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Seattle Police Department Is Offering An Anti-Swatting Service (arstechnica.com) 106

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: The practice of "swatting," or calling in fake threats to activate an aggressive police response to an unwitting home or business, has unfortunately lingered for the past few years. Starting this week, one police department in the United States is rolling out a system targeted directly at this illegal hoax practice. On its official "swatting" resource site, the Seattle Police Department acknowledges how swatting works, along with the fact that citizens have requested a way to submit their own concerns or worries about being a potential victim. "To our knowledge, no solution to this problem existed, so we engineered one," SPD's site reads. The site claims that swatting victims are "typically associated with the tech industry, video game industry, and/or the online broadcasting community."

SPD's process asks citizens to create a profile on a third-party data-management service called Rave Facility (run by the company Smart911). Though this service is advertised for public locations and businesses, it supports private residences as well, and SPD offers steps to input data and add a "swatting concerns" tab to your profile. With that information in hand, SPD says that any police or 911 operator who receives a particularly troubling emergency report and matches it to a location that has already been flagged with a "swatting concerns" notice, will share that information "with first responders to inform and improve their police response to the incident."
The report notes that "all calls" will still receive standard police response, whether or not any swatting concerns are filed. "Nothing about this solution is designed to minimize or slow emergency services," the site reads. "At the same time, if information is available, it is more useful for responding officers to have it than to not."
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Seattle Police Department Is Offering An Anti-Swatting Service

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 01, 2018 @10:39PM (#57408652)

    Not sure why we have to opt out, but at least it's better than being dead. I think it might help if cops lived in the real world and took a step back once in a while and realize we are not Iraq.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Swatting doesn't happen because the police bring WMDs for a drug arrest.
      It happens because evil people lie and say that something that justifies a huge response is really going on.

      • by JaredOfEuropa ( 526365 ) on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @01:31AM (#57408952) Journal
        That last swatting incident (well, I do hope there haven't been any since) absolutely did not warrant a huge response in the form of massive presence of police with weapons at the ready, nor did it in any way shape or form warrant the officers opening fire on the guy. GP is absolutely right that police officers would do well to realize they are "not in Iraq", and that they are dealing with citizens who are at most suspected of wrongdoing. And as long as they are merely suspect, they deserve to be treated courteously and not end up dead.

        Given the MO of police in the USA, I seriously doubt that this anti swatting database is going to make any difference.
        • Uhhh... Many Americans are armed better than the random insurgent with just one gun...

          I can't blame the American police force for going overboard occasionally.

          • by Anonymous Coward

            Oh Fritz, Fritz, Fritz... just because Americans (outside our major cities) still hold the full rights of citizenship... doesn't mean we're all armed to the teeth like Rambo. You really need to get out of your Hollywood movie fantasy world. Maybe, you know, travel a little...

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      • by Anonymous Coward

        "something that justifies a huge response is really going on"

        It's probably not. Cordon off the block and negotiate. There's almost never a reason to burst into a house in a city with military level force... except that it gives the cops doing it boners.

        SWAT is fucking bullshit. Serve warrants. Make arrests. You don't need to throw grenades. It's retarded.

        • Let's walk through your "cordone off the block suggestion" and you tell me what you think the cops should exactly. I'm not sure there is such an easy solution that is appropriate both if the call is true and if it's completely false. Which isn't to excuse officers who screwed up; I just don't see a simple, easy solution that actually makes sense. Randomly choosing the Barriss example, they get a 911 call saying:

          --
          he shot his father in the head, his father wasn't breathing, he was holding his mother

          • by Anonymous Coward

            Oooo Oooo Oooo! I know this one!

            You bust the door down, guns blazing, dropping ANYBODY that moves, including pets. You continue to clear the house until the environment is fully controlled. Then you ascertain the situation. This is also known as "shoot first, ask questions later", but that is over-simplified. God will sort them out, just GIT ER DUN!

          • by kbg ( 241421 )

            It's simple. Anyone who calls in swatting gets 30 years in prison. Problem solved.

          • It seems very difficult to me to come up with procedures that both make sense for handling a psycho who is already shooting people (if the call is true) and also make sense for a swatting call.

