submission, Hollywood's MPAA shared a few notable ideas. The group calls for more cooperation from Internet services, including hosting providers, who should filter infringing content and block referral traffic from pirate sites, among other things. From a report: Besides processing takedown notices and terminating repeat infringers, as they are required to do by law, the MPAA also wants hosting companies to use automated piracy filters on their servers. "Hosting providers should filter using automated content recognition technology; forward DMCA notices to users, terminate repeat infringers after receipt of a reasonable number of notices, and prevent re-registration by terminated users," the MPAA suggests.

In addition, hosting providers should not challenge suspension court orders, when copyright holders go up against pirate sites. Going a step further, hosts should keep an eye on high traffic volumes which may be infringing, and ban referral traffic from pirate sites outright. The MPAA wants these companies to "implement download bandwidth or frequency limitations to prevent high volume traffic for particular files" to "remove files expeditiously" and "block referral traffic from known piracy sites."
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  • Oh yeah? (Score:5, Funny)

    by mishehu ( 712452 ) on Sunday November 25, 2018 @12:41AM (#57695588)
    And they want a pony too.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      And they want a pony too.

      Basically. Hollywood thinks everyone else should act on their behalf.
      They want other businesses to spend large amounts of time and money monitoring their customers, above and beyond what is required by law. Law which is already heavily skewed by Hollywood's interests.

      • Re: (Score:1)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Basically. Hollywood thinks everyone else should act on their behalf.

        And now that they have a thirsty AF d-list hollywood celebrity running the government, they could easily get it.

      • Re: Oh yeah? (Score:2, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward

        In the physical world, people who want their property protected pay property taxes.

        perhaps it makes sense for people who claimed ownership of intellectual property to pay IP taxes. If you don't pay your IP taxes, the item in question reverts to the public domain. The pool of IP taxes collected would be used to defray the costs ISPs incur while protecting other people's property.

      • I don't see the part where they offer to PAY for all of this. If an ISP is required to work for a private company they should expect to be paid.
      • To be fair, Hollywood has done a good job of having taxpayers subsidise their business model for a long time now.
        Hollywood accounting is a real thing. They also get tax breaks and direct subsidies from the various places movies are made.
        Frankly I'm still pissed off about the $50 million my country paid to Warner Bros. to get them to finish the Hobbit nonsense over here.
        As if the $billion or so profit is not enough. Also, the end result was rubbish.

    • Re: (Score:1, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      So since this is a US based source going to apply US law... MPAA etc basicly claim that on their absolute say so suspected infringers are not allowed their constitutional rights to due process? There was a recent court case where a Judge denied the copyright holder (and I use that term loosely) their attempt to identify a user by asking the ISP who a subscriber was by IP due to the way they were trying to use the court. In short the copyright holder assumed guilt of an individual and was in essence makin

      • same thing the music guys did for years. the courts are getting tired of half there cases being these bullshit copyright clames with no real evdance. it was ruled a long time ago ip addresses are not id or a vailed way to assume any infringement. because 50 people could be using that rougher and you have no way to prove who was actually using it.

    • Re:Oh yeah? MPAA motto? (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTLZ5LTix3Q [youtube.com]
      Seagulls, "Finding Dory" (10 hours)

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by Anonymous Coward

      global piracy rates have been falling for several years now due to increased accessibility to legal sources for content.. so the 'industry' is trying to come up with 'new' ways to try to stay relevant and keep this continually-shrinking 'problem' on the front page.

      but, alas. they don't even know how the bloody internet works. referer blocking? seriously?

    • No problem [youtube.com]

  • or we could kill everyone (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 25, 2018 @12:50AM (#57695608)

    Just find the head of the MPAA and shoot him in the head. Repeat until they disband.

    • Re:or we could kill everyone (Score:4, Funny)

      by mentil ( 1748130 ) on Sunday November 25, 2018 @02:22AM (#57695812)

      Make Pirates Ruthless Killers Again!

