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Vice President Mike Pence Says Google Should Halt Dragonfly App Development (reuters.com) 120

On Thursday, the U.S. Vice President Mike Pence weighed in on Dragonfly, a project run by Google to build a censored search engine app for China. He said Dragonfly app would make it easier to track someone's internet searches. From a report: Pence said in a speech that business leaders are now thinking twice before entering the Chinese market "if it means turning over their intellectual property or abetting Beijing's oppression." He added, "More must follow suit. For example, Google should immediately end development of the 'Dragonfly' app that will strengthen Communist Party censorship and compromise the privacy of Chinese customers."
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Vice President Mike Pence Says Google Should Halt Dragonfly App Development

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  • by jd ( 1658 ) <`imipak' `at' `yahoo.com'> on Thursday October 04, 2018 @11:03AM (#57425118) Homepage Journal

    As long as that involves a direct order banning illegal bulk collection of data and weakening of any encryption.

  • by Joe_Dragon ( 2206452 ) on Thursday October 04, 2018 @11:07AM (#57425148)

    and apple should give info to the FBI like they do in China

  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Thursday October 04, 2018 @11:11AM (#57425180)
    rather than any principled stance. I base that on what little I can find on his voting record [ontheissues.org].

    Still, the GOP has been pretty pro-surveillance (not that the Dems have been helping in that regard, even Bernie's voted on the wrong side at times). Still, he's back in line [feelthebern.org]. Maybe Pence is. Does anyone have any recent discussion on Pence's stance on stuff like warrantless wiretapping?
    • by Anonymous Coward

      you're living in the past when CNN were the good guys and the Democrats knew the meaning of the word liberal.

    • >"Still, the GOP has been pretty pro-surveillance (not that the Dems have been helping in that regard"

      The "pro-surveillance" State is very much bi-partisan. Don't try weakening it a bit with the "have not been helping".

    • Still, the GOP has been pretty pro-surveillance (not that the Dems have been helping in that regard, even Bernie's voted on the wrong side at times)

      Awwww...you are so cute with your disingenuous characterization of the Democrats!

      Buddy, please. The Patriot Act passed a Democrat majority Senate with a 98-1 vote and a Republic majority House with 70% of House Democrats voting for it. Then the Democrat golden child President Obama signed two extensions of it into law.

      And you say, "not that the Dems have been helping."

      • the Dems have some stinkers in their party (Pelosi & Schumer especially) but there's a core there that's salvageable. I can't say the same for the GOP.

        That's not blind hate either. I've got pretty solid evidence to back it up. I can't name a single GOP candidate who refuses corporate PAC money. They killed Net Neutrality first chance they got. Their health care system almost killed a buddy of mine who's type-I diabetic (they took away his insulin, literally because they didn't want to pay for it, an
        • And they just let PR twist in the wind for politics.

          I am just going to take a stab in the dark and guess that you do not have any family in Puerto Rico or actually even know anybody there. The problems with Hurricane Maria response were much more to do with problems arising from local politics than with any shortcoming on the part of the federal government.

          • while also following the Trump party line of blaming the local government.

            We're talking about an island of 3 million vs the United States Government. The US Gov'ts response should have dwarfed any mistakes made by local staff. It didn't because, well, we put people in charge who don't believe in government. So they screw it up. Badly. The only reason they didn't screw up in Florida is that's a swing state and nobody fucks with a swing state, so their usual chronyism gets put on the back burner.
            • We're talking about an island of 3 million vs the United States Government. The US Gov'ts response should have dwarfed any mistakes made by local staff. It didn't because, well, we put people in charge who don't believe in government.

              Wow. I don't even understand the mental contortions you put yourself through. You obviously know next to nothing about Puerto Rico, so I will help you out, inform you a bit to help you not be ignorant, and I will recommend that you stop making a fool of yourself.

              The infrastructure in Puerto Rico has been a dumpster fire for decades. Power, roads, everything, except for maybe the areas in around the touristy part of San Juan and the part in and around the Navy base. It has been nothing but local politica

  • Uh huh ... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 04, 2018 @11:22AM (#57425244)

    "More must follow suit. For example, Google should immediately end development of the 'Dragonfly' app that will strengthen Communist Party censorship and compromise the privacy of Chinese customers."

    Uh huh, sure ... all while being required to help with US domestic spying.

    This isn't a stand of principle, this is saying it's OK to be evil for us, but not for someone else.

  • And think they can use it to track his Handmaid's Tale fanfic pr0n searches.

  • A leader belonging to a political party who opposes government rules and Regulations on businesses.
    Is trying to stop a Business from making and selling a product.
    Because the customer is a country that tries to influence companies to make and not make particular products and services.

    So he is either a Hypocrite because he is pushing political pressure on a business while he stands for the idea there is too much political pressure on companies.
    Or he is a Hypocrite because he is trying to use political pressur

    • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 04, 2018 @11:32AM (#57425322)

      Ignoring the politics, do you approve of google working on dragonfly?

      • I am mixed.
        The Chinese people would be better off with it vs without it. However the tight controls in censoring material means they may not be getting all the ideas and experience needed for a fully informed decision, and gives power back into government trying to stop this.

        However I am not a Chinese Citizen, I am an American Citizen. I can sympathize with the Chinese people but with my right to free speech and my ability to vote. I should be able to express when our government is doing something wrong, or

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

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    • Hello,
      this is an adult talking,
      we, the adults, can hold more than 1 thought in our highly advanced brains,
      therefore it's possible to value INDIVIDUAL freedom AND freedom for Businesses and to try to find some practical(REAL-WORLD) status quo.

      best regards!
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    • The party thinks, basically, that Washington politicians too often force people do things, or make things illegal. Republicans generally would oppose a federal law making it a federal crime to hit your thumb with a hammer.

