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UK High Court Blocks Billion-Dollar Privacy Lawsuit Against Google (bbc.com) 43

An anonymous reader quotes a report from the BBC: The High Court has blocked a bid to sue Google for allegedly unlawfully taking data from 4.4 million UK iPhone users. The legal case was mounted by a group called Google You Owe Us, led by former Which director Richard Lloyd. It sought compensation for people whose handsets were tracked by Google for several months in 2011 and 2012. Mr Lloyd said he was "disappointed" by the ruling and his group would appeal, but Google said it was "pleased" and thought the case was "without merit."

Mr Justice Warby who oversaw the case explained that it was blocked because the claims that people suffered damage were not supported by the facts advanced by the campaign group. Another reason for blocking it, he said, was the impossibility of reliably calculating the number of iPhone users affected by the alleged privacy breach. The complaint made by Google You Owe Us alleged that the cookies were used by Google to track people and get around settings on Apple's Safari browser that blocked such monitoring. Ads were sold on the basis of the personal information gathered by Google's cookies. The Safari workaround was used by Google on lots of different devices but the UK case centered on iPhone users. The group hoped to win $1.3 billion in compensation for affected users.

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UK High Court Blocks Billion-Dollar Privacy Lawsuit Against Google

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  • by whoever57 ( 658626 ) on Monday October 08, 2018 @09:38PM (#57448994) Journal

    That's £ibn to you.

    Dollars and pounds may be changeable, but they are not directly interchangeable.

  • Because Big Brother Google loves us all.

    • Interesting... (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      ...SO you can get away with flagrantly breaking the law so long as your victims can't show harm.

      Very good to know.

      • by TRRosen ( 720617 )

        No breaking the law is a criminal issue. This is civil court. there must be some damage that can be fixed.

  • by hcs_$reboot ( 1536101 ) on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @02:03AM (#57449480)
    This is called the legal system, where laws are to be observed. I don't like Google taking/using private data, but otoh, if the "Group" couldn't make their stance clear in court and win, that's not the court fault. Hope they get better prepared for the appeal.
    • Re:So? (Score:4, Interesting)

      by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @04:29AM (#57449698) Homepage Journal

      In this case the law is unsatisfactory. Consider the points on which the claim was rejected.

      The accusers failed to demonstrate harm. I don't know the arguments used, but it is likely difficult to prove the tracking caused any kind of harm. Since there are no punitive damages in UK law, they can only claim for actual losses and thus it's very hard to prevent companies doing this kind of thing.

      Secondly the judge said it was impossible to calculate the number of affected users. Again, this is because UK law doesn't seek to punish, only to put things right, so you can't just point to the fact that Google is very popular and that it's certain a large number of people were affected.

      I don't think it's a good thing that people can get away with this stuff by creating enough uncertainty to make legal challenge impossible. Clearly something wrong was done here, Google aren't even denying it, yet there is no recourse.

    • Laws are observed yes, but where the law is unclear it should be decided in due judicial process in a court, not thrown out beforehand by a judge just because in his personal opinion it doesn't have merit. I suspect he doesn't even fully understand the case since most legal types - especially judges who tend to be somewhat senior in age - are often technologically fairly clueless.

      • If the law is unclear, then the law should be corrected. A judge should not get to arbitrarily change the law to give it meaning.

        How would you feel if the judge made the law "clear" by ruling in Google's favor and setting a precedent for this type of behavior?

        • by Viol8 ( 599362 )

          So better the precedent is set by him throwing the case out before its even been heard? Right, ok, I'm sure you think your logic has argument....

      • by dcw3 ( 649211 )

        While the odds are that you're correct, you might want to check your ageism. There are plenty of senior geeks...I started working on computers in the early 70s.

    • " if the "Group" couldn't make their stance clear in court "

      The couldn't make their stance clear in court because they were not permitted into the court, not because their argument failed.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Wait is this different than someone pirating data or software, music or movies and then being sued by a giant company for anomalous or excessive amounts?

    You took data that wasn't yours

  • by tomxor ( 2379126 ) on Tuesday October 09, 2018 @08:44AM (#57450410)

    because the claims that people suffered damage were not supported by the facts advanced by the campaign group

    Well of course... damage caused by violating certain human rights such as privacy tend to be intangible and not even possible to directly draw causal relationships between, just because you can't easily quantify it in monetary terms doesn't make it invalid or worthless.

  • This is one of the most basic concepts in civil law. In any situation you must be able to establish that you suffered some damage that the court can rectify. Note CIVIL LAW is not the place to punish corporations for bypassing regulations. That is the responsibility of the government under criminal law.

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