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Greyfox ( 87712 )
      Um... murdering people is bad, mmkay.

      Fixing copyright would require a huge legislative effort to reform our IP laws. Given that there's a vast army of lobbyists making sure that'll never happen and a population that doesn't want to hear about IP laws, I'm not optimistic about it happening any time soon. Maybe millenials are more hip to that shit and will change things as they start taking power, but as Congress is mostly old white men, that'll be a long time coming.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by rtb61 ( 674572 )

        Lets lay of the old white men shit, hmm, OK. Lets be more accurate, due to lead in fuels, lead water pipes and firing lead bullets to main line lead, well, a lot of the older folk are fucked in the head. Lead poisoning basically reduces though fullness and morality and leads to sociopathic decision making, anti-social decision making. Sex or age, not much to do with it, lead poisoning the root cause, hugely corrupting socio-politics in the USA. Once the leadheads have been kicked out of the system it will c

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by Greyfox ( 87712 )
          You really don't need lead poisoning to explain what goes on in Congress. It could easily be a combination of them looking after their own self interest to the detriment of everyone else, incompetence, unwillingness to do their jobs and tackle the hard problems and mild to moderate dementia that is common in old age. As Hitchhiker's Guide says, anyone who actually wants a position there should under now account be allowed to serve. We'd probably be better off having a draft for those positions. Like Jury du

  • "Wants" column is full (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Try the "Earned" column, see what you can still find there, or die

  • Meh (Score:5, Interesting)

    by The MAZZTer ( 911996 ) <megazzt.gmail@com> on Sunday November 25, 2018 @01:14AM (#57695680) Homepage

    We'll see an upsurge in browser extensions which strip referrer from affected sites and life will go on.

    Also pirate sites will just link to referrer-stripping services instead of direct linking. It'll just turn into a different type of whack-a-mole game.

    • Re:Meh (Score:5, Informative)

      by mysidia ( 191772 ) on Sunday November 25, 2018 @01:43AM (#57695742)

      The pirate sites just need to add one bit of HTML code....

      <meta name="referrer" content="no-referrer" />

      Modern browsers will then be redirected to send no HTTP Referrer header.

      Alternatively, HTTPS could be used, and with HTTPS Referrer is suppressed, because sending it could result in a security violation for the referring domain (a HTTPS URL may contain secret content/values).

      • Re:Meh (Score:4, Informative)

        by Kjella ( 173770 ) on Sunday November 25, 2018 @02:17AM (#57695800) Homepage

        And even if you know nothing about that technical mumbo-jumbo, pirate sites can just write the link as text and ask users to copy-paste. But Hollywood doesn't care whether it's feasible, they just want to whine themselves to more laws written in their favor. Fortunately Internet providers, hosts and services are now so essential that they don't get what they want.

      • Re: (Score:1)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Why the FUCK are you people still using pirate "sites" and bittorrent over clearnet.
        God damn are you people stupid.
        There's all sorts of encrypted p2p overlay networks out there you can bittorrent over with complete impunity.... I2P, tor with onioncat for udp, ipfs, storage, cryptocurrency, messaging, dtube, etc.
        Get the fuck off clearnet.

  • Firefox about:config (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward

    https://www.ghacks.net/2018/02/01/firefox-59-referrer-path-stripping-in-private-browsing/

  • So, as usual, the MPAA is trying to get everyone else on the Internet to help them prop up their business model.
    Screw 'em.

  • Hollywood doesn't understand technology (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Hollywood really doesn't understand technology...

  • Who else gets a global filter? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by AHuxley ( 892839 ) on Sunday November 25, 2018 @02:13AM (#57695790) Journal
    What could also be a pirate site?
    Germany to remove all talk of German history?
    Spain? All that independence and Catalonia content?
    France? No more funny art about funny French politicians.
    A cult? Don't share copyright content related to their faith.
    A faith? No blasphemy and quoting out of context.
    A big US company that designs computer parts? No more importing counterfeit spare "parts" online.
    A wealthy person who appeared in a newspaper a decade ago. No more investigative journalism to be hosted.
    A movie studio that wants the bad reviews of its failed political script to not be found.
    Anything that breaks DRM. A failed OS patch. A lock company and its new product.