            We could compare the frequency of the events. If false reports are much more frequent than a TV-plot psycho, police should respond more cautiously even though it will occasionally prevent them from being TV-plot heros who save everybody from the psycho.

            • That's a very interesting thought. I would suspect that swatting of this nature AND true calls that sound similar to swatting are both pretty infrequent. It might indeed be very useful to know the comparative frequency. That would give us the a priori probably that a given call is indeed factual.

              I third category would be a crazy person claiming hostages that don't exist or otherwise misrepresenting a scenario that actually is dangerous, such as in a suicide by cop situation.

      • by Agripa ( 139780 )

        Swatting doesn't happen because the police bring WMDs for a drug arrest.
        It happens because evil people lie and say that something that justifies a huge response is really going on.

        Does it happen because law enforcement's rules of engagement encourage killing an unarmed and nonthreatening man in his doorway? And what prompted those rule of engagement? Was it the drug war?

    • I think the problem is that police officers think they're in Iraq, but have absolutely no training to act like they actually are. It might actually help us if police officers had been in Iraq.

      Military trained officers actually are less trigger happy and less panicky because they know how to deal with situations minute by minute, and aren't thinking that some idiot with a knife is going to be able to kill them: https://www.npr.org/2016/12/08... [npr.org]
    • You would never know if from the hype Law Enforcement put out, but they aren't even in the top ten most dangerous occupations.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupational_fatality#/media/File:Selected_occupations_with_high_fatality_rate.png

  • Sounds like a better use for fedbook.net.
  • It's an interesting idea but it would be much more effective if getting swatted were opt-in rather than opt-out.

    What's next, getting-hit-on-the-head lessons [youtu.be]?

    • it would be much more effective if getting swatted were opt-in rather than opt-out.

      Until an abusive spouse puts the house on the "do not react" list, and the next times things get physical...

      • Great username. You didn't even read the summary.

        The report notes that "all calls" will still receive standard police response, whether or not any swatting concerns are filed. "Nothing about this solution is designed to minimize or slow emergency services," the site reads. "At the same time, if information is available, it is more useful for responding officers to have it than to not."

        • by flink ( 18449 )

          Great username. You didn't even read the summary.

          The report notes that "all calls" will still receive standard police response, whether or not any swatting concerns are filed. "Nothing about this solution is designed to minimize or slow emergency services," the site reads. "At the same time, if information is available, it is more useful for responding officers to have it than to not."

          How about the police just consider being more measured in their response everywhere instead of sending a paramilitary force into citizens' homes with guns drawn. We shouldn't have to opt out of getting shot in our own home by a guy with a shield and a ski mask.

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  • Heres a novel idea: (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 01, 2018 @11:20PM (#57408744)

    How about SPD assume that everyone is worried about SWATTING and behave accordingly.

  • Wrong answer (Score:5, Interesting)

    by LostOne ( 51301 ) on Monday October 01, 2018 @11:22PM (#57408752) Homepage

    Or the police could actually respond with someone who actually, I don't know, investigates the report *before* sending in a paramilitary force? I mean, it seems like getting some Mark I eyeballs on a scene first would prevent pretty much every case of SWATing. That doesn't mean that the SWAT people don't go out to the location. Only that they do not deploy as the *first* option before there are any eyeballs on the scene.

    • That doesn't mean that the SWAT people don't go out to the location. Only that they do not deploy as the *first* option before there are any eyeballs on the scene.

      What and have them give up an opportunity to play soldier? Good luck with that! -_-

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    • by jonwil ( 467024 )

      The problem with your idea is that by the time someone has seen what's going on and decided that the guys with the big guns are in fact needed, the bad guys inside might have a chance to escape via their secret escape tunnel or be ready to defend themselves with some help from Mr Smith and Mr Wesson. (or something bigger than that)

      Catching the criminals by surprise may be the only way to prevent an escape, an attack on law enforcement or destruction of evidence.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        seriously? "escape tunnel"

        I'm guessing that about .00001% of criminals has one of those.

        As for S&W-- barricade and negotiate.

  • by mentil ( 1748130 ) on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @12:35AM (#57408840)

    The report notes that "all calls" will still receive standard police response, whether or not any swatting concerns are filed.