      Most Republicans would suggest that hitting your thumb is a bad idea, and would say you shouldn't do that. I think you should avoid doing that != we should make it a federal crime.

      I think this is a good idea != the federal government should force everybody to do this.

      Pence said Google shou

      • by dryeo ( 100693 )

        The Republicans are quite happy having laws making it a Federal crime to take substances into your body and are once again busy trying to force it to being international law.
        The party of criminalizing health issues is not for personal freedom, or rather is for the personal freedom of some to remove freedom from others.

        • I think the feds should be attuned to the way marijuana is still used as a gateway drug and how the drug cartels from Latin America use marijuana to get footholds in states.
          --

          Some factors increase the risk of substance abuse in those years deserve emphasis. Casual attitudes toward marijuana and minorsâ(TM) access to cigarettes raise the likelihood that teenagers will make a sad progression from cigarettes to marijuana to more serious drug use and earlier sexual activity
          --

          I donâ(TM)t think that you

  • Orange Alert! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by PopeRatzo ( 965947 ) on Thursday October 04, 2018 @11:26AM (#57425278) Journal

    I wonder how Pence feels about technology that would allow a political leader to push instant messages onto every single cellular device, allowing citizens no ability to opt out.

    But since he supported giving electro-shock to homosexuals to "cure" them, I think we have a pretty good idea.

    • by Tablizer ( 95088 )

      "If this alert were from a real President, you would have received further instructions on..."

    • Re: (Score:1, Flamebait)

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      • Is it really any different than the usual AC spam on any given story? It's not even unique to Trump since there were 8 years of the same kind of stuff while Obama was president. At least he's willing to tie his account to it so someone can make it easier to ignore him if they want to, which is more than you can say of most AC's that post even worse crap on a regular basis.
        • Comment removed based on user account deletion
          • Be honest. No matter what he does, you'll find a way to shit on him.

            To be fair, I don't always shit on Trump. Sometimes, I just laugh, and sometimes I shrug ruefully. But don't worry, a day will come when Trump is gone and I'll still be here. Then we can go back to dick jokes and ragging on systemd.

            I wonder who mods him up sometimes,

            You don't have to wonder. I have been voted the most-beloved commenter on Slashdot seven years running now. You can look it up. I get great reviews, and my inauguration wa

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Seriously, they just don't.

    They'll happily fork all their email over to Google, let Facebook mine the everloving shit out of their lives, run everybody's tracking scripts all around the web, put an Amazon Alexa in their bedroom, and install spyware on their phones in exchange for a $0.50 discount on coffee.

    Snowden came along and showed them how much was being collected of their communications, but what did they do? They went right along supporting the companies cooperating with the NSA. They went right al

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Shut up and give me my pumpkin spice latte!

  • Cant have Google do what the Gov wants to do.
  • Since when is the US government against tracking of users on the internet. If that were the case they would discontinue their Facebook site.

  • by turp182 ( 1020263 ) on Thursday October 04, 2018 @11:41AM (#57425366) Journal

    Saudi Arabia scores considerably lower when it comes to freedom than China (by aggregate score):
    https://freedomhouse.org/repor... [freedomhouse.org]

    I mean, women were just allowed to drive in 2018:
    https://www.npr.org/2018/06/24... [npr.org]

    But they are a favored trade partner focusing on two way oil for weapons deals.

    So we arm nations that oppress their citizens more than China. In 2017, Trump signed a $110 billion military sale agreement with Saudi Arabia:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

    What's this about internet censorship? Oh, Saudi Arabia used Secure Computing, a US corporation, to manage country wide internet monitoring and filtering, not just search.

    But oil (and our incessant fear of Iran)...

  • If Google doesn't build their Censor-A-Matic, some other non-US company will likely fill that niche. How is that better? The Chinese gov't will get their desired censorship engines one way or another because they want it and they control China.

  • by CaptainDork ( 3678879 ) on Thursday October 04, 2018 @11:44AM (#57425390)

    ... and compromise the privacy of Chinese customers."

    WHAT ABOUT AMERICA FIRST?

  • Pence voted for the Patriot Act. That tells me all I have to know about his concerns over privacy.

    I basically consider everyone who voted for it a criminal. I know they'll never be prosecuted for such an action but I can at least sentence them to life without my vote. This includes Hillary (but not Bernie.)
  • Google's involvement with catering to China's oppressive regulations only underscores their hypocrisy. They try to beat the drum of moral virtue and social justice at home, but they're willing to sell out freedom abroad to make a buck. Google, as huge as they are and as pervasive as their services have become, is missing out on a golden opportunity to take a stand and do something about real life actual tyranny but rather than risking some profit, they'd prefer to sell out abroad and just play along crying
    • At times like this I just recall that McDonald's mascot is a fun loving clown, while the company itself is a conducer for industrial-scale meat production. Walmart's logo is a big yellow smiley face, and Amazon's logo is similarly cheerful, while many of their employees are on food stamps.

      Google needs marking just like every other major corporation that's full of disingenuous suits and MBAs, so there's the source of the virtue signaling. Putting a happy face on surveillance and censorship capitalism was

  • by Seven Spirals ( 4924941 ) on Thursday October 04, 2018 @03:18PM (#57426998)
    DragonflyBSD is cool. I hate how Google likes to take names from other projects without even looking. Then they do some kind of shitty manuever like this and folks think "That sucks!" Well, DragonflyBSD doesn't suck. It's HAMMER file system is very functional and has cutting edge features.

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