    Once hosting providers have to remove content for one special group, everyone will have a legal reason to remove more content.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by vlad30 ( 44644 )
      They almost got people to buy content when it was just Netflix now I need 5 services to get the 5 shows I watch it's not that important to me I'll wait for free to air or other free ways shows I really like I'll get the bluray on special or support them in other ways. When Hollywood works out that what they have is entertainment and therefore a luxury and not essential to anyones life, then maybe they will understand the piracy and why many don't feel the need to pay.

      Can anyone who does work for these peo

    • "Germany to remove all talk of German history?" in case you were sleeping through in the past decades : germany put the ACCENT on its history ww2 and genocide as a mea culpa, and forbid by law denying it. So your list looks funny in that context. You can tell a lot of things, but modern german put the accent on reparation , and on never forgetting.

  • Whole point is moot (Score:5, Interesting)

    by cerberusss ( 660701 ) on Sunday November 25, 2018 @02:14AM (#57695796) Journal

    Personally, I think the whole point is moot. We've reached the point where the powers-that-be have pretty much succeeded in disrupting The Pirate Bay off of the web. And it doesn't matter to the minority: they use Tor browser to visit the site, and once they have the magnet link, VPN to download the torrents.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Kjella ( 173770 )

      Personally, I think the whole point is moot. We've reached the point where the powers-that-be have pretty much succeeded in disrupting The Pirate Bay off of the web. And it doesn't matter to the minority: they use Tor browser to visit the site, and once they have the magnet link, VPN to download the torrents.

      I'm not sure the 245th [alexa.com] most popular site on the Internet is "off the web". And there's a pack [wikipedia.org] of other torrent sites chasing it. And then there's probably short lived mirror domains that don't get counted. And private trackers. And then there's a ton of other methods like uploading it to a file host instead. Even 4K BluRay is cracked and that's so close to the movie master they might as well give up.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by mentil ( 1748130 )

        Even 4K BluRay is cracked and that's so close to the movie master they might as well give up.

        The movie industry's masterstroke is for digital penetration to defeat the analog hole. That's before we even get into 'streaming'...

        • Re:Whole point is moot (Score:5, Interesting)

          by SuricouRaven ( 1897204 ) on Sunday November 25, 2018 @05:37AM (#57696084)

          It was.

          There was once a grant scheme called the Content Protection System Architecture, designed by a consortium of consumer electronics and media industries around the mid-2000s. It aimed to do much as you say: An interlocking network of DRM-equipped connections and media. In order for a device to use any of these technologies, the manufacturer would have to agree to a license agreement which included a condition that their device may only output high-definition video and high-quality audio using one of the other DRM-enabled, encrypted technologies that formed the CPSA family (A concession was made for analog video in non-HD for backwards compatibility, providing it used macrovision protection). In this way, it would be impossible for any media that was released in DRMed form to ever leave the DRM system: Every appliance would be encrypted-in-encrypted-out. For added protection it was to use a watermark scheme which could mark media as being from the CPSA system - any compliant device which found watermarked media input in either analog HD or unencrypted digital form would thus know that there was no legitimate way that input could have originated, and shut down. Thus the analog hole would be firmly closed.

          It was a bold vision, but with a critical flaw: With all those interlinked forms of DRM, it only needed the breaking of a single element to bring the whole system down. Long before the watermark technology was ready for release, that is exactly what happened - time after time, until their grand vision of interlocked DRM technologies was reduced to a museum of the cracked and obsolete. The CPSA framework just fell apart, and I do not know what the status if the consortium is today.