    So they'll still break down the wrong door, flashbang your baby, and charge you with assault/murder if you try and defend yourself from the shouting armed intruders.
    This also does nothing if the swatters get the address of their target wrong. That said, it's a tiny step forward, that the Seattle PD is even acknowledging swatting might be a problem.

  • by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @12:39AM (#57408852)
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  • The extra checks for the "swatting concerns" flag should be the default checks the cops do before responding. For a medical emergency for instance there's no need for an armed response. If there's a threat of violence the one thing you don't want to do right off is an armed, forced entry, you start by doing recon on the target to figure out what's currently going on before deciding on tactics which if it's a false call will give plenty of opportunity to establish that there's no current apparent threat of v

    • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

      The extra checks for the "swatting concerns" flag should be the default checks the cops do before responding. For a medical emergency for instance there's no need for an armed response. If there's a threat of violence the one thing you don't want to do right off is an armed, forced entry, you start by doing recon on the target to figure out what's currently going on before deciding on tactics which if it's a false call will give plenty of opportunity to establish that there's no current apparent threat of v

      • Except swatting calls aren't typically "I see a guy holding an AR-15 at some woman in the window". They're more like "A guy with a several AR-15s and shotguns just ran into a house and is I can hear shots, WHY AREN'T YOU SENDING ANYONE OVER OMG A BULLET JUST HIT MY HOUSE!".

        Then there's going to be gunshots going off which will tell the recon people that this isn't a false alarm, no? Shouldn't take long to assess that situation and tell the SWAT guys it's a go. On the other hand if you receive a call like t

  • by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @01:48AM (#57408984)

    I do wonder if this Do Not Shoot list will be as effective as a Do Not Call list. I mean they could try not running in guns akimbo in the first place, but apparently this American specific problem has no solution.

  • The problem with this solution is that he "swatting concern" database is open for anyone to edit, therefore a completely untrusted source of information. Is it really better for the responders to have such untrusted information which anyone can manipulate? What exactly will they do differently when responding to an address in the database? If nothing, then why bother them with the information?

    If this was a secured database where only trusted sources can access it, for example police knowing a residence has

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Imagine a modified Apple Watch that, once unlocked (with one of two passcodes) and if not removed from the body since unlocking, could be sent a signal and then heat up (only against the skin) or be sent a signal to trigger small electric shock that only the wearer could feel.

    Use Case:

    -Police receive hostage call from âoestreamerâ
    -Police begin response, but also send a shock to the Apple Watch
    -If criminal scum are in the streamerâ(TM)s house, they wonâ(TM)t know of the shock nor have any

  • Just want to point out that I work for Rave Mobile Safety and Smart911 is a product, not the name of the company.

  • Do I have to renew it every few years, like the Do Not Call list?

    And do the swatters get access to the list, like the Do Not Call list?

  • by QuietLagoon ( 813062 ) on Tuesday October 02, 2018 @07:19AM (#57409778)

    ...share that information "with first responders to inform and improve their police response to the incident."

    Shouldn't such improvements in response be the norm, not the outlier?

  • The press release will claim that nobody could have predicted that the system would be abused by criminals, registering as their intended victims, to plant trigger words in order to cause our brave first responders to overreact.

    It's blatantly obvious. This does nothing to fix the underlying problems.

  • I appreciate that the Seattle PD is trying to do *something* to fix this problem, but their solution would likely not have saved the life of swatting victim Andrew Finch. Finch was murdered by Officer Justin Rapp who will face no consequences for his actions. The idiot who made the swatting call has at least been charged, but the trigger man got a pass.

    Finch wasn't a gamer and had no reason to believe he was at risk for swatting. He died because he twitched the wrong way when he was startled at the front

  • We need to use stronger language here. Some perpetrators of swatting do not understand the gravity, the fact that people die in some of these incidents.

    This isn't a "hoax". This is a potentially fatal attack by proxy.

    I applaud the Seattle police for trying to be proactive on this. This service will save lives.

  • Let me make sure I understand. If I register in this database then the police will actually check to see if I'm a danger to myself or others before shooting me?

    America, we have a problem.

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