          It does have a legacy though. Some of the DRM technologies still in use today, including CSS and HDCP, were originally developed as part of the CPSA framework. It was also responsible for the 'Secure' in 'Secure Digital' cards - the term refers to the inclusion of the CPRM DRM technology which all Secure Digital cards are required to implement as part of the specification, though I have never heard of any device actually making use of that functionality. An obscure feature, but a mandatory part of the specification - and a revenue source for 4C Entity, the company which holds essential patents and secret keys needed to implement CPRM.

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by djinn6 ( 1868030 )

            You left out the other critical flaw, which is having no way of tracking the photons after it left the screen. Until our eyes and brains are digital, there's absolutely no way to close the analog hole.

            • They did have a plan. It consisted of three key elements:
              1. All analog video outputs must be protected by a legacy copy protection system, of which the only approved ones were Macrovision and CGMS-A.
              2. All analog video outputs must be SD only. HD output in analog form (ie, VGA connectors or RGB cables) was strictly prohibited. DVDs were allowed to output on VGA, as they were only standard definition anyway. HD outputs were only permitted via encrypted digital.
              And the third part, the key that was never imple

              • Re: (Score:2)

                by djinn6 ( 1868030 )

                All analog video outputs must be SD only. HD output in analog form (ie, VGA connectors or RGB cables) was strictly prohibited. DVDs were allowed to output on VGA, as they were only standard definition anyway. HD outputs were only permitted via encrypted digital.

                This is all very interesting, but I think you misunderstood. I mean that someone can put a camera in front of an HD screen, then do some post-processing to remove the distortion.

                Unless they planned to prevent people from seeing the HD stream entirely, the photons traveling between the screen and your eyes needs to transmit the decoded HD analog stream. As far as I know, nobody has secretly invented cyborg eyes that can see an encrypted video stream, or decryption modules that works on the signals passing th

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by jonwil ( 467024 )

      Wreck-It Ralph 2 has only just hit theaters this week and I can already find pirated copies out there without much effort. (I intend to give the creators some money for the film and go see it in the cinemas which is why I didn't download any of the copies I found).

      • i dont watch shitty cam rips either. the issue is Netflix was actually bringing down piracy rates all over the world because they had a relly good selection and got new movies as they came out on dvd. then all the greedy movie studios started pulling all there movies to hide it behind there own paywalls not getting people will not pay for 22 different streaming services, now piracy is back on the rise. a good sloutin to watch movies needs to be made but it will not happen without the kicking and screaming o

  • Comedians are going to be out of a job (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward

    >hosting providers should not challenge suspension court orders
    >implement download bandwidth or frequency limitations to prevent high volume traffic
    I tried to come up with a satirical demand to add to the list but couldn't come up with anything funnier than was already there.

  • QUIC (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward

    The future of the internet is encrypted. TCP will be replaced by QUIC [wikipedia.org]. Not only is it always encrypted, it also maintains connections across several uplinks, so if one decides to block, the data just takes a different route without a hitch. If the server supports it and you're using Chrome, you're already using QUIC. Attempts to block communication are futile. The old saying about the internet treating censorship as damage and routing around it still holds.

  • Sheer arrogance. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by SuricouRaven ( 1897204 ) on Sunday November 25, 2018 @05:13AM (#57696044)

    Behind some of these proposals there is an assumption: That any large and popular file on the internet is probably pirated, and should be assumed to be pirated until shown otherwise.

    Do these entertainment executives believe that it is impossible for popular media to be created outside of their studios? That they and they alone have the talent and resources to make something that people want to watch?

    • Re:Sheer arrogance. (Score:4, Funny)

      by magusxxx ( 751600 ) <magusxxx_2000 AT yahoo DOT com> on Sunday November 25, 2018 @05:30AM (#57696070)

      Uh...Yes. Duh! ;) Haven't you ever seen the movie "The Apple"?

      If you haven't, then go to your local video store...oh, the only Blockbuster closed?
      Okay, then go to some online store to buy it...damn, too obscure and out of stock?
      Hmmm...okay, go to The Apple Store and download "The Apple". Search for: Company controlling content.
      Damn, first 1,000 listings are about The Apple Store itself.

      *heavy sigh* *whispering* "Fine, here's the damn link. But I'm only doing this once!"...

    • It's long enough ago that most of you younger folks have no idea. But once upon a time, Sony was the premier name in home audio. Their name became household with the Sony Walkman [wikipedia.org] - a portable cassette player which solved the biggest problem with portable cassette players - maintaining playback speed when shaken. If you took a cassette player jogging, the tape motor would speed up and slow down with the vibration, distorting the music. The Walkman didn't do that, and it instantly became the biggest consu

      • You missed a bit: The Amstrad case, in the UK. It closely parallels the Betamax case in the US. CBS Songs sued Amstrad electronics for selling a consumer dual-deck cassette recorder, arguing that such a technology would be overwhelmingly used for copyright infringement and thus making it available to the public was promoting this infringement.

  • Hollywood (if we can call it that - really it is the fat and lazy movie companies, who) want us to do their work for them for free.

    There exists ample copyright laws, and all the copyright holder need do is assert them in any case to win. Please, Hollywood, go prosecute the pirates. DO NOT ask me to guard your vault or take any special actions to prevent them from doing what they do because IT IS NOT MY JOB AND I GET PAID TO DO WHAT I DO. Do not presume to heap your business' expenses onto my business.

  • But only after paying settlements for the years of 'hollywood accounting' they've gotten away with.

  • Short version: Deep analysis of all traffic (Score:4, Interesting)

    by crow ( 16139 ) on Sunday November 25, 2018 @09:28AM (#57696496) Homepage Journal

    What this boils down to is that the content industry is asking ISPs to do lots of deep analysis of their traffic. That's the problem here. ISPs should have no business looking at the data portion of packets. The proposals here are all about looking at the data portion.

    Yet another argument that everything needs to be encrypted and routed to a single port. You can almost do this with sslh to de-multiplex a port, but some protocols (e.g., IMAP) don't send distinguishing headers immediately when the client connects. Of course, this doesn't stop ISPs from doing packet size and frequency analysis to determine the type of traffic through fingerprinting.

  • The practices of the big media companies dont help matters.
    Many examples where content has its local release (e.g. release into theaters, release on physical media, TV premiere, release on digital services) in a certain country or market delayed for no good reason. I gaurantee that reducing the time between the first release of the content and the release in that particular market will result in less piracy.

    Warner Bros made the decision to delay the Australian release of The LEGO Movie in Australia (worldwi

  • I didn't realize Hollywood still made content people are interested in copying? Its appropriate not to want the internet littered with trash.

  • ...bill gates yelling piracy?

  • The movie people want ISPs to be their quislings and enforce their copyrights for them. Sorry, movie moguls. I don't want ISPs looking at the content of my traffic that they carry at all. Not copyrighted material, not snooping that the police may want them to do, not records that some court may demand that they produce years after the fact. Outside the Internet, these entities are not allowed to spy on me without legal cause and a warrant from a court. There is no reason that they should be able to do

  • This constitutes prior restraint [wikipedia.org] of free speech. Because some subsequent damage might occur, you can't speak. Since this only applies to government censorship, the MPAA will be using some round about methods to get ISPs to 'voluntarily' comply with their wishes.

    In addition, hosting providers should not challenge suspension court orders

    This is really where they step over the line. An ISP defending their customer in an appeal of a questionable order is their right. What the MPAA is doing essentially is threatening witnesses. Their mob roots are showing be even thinking demanding thi

  • and start to figure things out like the music industry has. Streaming / on demand content IS the way forward here.

    Hand first run content to ALL* the streaming services same day it hits theaters. ( Theaters still run it for the nostalgic types )

    *None of this exclusive content bullshit.

    I would happily pay per viewing via one of the streaming services or even a higher subscription rate for this option.

    Keep the price reasonable and most will not even have a reason to pirate it in the first place.

    There exists

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